Female Gorn have smaller scales closer set eyes and no head spines
they are slightly larger width wise (not taller)
and slightly MORE intelligent than males
Saurian females have TRIBBLE. And besides, what's stopping alien life forms that resemble our reptilians from having mammary glands? It's not like they exist on our evolutionary tree.
You can use the same logic and say Gorn females shouldn't have TRIBBLE because where the Gorn come from females don't have them.;)
As far as the Saurians go we don't know much about them.
They seem to be more like Cardassians who are also reptilians with mammalian characteristics: they have scales, they like heat.
But they don't lay eggs and are compatible with mammals.
Gorn lay eggs so they're a whole lot different from Saurians.
Why would CbS okay female reman or Rewoman :P and not female Gorn.
I think you know the answer to that one: Remans appeared in the 10th movie to which Cryptic has rights due to its cooperation with CBS.
The Gorn from the game you refer to is based on the 11th movie to which neither CBS nor Cryptic has any rights.
So thse Gorn are out of the question anyway.
I thought the only reason we did not get female versions of KDF races was because cryptic was in a rush to get them in and just did not add female because we never saw them, but really it was just to rush thing but the lack of seeing a female was the scapegoat???
My guess is it's more a question of "no template available".
Personally for the Gorn I'd prefer if they used the "female" option to add members of a different caste.
We know from the STO novel "The Needs of the many" the caste system is part of STO's background.:)
The new FPS set in the JJverse has female Gorn. Think we could get those here?
No, they look identical to the Male ones.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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You can use the same logic and say Gorn females shouldn't have TRIBBLE because where the Gorn come from females don't have them.;)
As far as the Saurians go we don't know much about them.
They seem to be more like Cardassians who are also reptilians with mammalian characteristics: they have scales, they like heat.
But they don't lay eggs and are compatible with mammals.
Gorn lay eggs so they're a whole lot different from Saurians.
I believe Cardassians are actually mammals with reptilian characteristics, not the other way around.
As for the Saurians, they are cold-blooded, totally hairless, completely covered in scales and have slit pupils. Apart from the inexplicable female bosom, they seem 100% reptile to me.
I'll grant we are talking about alien species so some things might simply fall outside terrestrial taxonomic nomenclature, (heck, even on Earth we've got critters like the duck-billed platypus which make absolutely no sense) but I think we'd all be a lot more comfortable if we didn't see TRIBBLE on our alien lizards.
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The Earth-centricity of many of these comments makes me chuckle.
Yeah, sure, by our reckoning, reptiles with TRIBBLE shouldn't be possible. But you can't say definitively any reptile-like species from a completely different planet is bound by the same rules either in form or function. Gorn-TRIBBLE may be heat-generating glands that keep the blood warm even in colder environments but can't be stored wholly internally because they'd fry the other organs. Hell, maybe we've got Saurian genders backwards and be boob'd ones are male. Not every species keeps their genitals in the same place, after all.*
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I do totally Agree that Gorn, as well as the other 2 KDF races should have females. If they don't give them TRIBBLE, I'm good with them going a similar root with the JJ game, Keeping them totaly reptilian but giving them a noticable differant to the males.
Tho, seeing Saurians, my guess the Devs really don't care about what Animal Group the Species belong to. Also, it may be easier to add Gorn parts to their current Female Model than making a completely new model.
As for the issue for Female Saurians having TRIBBLE. A while ago read something on Cracked.com that might give an Evolutionary Explaination for Saurians, aswell as any other Non-mamal races may have TRIBBLE, not sure if I should say it directly on this forum, but the point being that Woman's TRIBBLE have Nothing to Do with Milk Productions
Female gorns I think are the larger, meaner looking ones.
While I'm not a fan of reptile ****, maybe female gorn could get a different colour pattern to differentiate between genders.
I like the idea of colored crests. Although with terrestrial lizards that's usually the MALE, it doesn't need to be so for alien species. But yes, female Gorn should be the extra-large ones you sometimes see wandering around KDF academy.
'JJ Trek' made money so a new show will probally be his call(or at least Paramount's), so be nice, but given the sucess STO is having atm I can't see it as impossible that with a new show rumored to be in the pipeline and them wanting to keep everyone happy that the cannon won't be nitted together someway along the line and sto might be wedged in there somewhere and therefore we'll get more cool 'stuff' from the movies and the TV shows as it all moves forward.
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Female Gorn have smaller scales closer set eyes and no head spines
they are slightly larger width wise (not taller)
and slightly MORE intelligent than males
Which is different from Kzinti (oh, sorry, "Ferasans" since we're not allowed to use Niven's precious name :rolleyes:), the females of which are more like typical cats.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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Are Ferasan females non-sapient? And if so, are there indications that this may have been because of early genetic engineering? (When Chmeee went to the Map of Kzin on the Ringworld in The Ringworld Engineers, he was astonished to find the female Kzinti there were fully sapient. It rather complicated his plans to conquer the Map of Earth...)
