The change adds a single newly available Tac ability.
The change removes 20 previously available Lt abilities.
With the promotion of the Lt to LCdr, you gain: Attack Pattern Omega I
With the demotion of the Lt to En, you lose: Attack Pattern Beta I
Attack Pattern Delta I
Cannon Rapid Fire I
Cannon Scatter Valley I
Dispersal Pattern Alpha I
Dispersal Pattern Beta I Auxiliary to Battery I
Auxiliary to Dampeners I
Auxiliary to Structural Integrity Field I
Boarding Party I
Directed Energy Modulation I
Extend Shields I
Reverse Shield Polarity I Charged Particle Burst I
Energy Siphon I
Feedback Pulse I
Photonic Officer I
Tractor Beam Repulsors I
Scramble Sensors I
Tyken's Rift I
Yeah but there are already other stations on that ship that can still run those abilities you listed while it never had access to APO before so there is still more options that weren't previously available.
Having Cmdr in one field and being able to have Lt Cmdr in both of the other fields is pretty huge. Also for alpha strikingg having 4 tac boff abilities helps a lot, even that is barely enough.
Yeah but there are already other stations on that ship that can still run those abilities you listed while it never had access to APO before so there is still more options that weren't previously available.
Having Cmdr in one field and being able to have Lt Cmdr in both of the other fields is pretty huge. Also for alpha strikingg having 4 tac boff abilities helps a lot, even that is barely enough.
Time will show. It's very possible that the very people that screamed they need at least lt.cmd tac and more tac consoles will be in the future those that will scream that their lovely D'Deridex explodes too much.
Time will show. It's very possible that the very people that screamed they need at least lt.cmd tac and more tac consoles will be in the future those that will scream that their lovely D'Deridex explodes too much.
Note: It's not a case of saying all options are equal.
Which is sort of the key point. Most skills are crappy, most combinations are crappy, and the new D'Deridex layout gives it a Lt. Commander ability in all three fields. This is amazing and unique and why the heck would you want to give it up for a more standard arrangement? Good damage, good durability, good flexibility. Even with two ensign slots, neither of them need to be #3 in a field so there's still something useful for each of them.
If it wasn't for the abysmal turn rate (and possibly however the singularity stuff pans out) the new layout is pretty much one of the best in the game, easily. There's literally nothing to complain about unless you're obsessing over theoretical useless builds that nobody would ever use.
Not this again... First it was the three Ensign Engis, then it was "zomg only two useless tac consoles", now it's the boff layout... What's next?
The new configuration is fine. It's versatile, yet fitting for this very ship class both gameplay and canon-wise. I vote leave it as it is.
And quite frankly, if you don't like it that much then there's a lot of other Warbirds available, with way more tactical capabilities and stuff. Use them.
People always find something to complain about. It's the reason they can't change the Galaxy to a similar layout: while at first the overwhelming majority seems to want the new boff layout, the moment it gets changed a second vocal group rises, demanding reversal of the changes. It's just how it works.
In any case I'm happy with the new D'deridex boff layout, and I hope it stays this way.
There is X.
There is Group A that complains about X.
Group B doesn't complain about X.
X becomes Y.
B complains about Y.
They were happy with X.
It's not a case that B magically appeared and decided to complain.
Folks complained about the Gal BOFFs. Got changed to Amb BOFFs. Folks appeared to be happy. Some folks were still not happy. Going to be changed to...uh...yeah. Folks that complained about Gal but were happy with Amb are going to complain about the additional changes.
Now as one of the people that complained about the original layout I love this one.
It's a very interesting multi role layout that feels unique and not like a clone of the Galaxy with a pitiful 2 tac consoles. It's actually got some firepower now and yes it lost some tanking ability, but I'll call that a good trade, and in keeping with the Romulan character. You've still got enough eng for the important stuff and enough science to pull off an interesting trick or two. It's a pretty nice blend of all three categories.
It has a battle cloak as well so you get more survivability and options there.
If they want to do a more traditional federation type tank spec eng cruiser later it can be a Ha'apex variant for the people that want that play style. This flexible, unique and potent D'Deridex configuration should ensure that you see plenty of them flying around making Romulan places look properly Romulan.
I'll definitely be running one as my main ship now.
Original (OMFGWTF-NOOOOO!)
