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Legacy of Romulus Dev Blog #13

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  • kwiat007kwiat007 Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Funny that you feel that way. As I said what Tovan does is no different from what your Fed bridge officers do. Sorry, but what I'm getting from your writing is that you feel inadequate next to him.
    So when he says things to you like "You know the drill" it doesn't make you feel like he is in charge?
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  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    linyive wrote: »
    I do not see the importance of including a voiced bridge officer.

    If I had to be perfectly honest, the VO stuff isnt that good.

    The writing is mediocre to bad and the VO delivery is dead pan and monotonous. More like some guy reading a script than someone acting a part. It adds nothing. And in my case detracts from my game experience. If there was an option to turn it off I would.

    I couldnt stand Tovan before the VO. With the VO he became intolerable.

    I would rather they have spent the studio time creating a Romulan computer voice so I dont have to listen to Majel Barret tell me my shields are at 75%
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  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kwiat007 wrote: »
    So when he says things to you like "You know the drill" it doesn't make you feel like he is in charge?


    It makes me think he is a 20th century human using slang
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kwiat007 wrote: »
    So when he says things to you like "You know the drill" it doesn't make you feel like he is in charge?

    Nope, I feel secure enough in my command chair. The complete quote is "You know the drill, right? Go to the station, preach the good news, get them on our side. Easy!" I got the feeling that he was nervous and tried to reassure himself by talking to me, not that he was ordering me around. After all we just ran into the Tal Shiar twice while trying to save people, one time ending in a War of the Worlds style invasion. A few weeks before that we were still in charge of the security of a small colony.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    After seeing what happens with these stupid make your own aliens -immersion and storyline suffer-Its Star trek-not this week in 2 foot green midgets and 7ft tall bright pink woman in hotpants spaceland -Fed Spacedock is a cringe-I went Klingon to dodge it -its there but maybe due to lower player count its ok -so hoping the Romulans would dodge this.

    So I for one im ok-i can make own story and im fine they can force all the canon star trek races on us -to remind us its not freakfleet.

    lol :D You must apreciate the irony in this statement of yours, just a couple of days after it was announced that the same alien generator that creates those 2ft green midgets and 7ft tall bright pink woman in hotpants that you're talking about is in fact being applied to the Romulan faction as well.
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  • commandersalvekcommandersalvek Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    lol :D You must apreciate the irony in this statement of yours, just a couple of days after it was announced that the same alien generator that creates those 2ft green midgets and 7ft tall bright pink woman in hotpants that you're talking about is in fact being applied to the Romulan faction as well.

    LOL yep SIGH I know it all too well:rolleyes:
  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Nope, I feel secure enough in my command chair. The complete quote is "You know the drill, right? Go to the station, preach the good news, get them on our side. Easy!" I got the feeling that he was nervous and tried to reassure himself by talking to me, not that he was ordering me around. After all we just ran into the Tal Shiar twice while trying to save people, one time ending in a War of the Worlds style invasion. A few weeks before that we were still in charge of the security of a small colony.

    He isnt at a bridge station. He isnt a Dept Head. He isnt on the Away Team.

    Why is he even speaking?
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    He isnt at a bridge station. He isnt a Dept Head. He isnt on the Away Team.

    Why is he even speaking?

    The same reason Admiral Quinn constantly calls ships of the Terran Empire to give them missions for the UFP.:P
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have always wanted BOFFs with their own story and voice work.

    The Trek characters in the series had their own progressive story about who they were and where they came from. It's great to see this happening in STO.

    Just another reason to love this new update to the game. :D

    Thanks to all involved.

    That was my initial response as well. What I've experienced on Tribble thus far, I like. In fact, I was hoping to see this approach taken with both the Federation and Klingon tutorials as well.

    I wouldn't object to few lines of personality here and there for the BO's we pick from during Khitomer Crisis. As well as something more in depth following Stranded in Space. Perhaps needing to actually return to ESD to meet the next three candidates in an actual Officer's Lounge? Or down at the Academy?

    That said, I do think such NPC/BO's should - at a minimum - be flexible enough for changing costumes. As Romulan player's want Tovan to adopt a newer uniform, Federation and KDF player's still enjoy setting their overall look for bridges crew. After all, once a part of our crew, we may follow our NPC's bread crumbs for further plot. However, these unique character's are experiencing a new path based upon player decision now.
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I find uneditable BOFFs annoying.

