The Starbase Guide, by Mimey

mimey2

(Note: If you already have a fleet and know all the basics, skip to section 4, which will be the 2nd post in this thread)




Hello everyone, has the Starbase system made you feel tense, and impatient?

Well, I hope with this guide I might help make going through the Starbase system more fluid and an easier pill to swallow. There are a few points I'd like to start with before I get into the guide proper:

1. It's still just a game, and it's not going anywhere. Try not to let yourself get discouraged or frustrated over the SB system. Put it aside for awhile, maybe even play something else. Time is on your side for doing this.

2. This guide is not perfect. I'm not trying to make an 'all encompassing' guide which will work 100% guaranteed no matter what. If you don't agree, that's alright to me, I knew going into this that I simply would not have a guide that would be liked by all or completely usable for all fleets. This guide is also not meant to be a guide to actually running a fleet, because there are simply too many ways that could happen; it's focus lies on the actual leveling of the fleet holdings and such.

3. This is not going to be a short read. Might be good to not read this whole thing in one shot if you don't have a lot of time.

4. Here's an important one: The fleet system is designed around 25 people (not characters or alts, actual accounts) playing at a fairly regular pace. So try and keep that in mind when reading this, and perhaps adjust some of it accordingly based on your fleet size.


Ok, now to begin:



Section 1: The Fleet Advancement System

The Fleet Advancement System was something introduced with Season 6. This introduced the Fleet Starbase as the first, and primary holding. Season 7 introduced the Embassy, as the first 'Outpost', which is a smaller, secondary holding that is cheaper and quicker to build as compared to the Starbase. As time as gone on, more of these similar outposts have been introduced, and will probably continue to be..

Each holding is made up of various areas which you fill projects to gain experience for, and then 'level up' through various tiers. Every tier improves the look of the holding in some fashion, along with unlocking various things for the fleet to buy.

There are two areas for projects: Normal projects, and Special projects.

Normal projects are your primary means of gaining experience in the holding. These projects include for each area: Basic provisioning (dil cost only), provisioning for X, a 'pure experience' mission, and also possibly a 'lesser experience' mission.

Special projects are Upgrades and Special projects. Special projects (for the Starbase only) are designed purely for the sake of allowing larger fleets to give more people more chances to gain fleet credits. All special projects like this also only give a very small amount of experience as well.

Featured Projects are also slotted in the special project slot. These add to varying degrees enhancements on the inside of a holding (such as opening the shutters on the Starbase, adding a fish tank, and so on).

Upgrades are generally the most important, and most expensive part of the holding to upgrade. These are divided into three as well: Individual tier upgrades, overall holding upgrades, and special upgrades.

Individual tier upgrades are important because they are what you need to continue advancing in an area of a holding. If these upgrades are not completed, you are locked out of most missions in that area until it is done. Overall upgrades are the most expensive upgrades of all, because they are what enhance the main area of a holding (Starbase itself, or the Embassy, and so on). Special upgrades are cheaper compared to most other upgrades, but add other unique services and conveniences, like allowing a Bartender on the Starbase.



Section 2: Starting from Zero

Now, for the sake of this guide, it will be as if you are just starting out.

To make a fleet, you and 4 other people must be on a team together, and go to the person who can make a fleet on Qo'nos or ESD. It's a fairly simple process. Once completed, you and your fleet should discuss what is actually wanted by everyone.

Try and steadily narrow it down until there's an agreed upon choice. A few points I'd like to recommend though:

1. If focusing on an Outpost, do note that Outpost Provisions (called 'Embassy Provisions' and similar names for other areas) are gotten from your replicator and cost Fleet Credits to make, not normal Energy Credits. Also, they are cheaper based on your Industrial Fabricator on your Starbase.

2. The Starbase itself starts out at tier 0, and it has hull and shields, but otherwise cannot defend itself in the PvE missions of Starbase Defense, Fleet Alert, and Blockade. So it's a good idea to at least get it to tier 1, so it can shoot at attackers if you ever do these missions.

3. Going on the above, leveling up your science area can be an excellent means of doing that, because after you upgrade the Communications Array, you will be able to upgrade the Transwarp Gate to tier 1, which will give everyone in the fleet the option to transwarp to the Starbase.

4. Upgrading everything to tier 1 is useful, simply so you have access to all the basic facilities, particularly so you can begin provisioning missions. This isn't required, but it is very useful to have. Also, once you get an area to tier 2 on the Starbase only (such as the shipyard), you will be able to buy common DOFFs of that area (tac, eng, sci) from the DOFF guy on the Starbase, making it easier to fill projects of that type by spending FCs to do so. I will explain a bit more about that in the next section.


