It seems you forgot to put in the C-Store Mogh inertia (same 50 as for the Fleet version), though.
And I can confirm the Fleet Varanus also only costs 1 Fleet ship module if the C-Store Varanus is owned (same should be true for the Fleet B'Reel BoP). So maybe you could add the line about a discount on them available.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
It seems you forgot to put in the C-Store Mogh inertia (same 50 as for the Fleet version), though.
And I can confirm the Fleet Varanus also only costs 1 Fleet ship module if the C-Store Varanus is owned (same should be true for the Fleet B'Reel BoP). So maybe you could add the line about a discount on them available.
Added the Obelisk Carrier to the fleet ships
Updated the Voth Bastion with inertia, fighter and set bonus details
Updated the Voth Palisade with inertia and set bonus details
Added the Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser
Minor update to the RA Obelisk and Advanced Obelisk set bonus text
Added the Voth Heavy Fighter
Added inertia value to the Mogh Battle Cruiser
Updated acquisition details on the Fleet B'rel and Fleet Varanus
If you've read the Federation update today you'll know the next update might not be for a few months. Post corrections/suggestions as normal, and I'll pick them up with the next update.
Updated the image of the Varanus Fleet Support Vessel and RA Version, also corrected text and updated console thumbnail.
Addition of Dyson Science Destroyers (RA Nov, VA Moq, VA Chontay, VA Ta'Sub)
Addition of Mirror Universe Negh'var Heavy Battlecruiser
Update to console images of Advanced Obelisk, Elachi S'Golth and Elachi Monbosh
Update to console images of Tal Shiar Khnial and Llihr classes
Addition of Hirogen Hunter and Apex ships
Various inertia additions
Updated icons for the cross faction ships
Welcome back, Starfish1. (Guess I'll have to look where I've stored my comments, as I must have had some...)
You solved nicely the Sci destroyers tac/sci switching.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I'm not sure if you'll want to include this information or not (because of limited space), but one curiosity about the 'basic' anniversary Dyson Science destroyers (that are currently obtainable through the Lobi store) is that they come (and are the only way to get) with a Solanae overcharged warp (Romulan one on top of it with a singularity) core and the Solanae Secondary Deflector.
The C-Store 3-packs don't contain this gear (although they of course come with a secondary deflector slot filled with a common 'default' secondary deflector item).
But as I said, not sure if you can even cram that info in the boxes.
Other than that, with Season 9 coming very soon, all KDF BoPs will get 'Flanking' (and as far as I've seen, they seem to all have it on Tribble - though I'll recheck the Tier 1 BoP). So might be good to get it on the list of upcoming changes (unless you've noted it already).
EDIT: Nice, the dev blog on Flanking is out. Apparently it really won't go on the starter B'Rel BoP. But I kinda missed the added hull part. That'll probably need to be looked at case by case on Tribble (as it's stated as roughly +10% hull).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Other than that, with Season 9 coming very soon, all KDF BoPs will get 'Flanking' (and as far as I've seen, they seem to all have it on Tribble - though I'll recheck the Tier 1 BoP). So might be good to get it on the list of upcoming changes (unless you've noted it already).
EDIT: Nice, the dev blog on Flanking is out. Apparently it really won't go on the starter B'Rel BoP. But I kinda missed the added hull part. That'll probably need to be looked at case by case on Tribble (as it's stated as roughly +10% hull).
Just btw, I've updated the wiki with the current BoP hull numbers. As it turns out, it seems to have been an exact 10% hull buff for all but the Tier 1 starter B'Rel and the C-Store B'rotlh. Those stayed at 10k hull.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Just btw, I've updated the wiki with the current BoP hull numbers. As it turns out, it seems to have been an exact 10% hull buff for all but the Tier 1 starter B'Rel and the C-Store B'rotlh. Those stayed at 10k hull.
Excellent.
I'm in the process of updating the Klingon chart at the moment (because I think it's the one with the most changes), it will probably be ready before the end of the week.
It's a shame the B'roth doesn't get the hull increase as well as the flanking bonus. It would have made a cracking starter ship that everyone would want.