Earlier (Better than the original, but not quite there.)
Previous (There you go, but those consoles?)
Current...
...people gushing.
...people WTFing (though not as bad as with the original).
saying a tac ensign is useless when you only have 1 other one? fricking pve'ers
Dont blame that on us! Some pepole don't get that even an extra ensign tac slot is an extra 2% crit and 5% crit severity....or that even with an aux2bat build just toss a torp on and a spread in that ensign slot. (romulan hyper torp!)
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14 whole degrees?! Amazing! You could almost get one full volley off before you have to start your turn...and then never hit again.
The best part about folks praising the RCS changes and how great they are is they only seemed to test them in a vacuum. The RCS changes helped my Vesta, my Charal, my Kumari and my Intrepid out quite a bit. And yes I also tested it on an Odyssey, a Galaxy and a Sovereign. They helped. But since everything else I fly will also be turning faster ...
Well, like I keep saying, have fun with that on the D'Deridex.
The Mogai was already replacing the D'deridex at the time of Shinzon. That was 8 years before the supernova. It's between 22-25 years since then.
I don't think the Mogai would be replacing the D'Deridex really. it was a different ship for a different role as the Dominion war probably showed the Romulans that they needed smaller faster ships to.
Or because that horrible movie wanted a new Romulan design to go alongside the superultimatemegakill dreadnought that was being built by slaves in secret right next to Romulus.:rolleyes:
I personally love the new changes for the D'deridex. The previous BOFF layouts were all fairly generic and did not lend itself to such an iconic and unique vessel.
Having a Ltcmd slot for tactical AND science adds so much more potency to the ship. Sure it loses out on a more varied build of weaker and sometimes useless specs but it makes up for it by allowing the captain to build their ship to fit their needs.
When I see a Lt Cmdr tac slot I see burst and utility: BO3, HY3, Spread3, ApB2, ApO1 etc. It gives you a more potent strike and the potential to chain a Lt level utility or burst skill to take advantage of it. I fly an Assault Cruiser refit and I treasure my Lt Cmdr tac slot like gold. It provides that little extra to any encounter and makes the difference.
Having a Lt Cmdr Science is even more exciting! This extra slot allows a cruiser captain to unlock all 3 level 1 versions of high end science abilities. On top of this I get the choice of the type of utility I will recieve! Do I want to free up that ensign science ability for more resistance stacking or tractor beams OR not worry about high end sci healing and make my Lt cmdr skill POTENT control/exotic dmg skills? I could get CPB, Tractor repulsors, feedback pulse, Gravity Well, VM just to name my favorites! The best part is those skills being in a Lt Cmdr slot means they are now very POTENT skills.
I love the new layout and I think we are going to see some very different and VIABLE layouts for this ship. Having a Lt Uni may seem like more options but I think the Lt Cmdr slots simply feel more potent and fun. It really brings out that "hold em or fold em" Romulan attitude.
Why do people assume any race builds a massive warship is built with a lifespan of 20 odd years?
If your going to invest the material and activate a AQS drive in the platform why is not acceptable that its built to last for a long time-refitting can extend its lifetime
The reason we saw no D'deridex warbird in Nemesis is simply a movie making choice-they could show a new ship design -why do we belive that the mogai replaces it?
Still as always no evidence to support from the screen big or small why it has a TRIBBLE turn rate.
Still as always no evidence to support from the screen big or small why it has a TRIBBLE turn rate.
The D'Deridex? TNG Epsiode The Neutral Zone establishes that it is slower than the Galaxy. So since Cryptic gave the Galaxy a 6 ... the D'Deridex is in a bit of a pickle.
The Mogai was already replacing the D'deridex at the time of Shinzon. That was 8 years before the supernova. It's between 22-25 years since then.
the mogai wasn't replacing the d'deridex anymore then the sovereign replaced the galaxy. the mogai is still vastly smaller and vastly less powerful, they supplement each other. the d'deridex will be around and in use for at least 100 years, just like the galaxy class.
The D'Deridex? TNG Epsiode The Neutral Zone establishes that it is slower than the Galaxy. So since Cryptic gave the Galaxy a 6 ... the D'Deridex is in a bit of a pickle.
top end warp speed could not have less to do with turn rate.
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Yeah but there are already other stations on that ship that can still run those abilities you listed while it never had access to APO before so there is still more options that weren't previously available.