Section 3: Projects

So now that you've begun working on an area, it's time to slot some projects. At tier 0, your choices are pretty few, but once you've gotten an upgrade done and out of the way, your options open up a lot more. Projects generally need a mixture of the following:

Fleet marks
Dilithium
Duty Officers
Expertise
Commodities
Outpost Provisions
Data Samples/Particle Traces
Other

The first five are pretty much the staple requirements. Outpost Provisions are needed on all the various Outpost missions, Data Samples/Particle Traces are mostly for the Science area on the Starbase, and Other refers to things that aren't used as much or used for certain things (like buying a lot of 'Food' and 'Drink' items to get a Chef on your Starbase).

Here's some ways of getting each of the above:

Fleet Marks are gained in a large variety of ways. This includes, as of the time of writing this guide: Fleet Action Daily (one of three), PvP Daily (one of three), PvE queued missions, Officer of the Watch Daily, Duty Officer turn-ins, and the Deferi ground adventure zone. This guide itself won't be going over any of these things individually, but feel free to ask and I will gladly help out.

Dilithium. Well this one is pretty much your choice. You can buy it with Zen, or earn it in game, in a large variety of ways. It'd take way too long to go over every possible choice here.

Expertise is gained while leveling up, and normally used to train your BOFFs up in their skills. Once you hit level 50, it's easily gotten through doing almost anything.

Outpost Provisions, as mentioned, these are gotten from your replicator.

Data Samples/Particle Traces. Aside from buying them off the Exchange, you can farm them by scanning anomalies in various missions and star clusters, along with Duty Officer missions (usually under the science category). If you do the normal dilithium mining each day, that will also usually gain you particle traces. Some of the Astrometric Scientist DOFFs can give extra chances to gain more Particle Traces when you scan anomalies, which can help ease the trouble of getting those.

Commodities can be replicated, but I don't recommend it for large amounts due to the cost. Instead it's a very good idea to look at the various cheaper vendors that can be found throughout the game, both on the various hubs (like DS9) and galactic map. On top of this, the Tuffli Freighter and Suliban Cell Ship is extremely useful, because it has a Quartermaster who will always sell them for the lower prices. Plus, for Federation players only, if you have a Ferengi character, you will get a discount with the other cheaper prices.

Also, for any fleet who's unlocked tier 2 Embassy, there's a special upgrade which can unlock a commodity vendor at the Embassy who will sell some of the more expensive commodities for an excellent price. In fact with this vendor, you can get some of the most expensive commodities for the cheapest anywhere, even with a Ferengi buying them from somewhere else. (It is worth noting that with this special vendor, the Ferengi's do not get an extra discount)

Duty Officers. Past buying them off the Exchange, you can buy DOFFs out of your Starbase using Fleet Credits. Doing that is a good way to basically re-use your FCs for the sake of the fleet, and fill out projects. It's also a good idea to do your recruitment missions at the Academy (can be done at a high enough tier Starbase), to get extra DOFFs once in awhile.

There are also plenty of DOFF missions to get them outside of normal recruitment. Such as taking a higher level DOFF and de-grinding it into 3 lower level ones. A purple can turn into 27 white DOFFs if you so chose by doing this method. There's also various things such as doing exchanges, which is where you take one DOFF and turn it into another DOFF (Officer Exchange, Asylums, and others).

Doing Duty Officer missions can be quite useful in the long haul, because when you gain 110,000 exp in an area, you can go to your Starbase, and turn 10,000 of that exp into 75 fleet marks (100 on a critical success), guaranteed. Over time, if you DOFF heavily that can add up considerably, especially if you do even one turn in a day. Add in multiple people and/or multiple characters per person, and it will add up considerably. Theoretically, a person or group of people doing that enough could fill up fleet marks without ever doing anything else, if they did enough DOFFing.

(Continued in the next post)

mimey2

Section 4: Building the Starbase

Now that I've gone over all the basics in the previous sections, this section will mostly cover ways to build your Starbase in an efficient manner, particularly for smaller fleets. This shouldn't be taken as 'rules' or anything though, mostly suggestions that I've noticed seem to work very well, or have been in turn suggested to me. (Going on that note, if for anything related to this guide, you want to make a suggestion over, feel free to say so)

1. To start with, try not to stretch your fleet too thin. Meaning that if you can only handle filling one, maybe two projects relatively easily, try and keep it only to those projects. That will allow you to keep a decent progression going on your Starbase without feeling like you have 'too much to handle'.