It's a shame the B'roth doesn't get the hull increase as well as the flanking bonus. It would have made a cracking starter ship that everyone would want.
Or being able to use the skin on the B'Rel refit / Fleet .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I'm in the process of updating the Klingon chart at the moment (because I think it's the one with the most changes), it will probably be ready before the end of the week.
It's a shame the B'roth doesn't get the hull increase as well as the flanking bonus. It would have made a cracking starter ship that everyone would want.
That's probably what you meant, but the B'rotlh does get Flanking. Only the starter free B'Rel doesn't.
And while it'd be nice for the B'rotlh to have more hull, it's just typical the C-Store versions of existing free rank-up/dil ships keep the same hull. (And not that 1k hull would make that much of a difference at Tier 1.)
Or being able to use the skin on the B'Rel refit / Fleet .
That's quite a nasty bug. And also the reason why I haven't bought the Tier 5 B'Rel retrofit (and it's a fairly rare sight among the 'available' messages in the KDF C-Store list for me). I just hate the usual B'Rel skin, and without certitude I could use at least the B'rotlh (which is not great, but still much nicer), I just wouldn't use it.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
That's probably what you meant, but the B'rotlh does get Flanking. Only the starter free B'Rel doesn't.
And while it'd be nice for the B'rotlh to have more hull, it's just typical the C-Store versions of existing free rank-up/dil ships keep the same hull. (And not that 1k hull would make that much of a difference at Tier 1.)
Addition of the Nicor and Dromias bio-ships
Addition of flanking bonus icon to applicable raiders
Update to hull points of applicable raiders
Addition of Mirror Somraw Raptor Refit
Corrected omission of Breen Bridge from the Chel Grett
Improvements to some ship images, consoles etc
I noticed some discrepancies on the description of the Mirror Somraw. Specifically the turn rate of 15.
I've gotten to Tribble to check it out and imagine my surprise, several raptors have messed up descriptions.
First, I of course used the same engine, no consoles slotted, same eng power,...
Mirror Qin at 45 power: 27,7 turn rate
Qin at 45 power: 27,7 turn rate
Mirror Somraw at 45 power: 29,7 turn rate
Su'qob at 45 power: 27,7 turn rate
Now the Qins are listed as both having a turn rate of 15, assuming that's correct, the Mirror Somraw must have a turn of 16, same as the Tier 2 Somraw and the Fleet obtainable Somraws (which would make sense).
The Su'qob, a Tier 3 raptor, is listed as having a turn rate of 16, however it seems it's rather 15. If that's not a bug, I'd also assume the free/dil Tier 3 raptor, the Qorgh, has the same turn rate of 15. I guess one of those times I'll have to get all the other raptors and recheck their turn rates as well.
(Note: The Mirror Somraw info on righclicking its box has a couple more mistakes in it, including a shield mod of 1.045. Those mistakes were originally part of the dev blog introducing it before the blog was corrected.)
I'd propose changing the Mirror Somraw's turn to 16 so it's in line with other Somraws (and as it seems to be a correct value), but the Su'qob (and the Qorgh) are your call. I definitely can't say at this point if it's just a bug on the Su'qob or a mistake in the description.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
It takes some amount of dedication to test the ships that thoroughly and notice those errors. Well done.
It looks like a safe bet that all the Somraw variants have a 16 degrees turn rate then, which makes the Mirror Somraw on the chart (and the dev blog) incorrect at 15. I'll change the Mirror Somraw in the next update to reflect your discovery.
I wouldn't want to rush you, but how's the addition of the Risian cruiser to this and the Romulan chart going?
(Of course I'm already grateful there are these charts to begin with.)
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
The Mirror Ki'tang has an inertia of 80, just checked. (Now that I write it, I see I should have checked the Tier 4 Ki'tang and Ch'tang as well, damn...)
Another funny part is that while checking the Mirror Ki'tang's turn rate, I ended up with the same numbers on the Hegh'ta AND also the Plesh Brek (with same engine and engine power, no turn consoles). And the Hegh'ta is definitely at the stated 21 turn rate. So it would seem the Plesh Brek has been far more manoeuvrable than anyone's been giving it credit for.