Having Cmdr in one field and being able to have Lt Cmdr in both of the other fields is pretty huge. Also for alpha strikingg having 4 tac boff abilities helps a lot, even that is barely enough.
But that's not true...
9 Options, 15 Options
9 Options
5 Options, 12 Options, 14 Options, 7 Options
8 Options, 15 Options, 18 Options
22 Options, 42 Options
14,258,680,128,000 permutations
9 Options, 15 Options, 16 Options
9 Options
5 Options, 12 Options, 14 Options, 7 Options
8 Options, 15 Options, 18 Options
22 Options
5,431,878,144,000 permutations
The change provides 8,826,801,984,000 fewer options.
Not saying that they're all "good" options much less "viable" options...but it is still over 8 trillion fewer options.
9 Options, 15 Options, 16 Options
9 Options
9 Options
174,960
9 Options, 15 Options
9 Options, 15 Options
9 Options
164,025
Gaining less than 11 thousand Tac options is probably worth losing over 8 trillion options to some...
...even if it means losing DPS.
Note: It's not a case of saying all options are equal.
For those that like the way it has been pigeonholed...of course they're going to be happy.
I'm thinking they probably would be happier flying the Fleet Ha'apax though.
X, X
X
X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X, X
Tac that LCdr, add in the Ha'apax Separation console...and yeah, it's going to smoke the D'deridex.
At least it will be semi-canon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg_6eeJ5eVc (1:43)
Hey, that's the stock footage that I keep talking about...heh. Cut and edited...the same booms happen over and over throughout the Dominion War.
I'm sure we'll see the following D'deridex boats out there:
TT1, APD1, APD2
TT1
EPtS1, AtD1, RSP2, AtS3
EPtS1
PH1, HE2, TSS3
Look, ma...I'm tanking...I'm tanking!
TT1, APB1, FAW3
TT1
EPtW1, EPtS2, EPtS3, AtS3
EPtW1
PH1, HE2, TSS3
If it wasn't for the abysmal turn rate (and possibly however the singularity stuff pans out) the new layout is pretty much one of the best in the game, easily. There's literally nothing to complain about unless you're obsessing over theoretical useless builds that nobody would ever use.
The new configuration is fine. It's versatile, yet fitting for this very ship class both gameplay and canon-wise. I vote leave it as it is.
And quite frankly, if you don't like it that much then there's a lot of other Warbirds available, with way more tactical capabilities and stuff. Use them.
In any case I'm happy with the new D'deridex boff layout, and I hope it stays this way.
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Join the Romulan Praetorian Guard and teach those epohh loving hippies what it means to be a true Romulan!
There is Group A that complains about X.
Group B doesn't complain about X.
X becomes Y.
B complains about Y.
They were happy with X.
It's not a case that B magically appeared and decided to complain.
Folks complained about the Gal BOFFs. Got changed to Amb BOFFs. Folks appeared to be happy. Some folks were still not happy. Going to be changed to...uh...yeah. Folks that complained about Gal but were happy with Amb are going to complain about the additional changes.
Shouldn't be surprising.
It's a very interesting multi role layout that feels unique and not like a clone of the Galaxy with a pitiful 2 tac consoles. It's actually got some firepower now and yes it lost some tanking ability, but I'll call that a good trade, and in keeping with the Romulan character. You've still got enough eng for the important stuff and enough science to pull off an interesting trick or two. It's a pretty nice blend of all three categories.
It has a battle cloak as well so you get more survivability and options there.
If they want to do a more traditional federation type tank spec eng cruiser later it can be a Ha'apex variant for the people that want that play style. This flexible, unique and potent D'Deridex configuration should ensure that you see plenty of them flying around making Romulan places look properly Romulan.
I'll definitely be running one as my main ship now.
We already have the Galaxy-X just make one for the Neg'var and the D'deridex and allow us
to use the normal skins on those ships and the new Tactical Layout from the D'deridex.
X, X, X
X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X
The "previous" version:
X, X
X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
The "earlier" version:
X, X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
X
The "original" version:
X, X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X
X, X
So...it kind of went (from what I observed)...
Original (OMFGWTF-NOOOOO!)
Earlier (Better than the original, but not quite there.)
Previous (There you go, but those consoles?)
Current...
