The subtext of this entire thread is that, with Romulans being able to ally to the Feds, Klinks are now going to be on the receiving end of a lot of the same TRIBBLE they've been doing to the Feds with impunity and they don't like it.
Actually yes and no, to this as well. The BoP is designed for dogpile tactics of decloaking, attacking and escaping into cloak while another BoP in the squad decloaks, attacks and escapes into cloak to be followed by yet another BoP doing the same.
BoPs can alpha strike well and those masters of the BoP can do it very well, but the BoP is best played as part of a 3-man team to gang-up on a single target.
And then get insulted for not fighting like an escort :P
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Fed ships in general have worse turn rates than Klingon or Romulan. At least in SFB. No idea if SFB is considered 'factual' for the space combat in STO, but it seems that way.
So maybe it wasn't about 'fun', but instead about keeping the differences between the races/factions intact.
Just a thought.
Federation escorts have slightly higher turnrates and effectiveness than KDF raptors and destroyers (with the exception of the Fleet Scourge). Federation science ships are more maneuverable than the KDF 'science ships', with the exception of the BoPs (which are more of a makeshift sci ship than an official one). Feds also have an escort carrier with the turnrate of an escort. I'd say it mostly balances out.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
The b'rel retrofit should have that fire torps while cloaked removed. 1 of the worse abilities in the game. If that so called 'special' was exchanged for something more beneficial. Like extra hull, shield, extra aft weapon slot. Anything it would improve that bop greatly
Yeah, remove the one thing that really differentiates the B'rel retro from the free Tier 5 Hegh'ta. Brilliant. Any more bright ideas?
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
The subtext of this entire thread is that, with Romulans being able to ally to the Feds, Klinks are now going to be on the receiving end of a lot of the same TRIBBLE they've been doing to the Feds with impunity and they don't like it.
No, see, all we have to do is adopt the setups we know will decloak people effectively, or keep them from cloaking. We don't need to complain about cloaks like Feddies, we know the weaknesses. Adapt or die.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Except this thread is about Klingon whine, not Fed whine.
Honestly, KDF needs to shake off this victim mentality. It was warranted at launch, but almost every season has been all about KDF updates. You don't get to complain anymore.
The subtext of this entire thread is that, with Romulans being able to ally to the Feds, Klinks are now going to be on the receiving end of a lot of the same TRIBBLE they've been doing to the Feds with impunity and they don't like it.
Funny. The OP is about his belief the BoP is UP and most of the KDF player responses to this belief is that he is mistaken.
Only the trollers coming into it have steered the thread into the a "KDF whine" direction they want others to believe is true.
Or at least thats how Im seeing it.
The subtext of this entire thread is that, with Romulans being able to ally to the Feds, Klinks are now going to be on the receiving end of a lot of the same TRIBBLE they've been doing to the Feds with impunity and they don't like it.
Not the subtext at all. Most experienced KDF fans could care less about Romulan cloaking or the Fromulans that is as we have long said cloaking is an advantage, yes, an IWin , no.
So I am really curiuos where you get your subtext from and if its more in your mind and o your heart to just stir the ****tepile for your on jollies more than a honest observation
Except this thread is about Klingon whine, not Fed whine.
Honestly, KDF needs to shake off this victim mentality. It was warranted at launch, but almost every season has been all about KDF updates. You don't get to complain anymore.
The only poster trying to propogate the so called "victom mentality" is you. I have yet to see it rear its head in this thread.
You did read the thread, right?
Not just jump in and start trolling the KDF in your blind dislike for them?
For almost 4 years Feds are now trying to get their cruisers an decent turn rate, not better than klingons but decent. And every. single. time. klinkers come and blabber on about why their cruisers should remain the only fun ones and that fed should stfu.
Now here is a bunch of klingons complaining that their cloak is **** compared to the romulans cloak....
ahh..... karma....
Whom? Most KDF are not upset about the Romulans having better cloaking at all.
And then get insulted for not fighting like an escort :P
Grethors fiery pits. The feds would insult us even if we offered them pie and icecream under a banner of cosmic peace. Even though they claim to follow terance and claim to see the vision of thier Great Bird of the galaxy, they display more hate and intolerance than any other species I have ever read or seen in any Science fiction setting.
Or maybe its just the fans. As many of the characters created in the IP have far better moral fiber and conviction of civility than most I seen here in these forums.
At least when I play to the method acting of being a easy to anger and often irritated, untrusting Klingon I am remaining somewhat true to how Klingons can be before one gets to know them. When I see feds acting the intolerant TRIBBLE, its them moving counter to the ideals they preach as what makes them better, in thier own eyes, to everybody else.
Much like Hens teeth the fed thats true to the ideology they preach is very rare. In light of how many like to spread TRIBBLE for fun, very rare indeed.
Funny. The OP is about his belief the BoP is UP and most of the KDF player responses to this belief is that he is mistaken.
