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Transwarp drive core for the excelsior we payed for please

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  • bluegrassgeekbluegrassgeek Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shredder75 wrote: »
    He's referring to the power level boost of the Retrofit, which you won't find on your character sheet since it'll be your power levels in system space.

    Effectively, the Retrofit gets +12.6 to Weapons, Shields, Engines and Aux instead of the usual +5.

    Ah! Gotcha, misunderstood which one he was referring to.
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  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shredder75 wrote: »
    He's referring to the power level boost of the Retrofit, which you won't find on your character sheet since it'll be your power levels in system space.

    Effectively, the Retrofit gets +12.6 to Weapons, Shields, Engines and Aux instead of the usual +5.

    No it does not, test the thing in space and see before stating otherwise. the bonus power skills DO NOT WORK on the excelsior, they haven't since they removed the console that gave them.

    They never updated the c-store description to reflect this, and still falsely advertise that you do get these extra powers when you in fact do not.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No it does not, test the thing in space and see before stating otherwise. the bonus power skills DO NOT WORK on the excelsior, they haven't since they removed the console that gave them.

    They never updated the c-store description to reflect this, and still falsely advertise that you do get these extra powers when you in fact do not.
    But that's exactly why it's a bug: it's supposed to, being an innate ship ability now, and therefore must be reported (then fixed eventually)
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    trek21 wrote: »
    But that's exactly why it's a bug: it's supposed to, and therefore must be reported (then fixed eventually)

    which leads back to my statement that people have been reporting this for a year + and they ignore it, they don't want to fix it.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The power bonus was never meant to become innate.

    When they moved the transwarps to the console, people flipped out. So they added the bonus to the console as a payback for the lost slot, and people still didn't like it, because it wasn't broke and didn't need fixing. So Cryptic went back to how it was originally. No console, no payback for losing the slot to the console.

    The "bug" is in the C-store description.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    which leads back to my statement that people have been reporting this for a year + and they ignore it, they don't want to fix it.
    Don't want to? Right... as if we really know what the devs do and don't want to do :rolleyes:

    Besides, another reason bugs go unfixed is that they either haven't gotten to them yet, or they don't know how, or both. This particular bug could just as easily be one of those as not
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    trek21 wrote: »
    Don't want to? Right... as if we really know what the devs do and don't want to do :rolleyes:

    Besides, another reason bugs go unfixed is that they either haven't gotten to them yet, or they don't know how, or both. This particular bug could just as easily be one of those as not

    The fact they have fixed other broken c-store ship stats like incorrect stats, broken powers etc sometimes within days of being reported, while this one has been around for over a year and reported numerous times.

    They have shown a priority in fixing things that cost real $ in the past, but not in this case which makes one think they seem to lean in that direction.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The fact they have fixed other broken c-store ship stats like incorrect stats, broken powers etc sometimes within days of being reported, while this one has been around for over a year and reported numerous times.

    They have shown a priority in fixing things that cost real $ in the past, but not in this case which makes one think they seem to lean in that direction.
    Well of course: they're a business first off, and issues with items that cost money are priority by many standards. Did you really expect anything different?
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    trek21 wrote: »
    Well of course: they're a business first off, and issues with items that cost money are priority by many standards. Did you really expect anything different?

    your missing the point, the excelsior does cost money, so it should be included in that priority but it has been ignored for over a year I highly doubt the bug is so complex they need a year to figure it out.

    Which leads back to the fact they don't care, it is very very low on their list of things to do.


    if this was a new c-store ship, and they claimed it came with these powers, or a console, or something else special and in fact did not, people would be up in arms. the fact the ship is so old and everyone who wanted one probably has it by now, they don't care.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    your missing the point, the excelsior does cost money, so it should be included in that priority but it has been ignored for over a year I highly doubt the bug is so complex they need a year to figure it out.

    Which leads back to the fact they don't care, it is very very low on their list of things to do.


    if this was a new c-store ship, and they claimed it came with these powers, or a console, or something else special and in fact did not, people would be up in arms. the fact the ship is so old and everyone who wanted one probably has it by now, they don't care.
    It's a bit harsh to call a single little issue like this proof that they don't care about fixing bugs.

    And like I said, they have priorities to sort out, orders to do this and that, etc etc... for all we know, they haven't been able to touch the Excelsior bug because of that. And I've seen cases where seemingly simple bugs required some time to track down, much less fix (or try to fix).

    The Excelsior probably hasn't gotten attention because at this point, most people have it (whether in use or simply owned) and sales for it are low... and therefore, the priority is automatically lowered. At least I think that's the case
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    trek21 wrote: »
    Even if they didn't care, is it really such an issue to be up-in-arms about? I certainly don't think so

    And like I said, they have priorities to sort out, orders to do this and that, etc etc... for all we know, they haven't been able to touch the Excelsior bug because of that. And I've seen cases where seemingly simple bugs required some time to track down, much less fix (or try to fix).

    The Excelsior probably hasn't gotten attention because at this point, most people have it (whether in use or simply owned) and sales for it are low... and therefore, the priority is automatically lowered. At least I think that's the case

    It's called false advertising, you pay for something except to get it, but then it's different after you open it up.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's called false advertising, you pay for something except to get it, but then it's different after you open it up.
    I know what it is, thanks. And I'm okay with that, personally ;)

    But really, I don't see it as false advertising. thecosmic1 said it for me though
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's called false advertising, you pay for something except to get it, but then it's different after you open it up.
    No, it's called having the right to change any aspect of the game at any time when they deem it necessary. It's something we all agree to when we sign-on to play the game.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    The only bug is the description.

    Looking at the ship and the equivalent Assault Cruiser I see similar base stats, neither have a console and both have the exact same number of consoles.

    IF they added those bonus something would have to go and I am sure it wouldnt just be one console slot.

    The "equivalent" Assault Cruiser is the Regent with not one but two specials: the wide-angle torpedo and the Riker Maneuver console.

    Shapeywhelm is absolutely correct. This is not a new bug that they don't know about.

    Either the description is wrong or the ship is bugged, to claim that nothing is wrong is absurd. And since the ship originally carried the stats that are advertised in its description, it is what needs to be fixed.
  • bluegrassgeekbluegrassgeek Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Either the description is wrong or the ship is bugged, to claim that nothing is wrong is absurd.

    Good thing no one claimed that, then.
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    Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The Excelsior always had a traditional Matter/Anti-Matter warp core. Its transwarp abilities were tied into new ways of forming a warp field managed by the transwarp computer. It had no special warp core though.
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