...people gushing.
...people WTFing (though not as bad as with the original).
It's 2409+...
...if we saw a bunch of D'deridex flying around rather than Ha'apax or newer ships...
...it wouldn't look properly Romulan.
It would be more like watching the History Channel.
Except this is not the Federation, The republic would most likely be using more older ships then newer state of the art ships would be rare to see.
Anyway, Dear Cryptic don't put it back thanks
If anything, one would expect to see more Mogai than D'deridex...given the Mogai replaced the D'deridex.
The Romulans updated just like the Feds and KDF did...
...the D'deridex is an old boat.
Edit: PLUS, we now have 3 tac consoles. It's a very balanced and multi-role ship.
It would look fine considering their home planet and the center of their empire blew up something like 10 years after the Dominion war.
Those old hulls are going to see much longer service lives in that kind of situation.
It's the Ha'apex that actually strains belief more than the old existing D'Deridex hulls still being around and getting refitted.
The Mogai was already replacing the D'deridex at the time of Shinzon. That was 8 years before the supernova. It's between 22-25 years since then.
Dont blame that on us! Some pepole don't get that even an extra ensign tac slot is an extra 2% crit and 5% crit severity....or that even with an aux2bat build just toss a torp on and a spread in that ensign slot. (romulan hyper torp!)
Pay no attention to the dates and titles under my name at the left! I am a Career Officer, Lifetime Sub since launch, was in the Beta. Having problems with my forum account.
He's providing feedback on something that is being tested on Tribble. This is the exact spot for this feedback to be, due to that.
Well, like I keep saying, have fun with that on the D'Deridex.
I don't think the Mogai would be replacing the D'Deridex really. it was a different ship for a different role as the Dominion war probably showed the Romulans that they needed smaller faster ships to.
Or because that horrible movie wanted a new Romulan design to go alongside the superultimatemegakill dreadnought that was being built by slaves in secret right next to Romulus.:rolleyes:
then you get that scotty customized it feel....just an idea and then you would literally silence a ton of yammering...and even profit from it...
Having a Ltcmd slot for tactical AND science adds so much more potency to the ship. Sure it loses out on a more varied build of weaker and sometimes useless specs but it makes up for it by allowing the captain to build their ship to fit their needs.
When I see a Lt Cmdr tac slot I see burst and utility: BO3, HY3, Spread3, ApB2, ApO1 etc. It gives you a more potent strike and the potential to chain a Lt level utility or burst skill to take advantage of it. I fly an Assault Cruiser refit and I treasure my Lt Cmdr tac slot like gold. It provides that little extra to any encounter and makes the difference.
Having a Lt Cmdr Science is even more exciting! This extra slot allows a cruiser captain to unlock all 3 level 1 versions of high end science abilities. On top of this I get the choice of the type of utility I will recieve! Do I want to free up that ensign science ability for more resistance stacking or tractor beams OR not worry about high end sci healing and make my Lt cmdr skill POTENT control/exotic dmg skills? I could get CPB, Tractor repulsors, feedback pulse, Gravity Well, VM just to name my favorites! The best part is those skills being in a Lt Cmdr slot means they are now very POTENT skills.
I love the new layout and I think we are going to see some very different and VIABLE layouts for this ship. Having a Lt Uni may seem like more options but I think the Lt Cmdr slots simply feel more potent and fun. It really brings out that "hold em or fold em" Romulan attitude.
If your going to invest the material and activate a AQS drive in the platform why is not acceptable that its built to last for a long time-refitting can extend its lifetime
The reason we saw no D'deridex warbird in Nemesis is simply a movie making choice-they could show a new ship design -why do we belive that the mogai replaces it?
Still as always no evidence to support from the screen big or small why it has a TRIBBLE turn rate.
I'm a quote Stan Lee for a sec ...
EXCELSIOR!
The D'Deridex? TNG Epsiode The Neutral Zone establishes that it is slower than the Galaxy. So since Cryptic gave the Galaxy a 6 ... the D'Deridex is in a bit of a pickle.
the mogai wasn't replacing the d'deridex anymore then the sovereign replaced the galaxy. the mogai is still vastly smaller and vastly less powerful, they supplement each other. the d'deridex will be around and in use for at least 100 years, just like the galaxy class.
top end warp speed could not have less to do with turn rate.