2. Keep a long-term plan in mind.This is more applied to not just the person/group who slots projects, but the fleet as a whole. The road is not a short journey, and it's good to always keep that in mind. Try not to over think on the 'now', and look forward to the 'then'.

3. Focus on upgrades. These aren't quick, or easy to fill, and even when filled, take awhile to countdown. So when you get one slotted, it might be good not to slot projects (or slot fewer ones), until it is finished. This might seem a bit...controlling, but it is useful, because the focus, especially at the higher tiers, to finish an upgrade can be very useful if it means it gets going within a reasonable time.

4. Dilithium is rarely your friend. Dilithium, more than any other thing needed, can majorly hamper any fleet without those willing to give it in large quantities. Because rarely have I seen people donate 'a little' dilithium for something, and mostly it is usually those who give a large donation (mostly for upgrades) instead. On top of that, people simply need dil for other things, such as reputation gear, buying things from the SB itself, and so on.

5. Going on the above, it's good to avoid slotting too many dilithium-required projects if you are purely wanted to level your Starbase. (This is unavoidable on the Outposts, you have to have projects that will always need dil) Everything else can be bought somehow, except fleet marks, so it can be handled if you have a big enough EC wallet. Dil however is still limited without exchanging Zen for it.

6. If you need to skip something to make the Starbase progression go more smoothly, then skip it. This really applies to anything you feel it might apply to. A good example would be a Starbase or Outpost upgrade. While it can be nice, if you don't feel you have to have it now, then skip it. Unless there's some factor that prevents too much leveling that I don't know about at this time, you can feel ok to skip some upgrades.

(I don't have any other advice for this particular area at this time, but feel free to say anything you might want me to add, or I may add in other things I think of in the future.)


Section 5: Preparing for upgrades

As mentioned earlier, upgrades are the biggest changing, and most expensive projects of all. As an example for this guide, the Tier 3 Embassy upgrade costs the following:

21,000 Fleet Marks
2,000,000 Dilithium
2,500,000 Expertise
13,000 Seismic Stabilizers
10,000 Terraforming Systems
1,000 Embassy Provisions

(Note: These are the base numbers, and do not take into account any discounts you might have from a dilithium mine)

That's quite the hefty price tag for a single project. While it can be difficult to handle such a thing, if you're willing to break it down, it isn't quite so bad.

To begin, it has one nice thing in that there's no DOFF requirement. So all you need is lots of dil, FMs, Embassy provisions, and ECs. Both the Stabilizers and the Terraforming Systems can also be bought from the Embassy vendor as mentioned above.

The biggest thing you need to always look at when you are slotting a big upgrade, is this: Pre-grinding.

Pre-grinding can be extremely useful to fill projects, and especially upgrades. In particular, if you start pre-grinding a couple weeks in advance, you will find that when the upgrade hits, it won't hit quite so hard. I do admit that it can be extremely tedious and boring to pre-grind, but it makes these a lot easier over the longer term.

Pre-grinding more refers to the gathering of dilithium, and in particular, Fleet Marks. To get even more specific, pre-grinding Deferi Invasion Zone and Nukara Prime before the fleet mark event. Here's an example of just how fast this can add up:

Take a team of 5 players, who pre-grind Deferi hards each day then turn them in during the bonus mark event, on three different toons each, for a week, and say they gain 350 marks each day from doing this, for the sake of keeping it simple. Now that may sound a bit confusing, but here's the math:

350 Fleet Marks times 5 people is 1,750 marks. Times that by 3 characters per person and it becomes 5,250 marks. And then if they do that for a week, or 7 days, then it's suddenly 36,750 marks! Now, that might seem like it's too much for that project, you would've had enough at the fourth day, which would put them at 21,000 fleet marks on the dot. However, you still have to keep in consideration that you will need to still fill projects in that time period as well. Besides, even if you didn't need them, you can never have too many Fleet Marks.

Now, on top of that, say that these same 5 people grind 8,000 dil on each of their three toons. The math would look a bit more like this:

8,000 times 5 is 40,000. Times that by 3 characters per person and it jumps to 120,000. Times that by 7 days again and it becomes 840,000 dilithium.