If someone else could check that it'd be fine. I have a bit of a hard time believing noone ever noticed.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
The Mirror Ki'tang has an inertia of 80, just checked. (Now that I write it, I see I should have checked the Tier 4 Ki'tang and Ch'tang as well, damn...)
Another funny part is that while checking the Mirror Ki'tang's turn rate, I ended up with the same numbers on the Hegh'ta AND also the Plesh Brek (with same engine and engine power, no turn consoles). And the Hegh'ta is definitely at the stated 21 turn rate. So it would seem the Plesh Brek has been far more manoeuvrable than anyone's been giving it credit for.
If someone else could check that it'd be fine. I have a bit of a hard time believing noone ever noticed.
Thanks for that, I'll get those updated in the next version.
I have no idea whether you abandoned the charts with DR or still plan to release updated ones, Starfish. Either way, just wanted to note somehow older Boff icons got back into the Chel Grett window on all three charts. Seems like it's the only ship with them.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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It seems you forgot to put in the C-Store Mogh inertia (same 50 as for the Fleet version), though.
And I can confirm the Fleet Varanus also only costs 1 Fleet ship module if the C-Store Varanus is owned (same should be true for the Fleet B'Reel BoP). So maybe you could add the line about a discount on them available.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Thanks for that. Will do.
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart2.jpg
Added the Obelisk Carrier to the fleet ships
Updated the Voth Bastion with inertia, fighter and set bonus details
Updated the Voth Palisade with inertia and set bonus details
Added the Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser
Minor update to the RA Obelisk and Advanced Obelisk set bonus text
Added the Voth Heavy Fighter
Added inertia value to the Mogh Battle Cruiser
Updated acquisition details on the Fleet B'rel and Fleet Varanus
If you've read the Federation update today you'll know the next update might not be for a few months. Post corrections/suggestions as normal, and I'll pick them up with the next update.
Regards,
Starfish1
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart2.jpg
Updated the image of the Varanus Fleet Support Vessel and RA Version, also corrected text and updated console thumbnail.
Addition of Dyson Science Destroyers (RA Nov, VA Moq, VA Chontay, VA Ta'Sub)
Addition of Mirror Universe Negh'var Heavy Battlecruiser
Update to console images of Advanced Obelisk, Elachi S'Golth and Elachi Monbosh
Update to console images of Tal Shiar Khnial and Llihr classes
Addition of Hirogen Hunter and Apex ships
Various inertia additions
Updated icons for the cross faction ships
Any problems, please let me know.
Regards,
Starfish1
Thanks.
You solved nicely the Sci destroyers tac/sci switching.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
It's nice to be back.
Yes, the Sci Destroyers posed an interesting challenge as the Romulan ship cells were already cramped with the singularity powers.
There are times when I consider if it's worth continuing, so thanks for saying that.
The C-Store 3-packs don't contain this gear (although they of course come with a secondary deflector slot filled with a common 'default' secondary deflector item).
But as I said, not sure if you can even cram that info in the boxes.
Other than that, with Season 9 coming very soon, all KDF BoPs will get 'Flanking' (and as far as I've seen, they seem to all have it on Tribble - though I'll recheck the Tier 1 BoP). So might be good to get it on the list of upcoming changes (unless you've noted it already).
EDIT: Nice, the dev blog on Flanking is out. Apparently it really won't go on the starter B'Rel BoP. But I kinda missed the added hull part. That'll probably need to be looked at case by case on Tribble (as it's stated as roughly +10% hull).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Just btw, I've updated the wiki with the current BoP hull numbers. As it turns out, it seems to have been an exact 10% hull buff for all but the Tier 1 starter B'Rel and the C-Store B'rotlh. Those stayed at 10k hull.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Excellent.
I'm in the process of updating the Klingon chart at the moment (because I think it's the one with the most changes), it will probably be ready before the end of the week.
It's a shame the B'roth doesn't get the hull increase as well as the flanking bonus. It would have made a cracking starter ship that everyone would want.