    There have been many times when I've looked at my "locked boffs" and thought, if only I could change this or that.

    My first wish was to edit my Breen, change his armor pieces and the color of his armor so he stands out from the NPCs.

    The second wish was to fully edit my Liberated Borg Sci, to make him look more like his Engineer friend.

    And my 3rd wish was to remove the cape from the Reman.


    And now, Tovan Khev is following that grand tradition.

    I really hate uneditable BOFFs and this one is permanently locked to your character.

    If you're going to force us to keep him, at least make it so we can edit his appearance fully.


    Also, if he has a bio, preload it into his character bio.

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  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I think they ought to allow the story BOFFs to be editable too. However, if the Devs care about retaining the identity of those, they could possibly restrict those edits to uniform only, or presets only?

    I mean, honestly, it'd be ideal if Tovan would be able to have his uniform changed to the Republic one, or maybe even the Rom-Ally uniform you gain access to. At least it keeps up with the story, rather than have him stay in his civilian digs.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It makes me think he is a 20th century human using slang

    Apone (aliens)
    not acceptable in the regular Romulan military im sure
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  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If I had to be perfectly honest, the VO stuff isnt that good.

    The writing is mediocre to bad and the VO delivery is dead pan and monotonous. More like some guy reading a script than someone acting a part. It adds nothing. And in my case detracts from my game experience. If there was an option to turn it off I would.

    I couldnt stand Tovan before the VO. With the VO he became intolerable.

    I would rather they have spent the studio time creating a Romulan computer voice so I dont have to listen to Majel Barret tell me my shields are at 75%
    Does he sound as if he is talking into a can? All the voice-overs in the Dominion episodes sound like someone is talking through a can. lol...

    I will be happen with whatever we get.
  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tilarta wrote: »

    Also, if he has a bio, preload it into his character bio.

    except thats not the bio for my Tovan. My Tovan is some hick who latched onto me when i stopped at some podunk fly-over planet for some fresh Kali-fal on my back to Rator.
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  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Yes, how dare they inject roleplaying into a game you're already roleplaying in. The nerve.
    "Star Trek: Online" is not in the same league as "Star Wars: the Old Republic". Its not a roleplaying game. On the flip side of the coin, I will keep an open mind. If I start to get annoyed by the voiced companions, I will just repeatedly hit 'f' or 'esc' to bypass the dialogue. I will also turn my speakers off, so I can mute the scenes that cannot be bypassed. Not a big deal.
  • agentexeideragentexeider Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I know this is a little thing, but can you make it so other people can read my Boffs bios, I came up with some really good story for the crew and I would like other people to be able to read.

    Also maybe the option to take a single boff with us when we beam down to social areas.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    That's a little complicated.

    It turns out you have two boffs instead of one.
    The one on your bridge is just an NPC clone, they have no bio.

    Only the combat one has bio.

    I wish the Bridge boffs had the bios too, so guests on my bridge could go around and read their stories.

    And as for editing the bio:
    Tovan Khev

    Can you see that the edit record button is disabled?
    If you want to change it from the prerecorded version, you should be able to.


    As for taking a single boff to social areas, that would double the population base of any social map.

    Not sure that's practical.


    As for the voiceovers, I have them disabled by default.

    I was quite confused when someone referred to Tasha Yar's voiceover and I didn't know there was one!

    For the record, I turned them off because I was sick of hearing HoloLetta babble on everytime I went to play Dabo.

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  • direphoenixdirephoenix Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have mixed feelings about these "pre-made story BOffs". On the one hand, it's a nice effort from the staff to incorporate more "story" elements into the game. People seem to keep asking for it, so here we've got it.

    On the other hand, this is one of the exact same reasons I hate SWtOR. If any game has shown that "story" is completely overrated in an MMO it was that game, and now we're emulating it here? These characters are not your own, they're Cryptic's, and everyone has the exact same set of characters (at least to start out with). Through these characters, we now all have the same "story". Like SWtOR's classes, everyone that plays a Romulan is essentially playing the same character now. Sure, we can make our character look different and even have different powers. but it's still the same character, and it's not ours. We're all playing Jedi Space Elf Commander Shepard, and this is our favorite forum thread on the Citadel.
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  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Learn more about Tovan Khev in this entry of the Legacy of Romulus News Dev Blog series.


    Link to the blog.