Only the trollers coming into it have steered the thread into the a "KDF whine" direction they want others to believe is true.
Or at least thats how Im seeing it.
Not UP, not OP, and hell'a fun!
I think its one of the most balanced and diverse ships in game, though 95% of the players dont use it properly or mis-abuse it.
I think its one of the most balanced and diverse ships in game, though 95% of the players dont use it properly or mis-abuse it.
As do I and have feared its obselence in the past in the light of the new vessel put into the game. A fear that has been and is still unfounded.
Of anything the OP sounds like his belief comes from a place of inexperience. With time he too should see the BoP for what it is and what you and many already know.
Yeah, remove the one thing that really differentiates the B'rel retro from the free Tier 5 Hegh'ta. Brilliant. Any more bright ideas?
A 1 off ability used once in a movie is meant to be the major difference in picking that ship? Well that alone just shows how bad the concept actually is. oh and we all know what happened to that ship ....
The b'rel retrofit should have that fire torps while cloaked removed. 1 of the worse abilities in the game. If that so called 'special' was exchanged for something more beneficial. Like extra hull, shield, extra aft weapon slot. Anything it would improve that bop greatly
A 1 off ability used once in a movie is meant to be the major difference in picking that ship? Well that alone just shows how bad the concept actually is. oh and we all know what happened to that ship ....
Let me see if I get this right.....so, basically you want a K'Vort??
A 1 off ability used once in a movie is meant to be the major difference in picking that ship? Well that alone just shows how bad the concept actually is. oh and we all know what happened to that ship ....
And yet we have a once destroyed but now ressurected Cloaking defiant and the AGT galaxy from another timeline.... Why would the UdC BoP be unworthy of existance?
Its a fine vessel that one must buy to use. If you do not like it, do not buy, do not use it.
Problem solved.
The B'rel BoP needs to have extra health or have extra console slots. The very reason it has low HP is simply because of the advanced battle cloak. If I fire off a full alpha strike on a fed, it hardly makes a dent. So I have to wait for the time when their is a hole in their shield before I think about attacking.
The second problem is all the counter measures used against cloaked vessels. Sometimes I think it is pointless flying around with a cloak, because its not too long before someone disables it.
Those 'die hard' fed players who think that a B'rel has an OP advantage, believe me, it hasn't.
The B'rel BoP needs to have extra health or have extra console slots. The very reason it has low HP is simply because of the advanced battle cloak. If I fire off a full alpha strike on a fed, it hardly makes a dent. So I have to wait for the time when their is a hole in their shield before I think about attacking.
The second problem is all the counter measures used against cloaked vessels. Sometimes I think it is pointless flying around with a cloak, because its not too long before someone disables it.
Those 'die hard' fed players who think that a B'rel has an OP advantage, believe me, it hasn't.
That and the fastest turn rate and universal slots for the bop. It has more than just a bc. I think it is well balanced for its job.
Let me see if I get this right.....so, basically you want a K'Vort??
maybe I do. since it would be a cool looking. do what other bops do and be a lot tougher than the b'rel we know. heck my vo'quv bops last longer some times.
And yet we have a once destroyed but now ressurected Cloaking defiant and the AGT galaxy from another timeline.... Why would the UdC BoP be unworthy of existance?
Its a fine vessel that one must buy to use. If you do not like it, do not buy, do not use it.
Problem solved.
don't get me wrong tho. I like the b'rel, well almost. it just hasn't got the guts it should have. if you look at other ships with specials, they are consoles. maybe the b'rel would have been better off with an enhanced cloak console. that way the ship it's self wouldn't have a handicap as just a ship. all other ships have the trade offs based on the ability/special using console slot up and that's optional. the b'rels trade off are on the actual ship itself.
maybe I do. since it would be a cool looking. do what other bops do and be a lot tougher than the b'rel we know. heck my vo'quv bops last longer some times.
don't get me wrong tho. I like the b'rel, well almost. it just hasn't got the guts it should have. if you look at other ships with specials, they are consoles. maybe the b'rel would have been better off with an enhanced cloak console. that way the ship it's self wouldn't have a handicap as just a ship. all other ships have the trade offs based on the ability/special using console slot up and that's optional. the b'rels trade off are on the actual ship itself.
Cloaking is not a special onthe BoPs, even the Chang BoP. Cloaking is a given as all BoPs have battle cloak. Cloaking is built into its design as a raider class vessel, as the bulk of KDF are so designed in fact. Thats why cloaking is not a console for the KDF.
As a balancer for a battle cloak and Uslots the BoPs suffer in hull and shields.
Cloaking is not a special onthe BoPs, even the Chang BoP. Cloaking is a given as all BoPs have battle cloak. Cloaking is built into its design as a raider class vessel, as the bulk of KDF are so designed in fact. Thats why cloaking is not a console for the KDF.
As a balancer for a battle cloak and Uslots the BoPs suffer in hull and shields.