Or being able to use the skin on the B'Rel refit / Fleet
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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And while it'd be nice for the B'rotlh to have more hull, it's just typical the C-Store versions of existing free rank-up/dil ships keep the same hull. (And not that 1k hull would make that much of a difference at Tier 1.)
That's quite a nasty bug. And also the reason why I haven't bought the Tier 5 B'Rel retrofit (and it's a fairly rare sight among the 'available' messages in the KDF C-Store list for me). I just hate the usual B'Rel skin, and without certitude I could use at least the B'rotlh (which is not great, but still much nicer), I just wouldn't use it.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Yes that's what I meant.
Bad sentence structure on my part.
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart2.jpg
Addition of the Nicor and Dromias bio-ships
Addition of flanking bonus icon to applicable raiders
Update to hull points of applicable raiders
Addition of Mirror Somraw Raptor Refit
Corrected omission of Breen Bridge from the Chel Grett
Improvements to some ship images, consoles etc
Any problems, please let me know.
Regards,
Starfish1
I've gotten to Tribble to check it out and imagine my surprise, several raptors have messed up descriptions.
First, I of course used the same engine, no consoles slotted, same eng power,...
Mirror Qin at 45 power: 27,7 turn rate
Qin at 45 power: 27,7 turn rate
Mirror Somraw at 45 power: 29,7 turn rate
Su'qob at 45 power: 27,7 turn rate
Now the Qins are listed as both having a turn rate of 15, assuming that's correct, the Mirror Somraw must have a turn of 16, same as the Tier 2 Somraw and the Fleet obtainable Somraws (which would make sense).
The Su'qob, a Tier 3 raptor, is listed as having a turn rate of 16, however it seems it's rather 15. If that's not a bug, I'd also assume the free/dil Tier 3 raptor, the Qorgh, has the same turn rate of 15. I guess one of those times I'll have to get all the other raptors and recheck their turn rates as well.
(Note: The Mirror Somraw info on righclicking its box has a couple more mistakes in it, including a shield mod of 1.045. Those mistakes were originally part of the dev blog introducing it before the blog was corrected.)
I'd propose changing the Mirror Somraw's turn to 16 so it's in line with other Somraws (and as it seems to be a correct value), but the Su'qob (and the Qorgh) are your call. I definitely can't say at this point if it's just a bug on the Su'qob or a mistake in the description.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
It looks like a safe bet that all the Somraw variants have a 16 degrees turn rate then, which makes the Mirror Somraw on the chart (and the dev blog) incorrect at 15. I'll change the Mirror Somraw in the next update to reflect your discovery.
Many thanks.
(Of course I'm already grateful there are these charts to begin with.)
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart2.jpg
Xindi Lock Box Update:
Added Xindi-Aquatic Narcine Dreadnought Carrier
Added Xindi-Reptilian Contortrix Escort
Added Mirror Universe Ki'Tang Bird of Prey Retrofit
Updated console images for the Risian Vessels
Updated turn rate for Mirror Somraw (thanks Tovia)
Hope you find the new updates useful.
Any issues or amendments, please post below, and I'll pick them up for the next update.
Regards,
Starfish1
The Mirror Ki'tang has an inertia of 80, just checked. (Now that I write it, I see I should have checked the Tier 4 Ki'tang and Ch'tang as well, damn...)
Another funny part is that while checking the Mirror Ki'tang's turn rate, I ended up with the same numbers on the Hegh'ta AND also the Plesh Brek (with same engine and engine power, no turn consoles). And the Hegh'ta is definitely at the stated 21 turn rate. So it would seem the Plesh Brek has been far more manoeuvrable than anyone's been giving it credit for.
If someone else could check that it'd be fine. I have a bit of a hard time believing noone ever noticed.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Thanks for that, I'll get those updated in the next version.
Updated to version 3.11
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart2.jpg
Updated chart to include the T5-U upgrade icons on appropriate ships.
Hope you find the new update useful.
Any issues or amendments, please post below.
Regards,
Starfish1
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!