    Well done! A very good back story, I'm really excited to get to know my officers! Whenever you guys revisit the Fed tutorial (if you're going to do something similar with the boffs), you should check out the bios of my main character's boffs for inspiration ;)
    Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
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  • kwiat007kwiat007 Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Nope, I feel secure enough in my command chair. The complete quote is "You know the drill, right? Go to the station, preach the good news, get them on our side. Easy!" I got the feeling that he was nervous and tried to reassure himself by talking to me, not that he was ordering me around. After all we just ran into the Tal Shiar twice while trying to save people, one time ending in a War of the Worlds style invasion. A few weeks before that we were still in charge of the security of a small colony.

    If he would say "shut the f* up and do what I tell you" you could also say "he is just nervous". This way you could rationalize anything.
    I don't get the feeling he is nervous, not at all. He became an orphan as a child, he should be tough and he was a security officer, he should be used to work under stressful conditions - from the blog:
    "Tovan was a fearless and natural warrior",
    "He more than proved his worth in helping to defend the colony in a number of scraps against raiders, thieves and pirates"
    .

    He is not nervous, he is simply impertinent and unprofessional.
    Also from the blog:
    "Tovan?s skills as a natural leader and tactician, along withhis skill with a disruptor, led to a rapid rise through the ranks of colonial security".

    I guess he forget that this time he is not in charge.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have mixed feelings about these "pre-made story BOffs". On the one hand, it's a nice effort from the staff to incorporate more "story" elements into the game. People seem to keep asking for it, so here we've got it.

    On the other hand, this is one of the exact same reasons I hate SWtOR. If any game has shown that "story" is completely overrated in an MMO it was that game, and now we're emulating it here? These characters are not your own, they're Cryptic's, and everyone has the exact same set of characters (at least to start out with). Through these characters, we now all have the same "story". Like SWtOR's classes, everyone that plays a Romulan is essentially playing the same character now. Sure, we can make our character look different and even have different powers. but it's still the same character, and it's not ours. We're all playing Jedi Space Elf Commander Shepard, and this is our favorite forum thread on the Citadel.

    You'll still have plenty of Romulan, and Reman BO's you can create back stories for and play dress up, and can delete all but one of the original BO, and it's still not confirmed if he's staying after the story is over.


    And in STO every Fed character and KDF character has the same story in the game, everyone battled the Borg in the tutorial, everyone beat the doomsday machine....nothing has changed. now just some BO's talking.

    If it hurts you so much just power level and do mirror events and skip the story. :rolleyes:
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  • antovarasantovaras Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I've grown to hate him.

    Aside from the uniform issue, he doesnt speak like a Romulan and uses idioms and slang no character in the game should be using. I cringe everytime he says something.

    He comments constantly even when he isnt on a bridge station, department head or Away Team. He didnt beam dowm but still adds his two cents.

    Its MY story not his.

    He isnt my first officer, he isnt my buddy and I dont really care about his personal relationships.

    Either make him an NPC or a Boff but not both.

    My only wish is that when you are indoctrinated that he is the one you get shoot. Even if its just a hologram.

    If I wanted companions with stories, I'd be playing SWTOR.

    I can only hope at some later point he dies a slow painful death

    QFT, please let us GET RID of him...
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  • chandlerasharichandlerashari Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    antovaras wrote: »
    QFT, please let us GET RID of him...

    Or better yet, a story dictated parting (not death TRIBBLE, just yknow he has his own ship and own stuff to do).

    I'll just IDIC him out of my chara's history.
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If i can at least change his outfit then fine. If i cant do ANYTHING then he's not *my* BoFF and i won't use him.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kwiat007 wrote: »
    If he would say "shut the f* up and do what I tell you" you could also say "he is just nervous". This way you could rationalize anything.

    Nope, THAT would make me mop the bridge floor with his face without a damn good reason.
    kwiat007 wrote: »
    I don't get the feeling he is nervous, not at all. He became an orphan as a child, he should be tough and he was a security officer, he should be used to work under stressful conditions - from the blog:
    "Tovan was a fearless and natural warrior",
    "He more than proved his worth in helping to defend the colony in a number of scraps against raiders, thieves and pirates"
    .

    Yeah, you see there are "stressful conditions" with "raiders, thieves and pirates" and there is the ******n invasion of the body snatchers that would make others dig a hole to hide in. I know it's easy to forget that if you see everything from behind a screen.
    kwiat007 wrote: »
    He is not nervous, he is simply impertinent and unprofessional.
    Also from the blog:
    "Tovan?s skills as a natural leader and tactician, along withhis skill with a disruptor, led to a rapid rise through the ranks of colonial security".