I wasn't actually talking about cloak and battle cloak. I was referring to the ability to fire torps while cloaked, which the b'rel has.
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A shame then that you posted in the general discussion forum rather than PvP.
And then get insulted for not fighting like an escort :P
Federation escorts have slightly higher turnrates and effectiveness than KDF raptors and destroyers (with the exception of the Fleet Scourge). Federation science ships are more maneuverable than the KDF 'science ships', with the exception of the BoPs (which are more of a makeshift sci ship than an official one). Feds also have an escort carrier with the turnrate of an escort. I'd say it mostly balances out.
Yeah, remove the one thing that really differentiates the B'rel retro from the free Tier 5 Hegh'ta. Brilliant. Any more bright ideas?
No, see, all we have to do is adopt the setups we know will decloak people effectively, or keep them from cloaking. We don't need to complain about cloaks like Feddies, we know the weaknesses. Adapt or die.
Honestly, KDF needs to shake off this victim mentality. It was warranted at launch, but almost every season has been all about KDF updates. You don't get to complain anymore.
Funny. The OP is about his belief the BoP is UP and most of the KDF player responses to this belief is that he is mistaken.
Only the trollers coming into it have steered the thread into the a "KDF whine" direction they want others to believe is true.
Or at least thats how Im seeing it.
R.I.P
Not the subtext at all. Most experienced KDF fans could care less about Romulan cloaking or the Fromulans that is as we have long said cloaking is an advantage, yes, an IWin , no.
So I am really curiuos where you get your subtext from and if its more in your mind and o your heart to just stir the ****tepile for your on jollies more than a honest observation
R.I.P
The only poster trying to propogate the so called "victom mentality" is you. I have yet to see it rear its head in this thread.
You did read the thread, right?
Not just jump in and start trolling the KDF in your blind dislike for them?
R.I.P
R.I.P
Grethors fiery pits. The feds would insult us even if we offered them pie and icecream under a banner of cosmic peace. Even though they claim to follow terance and claim to see the vision of thier Great Bird of the galaxy, they display more hate and intolerance than any other species I have ever read or seen in any Science fiction setting.
Or maybe its just the fans. As many of the characters created in the IP have far better moral fiber and conviction of civility than most I seen here in these forums.
At least when I play to the method acting of being a easy to anger and often irritated, untrusting Klingon I am remaining somewhat true to how Klingons can be before one gets to know them. When I see feds acting the intolerant TRIBBLE, its them moving counter to the ideals they preach as what makes them better, in thier own eyes, to everybody else.
Much like Hens teeth the fed thats true to the ideology they preach is very rare. In light of how many like to spread TRIBBLE for fun, very rare indeed.
R.I.P
Not UP, not OP, and hell'a fun!
I think its one of the most balanced and diverse ships in game, though 95% of the players dont use it properly or mis-abuse it.
As do I and have feared its obselence in the past in the light of the new vessel put into the game. A fear that has been and is still unfounded.
Of anything the OP sounds like his belief comes from a place of inexperience. With time he too should see the BoP for what it is and what you and many already know.
R.I.P
A 1 off ability used once in a movie is meant to be the major difference in picking that ship? Well that alone just shows how bad the concept actually is. oh and we all know what happened to that ship ....
Let me see if I get this right.....so, basically you want a K'Vort??
And yet we have a once destroyed but now ressurected Cloaking defiant and the AGT galaxy from another timeline.... Why would the UdC BoP be unworthy of existance?
Its a fine vessel that one must buy to use. If you do not like it, do not buy, do not use it.
Problem solved.
R.I.P
The second problem is all the counter measures used against cloaked vessels. Sometimes I think it is pointless flying around with a cloak, because its not too long before someone disables it.
Those 'die hard' fed players who think that a B'rel has an OP advantage, believe me, it hasn't.
That and the fastest turn rate and universal slots for the bop. It has more than just a bc. I think it is well balanced for its job.
maybe I do. since it would be a cool looking. do what other bops do and be a lot tougher than the b'rel we know. heck my vo'quv bops last longer some times.
don't get me wrong tho. I like the b'rel, well almost. it just hasn't got the guts it should have. if you look at other ships with specials, they are consoles. maybe the b'rel would have been better off with an enhanced cloak console. that way the ship it's self wouldn't have a handicap as just a ship. all other ships have the trade offs based on the ability/special using console slot up and that's optional. the b'rels trade off are on the actual ship itself.
Cloaking is not a special onthe BoPs, even the Chang BoP. Cloaking is a given as all BoPs have battle cloak. Cloaking is built into its design as a raider class vessel, as the bulk of KDF are so designed in fact. Thats why cloaking is not a console for the KDF.
As a balancer for a battle cloak and Uslots the BoPs suffer in hull and shields.
R.I.P
I wasn't actually talking about cloak and battle cloak. I was referring to the ability to fire torps while cloaked, which the b'rel has.