While you do get a VA ship token for being a Gold (LTS/ monthly sub) Member, that is a per character unlock, where as the Starter Pack grants you an account-wide unlock version of the ship -- this also would make you eligible for any Fleet Ship Modules discounts if you are looking to get the fleet version, where as the VA token (which can only be used once per character) does not gain you access to this.
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Fair enough... I guess the fleet module discount is worth roughly $15 bucks alone. I'm still deflated over the level access change though. It was explicitly stated that we'd have access to this at 40, and emphasized that this was beneficial over the normal Tier5 VA ship acquisition. Poor decision from a marketing standpoint.
I will say that the ship is a beauty, so the wait is that much harder! Great work overall on the ships, but some forethought about the promise vs the delivery would have mitigated a fair bit of short-term disappointment.
The hull on Dhelan retrofit, Fleet Dhelan, T'Varo retrofit and Fleet T'Varo seem to be messed up.
The Fleet Dhelan has less hull than the Dhelan retrofit (I believe it should be around 31k for the retrofit, 34k for Fleet one).
The T'Varo retrofit has been (rightfully) given 27k hull in latest patch, Fleet one 29,7k. Is that being changed back?
Lastly, looks like the Fleet Ha'Apax has some curious Boff layout and power bonuses. Unlike the other Ha'- ships, it doesn't get the same boff layout as the non-fleet version. And it gets +5 shields, +10 auxiliary?
Oh, and where's the Haakona?
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And I hope the Dhael ends up a real beauty, so that at least part of the argument about the Tier 5 Dhelan/Mogai dissipates (as at least part of the people just don't want to fly the Dhelan but would want the sci focus).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
- I'd still like to clear up the situation about Dhelan retrofit/Fleet Dhelan hulls and the Fleet Ha'Apax info. Seems like typos, but one never knows.
- And then the poor C-Store Haakona with the separation console for the Ha'Apax.
- Also, wouldn't it be better to give the Tier 2 and 3 (Dhelan/Dhael, Mogai/Valdore) 0.9 shield modifier, for continuity's sake? (EDIT: ebonytevilo beat me to it and I think it currently is so on Tribble.)
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Is that correct: Mogai/Valdore have a Shield Modifier of 1, the Mogai Refit of 0,9 and Fleet Mogai 0,99.
A free Tier 3 ship with better stats than the T5 ships?
The simplest way to look at it, is that it's never going to be entirely accurate to compare a T5 ship with a non-T5 ship.
In this particular ship's case, the lower-tier version has slightly different stats due to it having different weapons, bridge officer and console capabilities.
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I'm extremely happy to see the updated D'deridex stats. Day one purchase. (although the refit skin is just ugly...)
What happened to the C-Store version of the Ha'apax? I know it wasn't officially announced, but it's still on Tribble, yet not mentioned anywhere in the blog. Posponed?
I'm not keen on those little warp nacelles on the top, I think it'd look better with angled up dual fins of some kind.
I'm fairly sure the things mounted atop those dorsal pylons are cannons - kind of like those flanking each side of the Galaxy Dreadnought's bridge section.
The simplest way to look at it, is that it's never going to be entirely accurate to compare a T5 ship with a non-T5 ship.
In this particular ship's case, the lower-tier version has slightly different stats due to it having different weapons, bridge officer and console capabilities.
Yeah, but it would just make it simpler to understand for new players.
Is there some specific reason for a 1.0 shield mod on them? The Tier 1 T'Liss and T'Varo get 0.9.
And I insist:
1) Is the Haakona out?
2) And are the Fleet Ha'Apax stats correct?
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Most of the ships look great stat wise and the models do also. Will there be free skin variants for these ships though and will we be able to see any of them soon if there are?
Different skin options for some of these ships with just a few minor differences would go a long way in making people be willing to play the ships. The Dhelan is the main one I see complaints about. The Dhelan needs alternate wing options, one where the upper wing doen't have a sharp bend to it where it is attached to the hull, this could be done by adding a curve to it instead, or multiple less sharp angles, or just connecting the upper wing directly to the hull without a bend on it by lowering where both wings attach to the hull. Also both wings should should be angle up some, birds look better in pictures with their wings stretched out as they fly and so would this ship.
not to mention that there is NO canon example of a d'deridex not turning well. having a slower warp drive then a galaxy class is not an example of a turn rate problem
Exactly .
Trek ships do not turn via Impulse , they turn via thruster control .
This was explicitly stated in the TNG ep. "Booby Trap" (where they got out of their predicament by manual control with a single thruster .
The rapid near axis turn preformed by the Enterprise-D in "Data's Day" (when they turned tail and ran from the Romulans) was seemingly also via thruster control .
I'd like to see that kind of maneuverability in STO .
I assume that the Romulan ships will also get three costume variants, like most of the Fed or KDF ships. When will we see what the Romulan ships look like with their parts mixed and matched?
Edit: Like a D'Deridex with a D'ridthau head, for example.
I noticed the note stating, "Acquisition: Vice Admiral Ship Token (600-Day Veterans & Lifetime Subscribers Only), or C-Store/ Legacy Pack" on some of the ships."
As a long-time subscriber (950+ days), sometimes we feel as though we're not appreciated. Although some may continue to complain and others may not say anything at all, small things like this are appreciated.
Oh god not again with the stupid canon TRIBBLE again, game play trumps canon always.
While I agree with this, I also believe that the "floor" for cruiser turn rates is way too low. Cruisers should turn slower than Sci and Escort ships, but there is plenty of range available for cruisers to be better without becoming too fast.
And I insist:
1) Is the Haakona out?