Which is different from Kzinti (oh, sorry, "Ferasans" since we're not allowed to use Niven's precious name :rolleyes:), the females of which are more like typical cats.
Are Ferasan females non-sapient? And if so, are there indications that this may have been because of early genetic engineering? (When Chmeee went to the Map of Kzin on the Ringworld in The Ringworld Engineers, he was astonished to find the female Kzinti there were fully sapient. It rather complicated his plans to conquer the Map of Earth...)
I wouldn't bother trying to compare the Kzinti to directly the Ferasans, especially since female Ferasans are crawling all over KDF ships and seem reasonably capable of operating them...
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I believe Cardassians are actually mammals with reptilian characteristics, not the other way around.
As for the Saurians, they are cold-blooded, totally hairless, completely covered in scales and have slit pupils. Apart from the inexplicable female bosom, they seem 100% reptile to me.
I'll grant we are talking about alien species so some things might simply fall outside terrestrial taxonomic nomenclature, (heck, even on Earth we've got critters like the duck-billed platypus which make absolutely no sense) but I think we'd all be a lot more comfortable if we didn't see TRIBBLE on our alien lizards.
Yes, no maybe with regards to the Cardassians.
I'm not really sure about those.
At least if we go by Mem Beta it's reptilians with mammalian features but that might just as well be the opinion of the article's author.
With wikis it's a bit difficult to seperate facts from opinion on occasion.
I cheacked regarding the Saurians and "cold-blooded" and...well I couldn't find any referenc to it.
Neither on Mem Alphay, Beta or even STO. (They don't get the cold-blooded trait)
I also realize there's another thing that speaks against breats on Gorn: the fact that as far as I recall in most species the males and females share the number of n***les even if the chest shape itself is different in some cases.
The Gorn bare-chest option shows no such physical attributes on the males.
I do totally Agree that Gorn, as well as the other 2 KDF races should have females. If they don't give them TRIBBLE, I'm good with them going a similar root with the JJ game, Keeping them totaly reptilian but giving them a noticable differant to the males.
Tho, seeing Saurians, my guess the Devs really don't care about what Animal Group the Species belong to. Also, it may be easier to add Gorn parts to their current Female Model than making a completely new model.
As for the issue for Female Saurians having TRIBBLE. A while ago read something on Cracked.com that might give an Evolutionary Explaination for Saurians, aswell as any other Non-mamal races may have TRIBBLE, not sure if I should say it directly on this forum, but the point being that Woman's TRIBBLE have Nothing to Do with Milk Productions
Well, there is however a big downside to them as far as reptiles are concerned: armor.
With species like the Gorn you get a powerful natural defense from your scales.
When you put big "airbags" on them...I don't think that helps.
It also impairs movement to some extend.
And as mother nature shows on earth: there are more ways that one to show physical health and attract the opposite gender.
Like colours or horns or sheer size.
So the question is whether there'd be an evolutionary benefit for reptiles to grow these that outweighs their reduced natural defenses.
"You think I am any less female because my young have the strength and ferocity to fend for themselves at their hatching, unlike you mewling mammals who must nourish your soft-bodied offspring by secreting special bodily fluids for them? Pfaugh!"
"You think I am any less female because my young have the strength and ferocity to fend for themselves at their hatching, unlike you mewling mammals who must nourish your soft-bodied offspring by secreting special bodily fluids for them? Pfaugh!"
I somewhat agree with the theory that the large Gorn are female. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Well, there is however a big downside to them as far as reptiles are concerned: armor.
With species like the Gorn you get a powerful natural defense from your scales.
When you put big "airbags" on them...I don't think that helps.
I don't the KDF are bothered about defence, they left a huge hole in the front of the Honour Guard armour.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I don't the KDF are bothered about defence, they left a huge hole in the front of the Honour Guard armour.
ERRMMM...what?
How are those tho tings related?
I mean seriously...Gorn evolution and Klingon-designed armor?
Can someone make sense out of this for me?
Because I think I'll give up on this one.
The "hole" on the front of the Klingon Female outfits is what they call a 'Military Distraction'...
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ERRMMM...what?
How are those tho tings related?
I mean seriously...Gorn evolution and Klingon-designed armor?
Can someone make sense out of this for me?
Because I think I'll give up on this one.
He's talking about the cleavage window for the women wearing Honor Guard armor. Aka "Power Girl Syndrome".
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At least if we go by Mem Beta it's reptilians with mammalian features but that might just as well be the opinion of the article's author.
With wikis it's a bit difficult to seperate facts from opinion on occasion.
If that were true, I believe it would make the creation of a Cardassian-Bajoran hybrid a bit... biologically implausible.
I cheacked regarding the Saurians and "cold-blooded" and...well I couldn't find any referenc to it.
Neither on Mem Alphay, Beta or even STO. (They don't get the cold-blooded trait)
Saurian duty officers all have the cold-blooded trait.
I also realize there's another thing that speaks against breats on Gorn: the fact that as far as I recall in most species the males and females share the number of n***les even if the chest shape itself is different in some cases.