    I guess he forget that this time he is not in charge.

    Yeah, you really feel inadequate if someone doesn't "Sir, yes sir!" you all the time.:rolleyes:
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  • malakhglitchmalakhglitch Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I like Tovan Khev. Now I know his background even more. I have absolutely no problem with him being one of my BOff, same with the other three especially since he's purple. The only thing I don't like is that he and the others are out of uniform. :P
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  • chandlerasharichandlerashari Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I want him out of my crew as soon as he runs his story course, i've accepted Cryptic wants to tell us a story. And if this BOFF is a way to do it so be it.

    But please for the love of IDIC, let him be dismissible after a certain level!

    I wouldnt mind him still quipping in story mission replays. but please, i want a fully customizable crew for my own head canon.

    I dont want the EXACT same BOFF every other RR character has. Especially if its on New Romulus and I see 9-10 of these **uncustomizable** boffs everywhere!

    Dont force me to live with a cryptic-sponsored boff from the universe I went from civilian to COMMANDER (or whatever the lvl 50 is in RR faction) in a year.

    DISMISSABLE STORY BOFFS PLEASE...

    PLEASE.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The only thing I don't like is that he and the others are out of uniform. :P

    Amen brother, people here lose sight of the things that matter.:D I want him in a spiffy Federation Romulan 2 uniform.
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  • kaynbkaynb Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Very cool story. Nice character. The problem is that he's not MY character.

    Since before launch, I've always had the freedom to make my crew in whatever way I like. Full customization to get just what I like. Romulans? Big change. Now, changes are sometimes good, of course, but it's still kind of a reverse course.

    Overall, having an NPC this integrated into a story with voice acting and whatnot is, undoubtedly, very cool. However, there are several large issues that I have with it. Please allow me to elaborate.

    Firstly, it's simply not my character. It's Cryptic's character. For some, that won't matter. For me, well, it'll always bug me a little.

    Second, everyone will have the same BOFF(s). This isn't like Fed or KDF. They all start with the same first BOFFs too, but those BOFFs are quickly and easily replaced, especially on characters after your first. So that each of my characters wound up with different BOFFs within an hour of being created. When I group up with a friend, we have different BOFFs on the ground. Sounds like with Romulans this won't be the case.

    Thirdly, from what I read (and I could be mistaken), Romulans already have no ship options (other than C-store ships) at each tier. This compounded with having the same BOFFs and the same uniforms...well...every Romulan captain is pretty much the same. Sure, the captains themselves will be different, but that seems about it. I certainly hope I'm mistaken. I'd check the PTS right now...but it's down...everything is. :/

    Fourth, and this may just be a summation of the above, each time I playthrough, it'll be the same. Granted, the current story missions are sometimes a bit generic, and the new Romulan one sounds like a great story. BUT...with generic stories, I can imagine my captain and crews' reactions to be whatever I like 90% of the time, and give them all a distinct feel in my mind. Play through once as a hotheaded Kirk type. Play next time as a Picard statesman. I mean, sure, it's all just in my head, but it's easy to do and fun. With the Romulans, it all centers on this one NPC. His reactions and actions will be identical every time for every playthrough with every captain.

    Finally, the story all centers on this one NPC. Focus on that "N". Why is the storyline focused on him? If I may draw a parallel to tabletop games, the worst games I've ever played in were the ones where the GM's character was the star of the story. Granted, this is not a tabletop RPG and so the relevance of this analogy may not apply that well, but it still pops up in my mind.

    So, in summation, it certainly sounds like a great story and an interesting NPC, and I think I'll enjoy playing through it. BUT, I won't enjoy the fact that there is no customization and that everyone is just the same as me...I'm gonna get really tired of seeing that NPC running around on places like New Romulus....


    ...now...making adventure arcs revolving around certain NPCs that aren't one of your BOFFs and that are side stories and not the main arcs, very cool indeed. I just kinda feel like this is a bit of a Romulan railroad. Maybe it's just me.

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  • chandlerasharichandlerashari Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kaynb wrote: »
    Very cool story. Nice character. The problem is that he's not MY character.

    /snip

    Thanks for reading my wall. ;)

    Such a beatiful wall indeed :)
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