2) And are the Fleet Ha'Apax stats correct?
I would like to know this, as well. If the Haakona is still planned and will have the seating stated for the Fleet Ha'apax in the blog at this time, it's a definite buy for me (or, at least, as soon as I have $25 earmarked for STO again, anyway...).
I would like to know this, as well. If the Haakona is still planned and will have the seating stated for the Fleet Ha'apax in the blog at this time, it's a definite buy for me (or, at least, as soon as I have $25 earmarked for STO again, anyway...).
Agreed .... I want to know as well as the Haakona is one I want as well ... for the separation abilities.
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Sadly no. You need to consistently fire on the same target for duration of stacking to occur. If you break target, the stacking is broken.
Fair enough... I guess the fleet module discount is worth roughly $15 bucks alone. I'm still deflated over the level access change though. It was explicitly stated that we'd have access to this at 40, and emphasized that this was beneficial over the normal Tier5 VA ship acquisition. Poor decision from a marketing standpoint.
I will say that the ship is a beauty, so the wait is that much harder! Great work overall on the ships, but some forethought about the promise vs the delivery would have mitigated a fair bit of short-term disappointment.
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The Fleet Dhelan has less hull than the Dhelan retrofit (I believe it should be around 31k for the retrofit, 34k for Fleet one).
The T'Varo retrofit has been (rightfully) given 27k hull in latest patch, Fleet one 29,7k. Is that being changed back?
Lastly, looks like the Fleet Ha'Apax has some curious Boff layout and power bonuses. Unlike the other Ha'- ships, it doesn't get the same boff layout as the non-fleet version. And it gets +5 shields, +10 auxiliary?
Oh, and where's the Haakona?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
They all look to be science ships.
We don't get to pick which profession we want?
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Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Thanks for catching this. Those hull hitpoint changes were made after the Blog was drafted, and didn't get updated.
We've updated the blog now to update the hull figures to their correct numbers:
T'varo Retrofit: 27,000 (not 30,000)
Fleet T'varo Retrofit: 29,700 (not 33,000)
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Think you missed the Dhelan...
Dhelan Retrofit: Hull Strength: 34,650
Fleet Dhelan Retrofit: Hull Strength: 33,000
Never seen a fleet ship get a reduction.
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Should be (and will be updated shortly in the blog)...
Dhelan Retrofit: 31,500
Fleet Dhelan Retrofit: 34,650
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"Play smart!"
much better. Was getting a little worried there.
A free Tier 3 ship with better stats than the T5 ships?
Thanks.
- I'd still like to clear up the situation about Dhelan retrofit/Fleet Dhelan hulls and the Fleet Ha'Apax info. Seems like typos, but one never knows.
- And then the poor C-Store Haakona with the separation console for the Ha'Apax.
- Also, wouldn't it be better to give the Tier 2 and 3 (Dhelan/Dhael, Mogai/Valdore) 0.9 shield modifier, for continuity's sake? (EDIT: ebonytevilo beat me to it
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
The simplest way to look at it, is that it's never going to be entirely accurate to compare a T5 ship with a non-T5 ship.
In this particular ship's case, the lower-tier version has slightly different stats due to it having different weapons, bridge officer and console capabilities.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
I'm not keen on those little warp nacelles on the top, I think it'd look better with angled up dual fins of some kind.
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What happened to the C-Store version of the Ha'apax? I know it wasn't officially announced, but it's still on Tribble, yet not mentioned anywhere in the blog. Posponed?
I'm fairly sure the things mounted atop those dorsal pylons are cannons - kind of like those flanking each side of the Galaxy Dreadnought's bridge section.
Yeah, but it would just make it simpler to understand for new players.
Is there some specific reason for a 1.0 shield mod on them? The Tier 1 T'Liss and T'Varo get 0.9.
And I insist:
1) Is the Haakona out?
2) And are the Fleet Ha'Apax stats correct?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Different skin options for some of these ships with just a few minor differences would go a long way in making people be willing to play the ships. The Dhelan is the main one I see complaints about. The Dhelan needs alternate wing options, one where the upper wing doen't have a sharp bend to it where it is attached to the hull, this could be done by adding a curve to it instead, or multiple less sharp angles, or just connecting the upper wing directly to the hull without a bend on it by lowering where both wings attach to the hull. Also both wings should should be angle up some, birds look better in pictures with their wings stretched out as they fly and so would this ship.
Exactly .
Trek ships do not turn via Impulse , they turn via thruster control .
This was explicitly stated in the TNG ep. "Booby Trap" (where they got out of their predicament by manual control with a single thruster .
The rapid near axis turn preformed by the Enterprise-D in "Data's Day" (when they turned tail and ran from the Romulans) was seemingly also via thruster control .
I'd like to see that kind of maneuverability in STO .
Absolutely agreed .
I'm also kinda disappointed that the Valdore won't be a Sci oriented ship , as besides the D'D , that's the only one I was looking forward to flying .
Edit: Like a D'Deridex with a D'ridthau head, for example.
As a long-time subscriber (950+ days), sometimes we feel as though we're not appreciated. Although some may continue to complain and others may not say anything at all, small things like this are appreciated.
While I agree with this, I also believe that the "floor" for cruiser turn rates is way too low. Cruisers should turn slower than Sci and Escort ships, but there is plenty of range available for cruisers to be better without becoming too fast.
I would like to know this, as well. If the Haakona is still planned and will have the seating stated for the Fleet Ha'apax in the blog at this time, it's a definite buy for me (or, at least, as soon as I have $25 earmarked for STO again, anyway...).
Agreed .... I want to know as well as the Haakona is one I want as well ... for the separation abilities.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)