The Gorn bare-chest option shows no such physical attributes on the males.
That's an excellent point. Thanks for bringing that up.
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they are slightly larger width wise (not taller)
and slightly MORE intelligent than males
You can use the same logic and say Gorn females shouldn't have TRIBBLE because where the Gorn come from females don't have them.;)
As far as the Saurians go we don't know much about them.
They seem to be more like Cardassians who are also reptilians with mammalian characteristics: they have scales, they like heat.
But they don't lay eggs and are compatible with mammals.
Gorn lay eggs so they're a whole lot different from Saurians.
I think you know the answer to that one: Remans appeared in the 10th movie to which Cryptic has rights due to its cooperation with CBS.
The Gorn from the game you refer to is based on the 11th movie to which neither CBS nor Cryptic has any rights.
So thse Gorn are out of the question anyway.
My guess is it's more a question of "no template available".
Personally for the Gorn I'd prefer if they used the "female" option to add members of a different caste.
We know from the STO novel "The Needs of the many" the caste system is part of STO's background.:)
No, they look identical to the Male ones.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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I believe Cardassians are actually mammals with reptilian characteristics, not the other way around.
As for the Saurians, they are cold-blooded, totally hairless, completely covered in scales and have slit pupils. Apart from the inexplicable female bosom, they seem 100% reptile to me.
I'll grant we are talking about alien species so some things might simply fall outside terrestrial taxonomic nomenclature, (heck, even on Earth we've got critters like the duck-billed platypus which make absolutely no sense) but I think we'd all be a lot more comfortable if we didn't see TRIBBLE on our alien lizards.
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Yeah, sure, by our reckoning, reptiles with TRIBBLE shouldn't be possible. But you can't say definitively any reptile-like species from a completely different planet is bound by the same rules either in form or function. Gorn-TRIBBLE may be heat-generating glands that keep the blood warm even in colder environments but can't be stored wholly internally because they'd fry the other organs. Hell, maybe we've got Saurian genders backwards and be boob'd ones are male. Not every species keeps their genitals in the same place, after all.*
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While I'm not a fan of reptile ****, maybe female gorn could get a different colour pattern to differentiate between genders.
Tho, seeing Saurians, my guess the Devs really don't care about what Animal Group the Species belong to. Also, it may be easier to add Gorn parts to their current Female Model than making a completely new model.
As for the issue for Female Saurians having TRIBBLE. A while ago read something on Cracked.com that might give an Evolutionary Explaination for Saurians, aswell as any other Non-mamal races may have TRIBBLE, not sure if I should say it directly on this forum, but the point being that Woman's TRIBBLE have Nothing to Do with Milk Productions
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Which is different from Kzinti (oh, sorry, "Ferasans" since we're not allowed to use Niven's precious name :rolleyes:), the females of which are more like typical cats.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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I wouldn't bother trying to compare the Kzinti to directly the Ferasans, especially since female Ferasans are crawling all over KDF ships and seem reasonably capable of operating them...
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Yes, no maybe with regards to the Cardassians.
I'm not really sure about those.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Cardassian
At least if we go by Mem Beta it's reptilians with mammalian features but that might just as well be the opinion of the article's author.
With wikis it's a bit difficult to seperate facts from opinion on occasion.
I cheacked regarding the Saurians and "cold-blooded" and...well I couldn't find any referenc to it.
Neither on Mem Alphay, Beta or even STO. (They don't get the cold-blooded trait)
I also realize there's another thing that speaks against breats on Gorn: the fact that as far as I recall in most species the males and females share the number of n***les even if the chest shape itself is different in some cases.
The Gorn bare-chest option shows no such physical attributes on the males.
Well, there is however a big downside to them as far as reptiles are concerned: armor.
With species like the Gorn you get a powerful natural defense from your scales.
When you put big "airbags" on them...I don't think that helps.
It also impairs movement to some extend.
And as mother nature shows on earth: there are more ways that one to show physical health and attract the opposite gender.
Like colours or horns or sheer size.
So the question is whether there'd be an evolutionary benefit for reptiles to grow these that outweighs their reduced natural defenses.
No, you are confusing him with Jupiter... :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
"You think I am any less female because my young have the strength and ferocity to fend for themselves at their hatching, unlike you mewling mammals who must nourish your soft-bodied offspring by secreting special bodily fluids for them? Pfaugh!"
I somewhat agree with the theory that the large Gorn are female. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I don't the KDF are bothered about defence, they left a huge hole in the front of the Honour Guard armour.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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ERRMMM...what?
How are those tho tings related?
I mean seriously...Gorn evolution and Klingon-designed armor?
Can someone make sense out of this for me?
Because I think I'll give up on this one.
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He's talking about the cleavage window for the women wearing Honor Guard armor. Aka "Power Girl Syndrome".
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Saurian duty officers all have the cold-blooded trait.
That's an excellent point. Thanks for bringing that up.
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