You might think to yourself that, 'wait, that's not even half the needed dilithium'. I admit that's true. However, it is referred to as 'pre-grinding' for that reason. Unless you know you will have it the moment the upgrade is slotted, pre-grinding is meant to only take off a big chunk in one shot from the start.

Think about it though. Between those 5 people knocking out the fleet marks and so much dilithium, they've already gotten through a LOT of the effort right there. If these 5 also bought the necessary commodities beforehand (including the Embassy provisions), split equally between them, they could knock out 95% of the whole upgrade in the course of about 5 minutes from the time it was slotted.

Pre-grinding can be an extremely effective tool, and can even allow the smallest of fleets, who are willing to work at it, progress and fill projects at a very good rate, and even knock out the biggest of upgrades with ease. The reality will be different from my example, that's true, but I hope it was good to show you the usefulness of it.



Section 6: Provisions.

I'll keep this part a bit shorter. The most important thing I can say for a small(er) fleet is this: Provision only as necessary.

Provision missions are generally the more annoying ones to fill, almost always requiring dilithium for one thing, and otherwise not giving many provisions in general at the lower tiers. At the higher tiers they can be downright painful to fill.

So if you are in a fleet who doesn't have many members, it might be wise to ignore provision missions, except if people want something. Some of the provisions can be out right ignored completely, such as Operational Asset provisions, the Skill Bonus provisions, etc. The more generally desired provisions ones lie with the Fleet ships, the Engineering Gear, and the Science Gear (for the SB at least). The various Outposts only have two different provision missions for options, so you don't have much choice on what you do for those.

Even if you do provision, only provision what you need. If only a couple folks want a fleet ship, only one mission will do. If a bunch of people are itching to upgrade to Fleet Defiants or something like that, might be wise to do a couple.


Final Section: The Undiscovered Country

I don't know what will happen regarding Fleet Holdings in the future. What they may require, what they may give, how much they will cost, and so on. I certainly don't know. What could work one day that is mentioned in this guide, could be completely nullified or broken through a single patch, who knows. Things are always changing in the game.

This guide might change quite a bit in the future as well. In fact, I don't consider this 'finished' in the respect that I don't know what could be added, changed, removed, etc. I do however hope that it has been of help to everyone who has read this, however little or much that may be.

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my thread I made a couple months ago, along with those who I talked to in-game or the forums, that provided a very excellent foundation for making this guide. And of course, thank you for reading this as well.

mimey2

The Dilithium Mine, added shortly after the expansion, "Legacy of Romulus" was released, is the 3rd Fleet Holding, after the Starbase and Embassy. Compared to the other two holdings (and future possible holdings), the Dilithium Mine is more focused around it's discounts that it can give, not so much the gear, though there is gear available. The mine is focused into three areas:

The mine itself: It's focus is to give dilithium discounts on all fleet projects. It also unlocks various dailies that can be completed once a day to give further dilithium to fleet members. And on top of that, it can also unlock dilithium discounts for individual players for all items that require dilithium to be purchased; meaning any store where dil is a currency needed such as: Fleet stores, the dil-store you can pull down under your mini-map, rep gear stores, etc.

Development: It's focus lies with fleet mark discounts. Past that, it also unlocks various 'miner' DOFFs, and DOFF assignments that can be completed as many times as you want. These DOFF assignments are made better at each tier, offering better rewards on a completion. Both will give good amounts of Trade and Development DOFF XP, while one will give an EC reward, and the other one a Dil reward. If you crit a mission, you will also receive Dilithium Mine Provisions, along with Fleet Marks.

Important note: The DOFF missions that are unlocked are overridden at each tier. So, the lower tier missions, when you unlock the higher tier missions, are gotten rid of, in favor of the higher tier missions.

Development also unlocks Warp Cores and Singularity Cores, both Advanced and Elite level.

Trade: Trade's focus is in the discount of 'everything else', which is pretty much just that, any other input needed for a Starbase project. This includes things such as DOFFs, commodities, and so on. Trade also unlocks fleet engineering consoles. These consoles are Neutronium, Monotanium, and RCS consoles with an extra effect, such as a turn-rate bonus on Neutronium alloy consoles, or a [ResAll] bonus on an RCS console.



A few things to keep in mind in regards to the dil mine:

1. All normal projects can still require dilithium to be filled, and all upgrades except for the dilithium mine upgrades also require dilithium.

2. The discounts it gives are retroactive, meaning that if you finish an upgrade, it immediately applies the discount to all current and future projects.

3. The discounts stack. So tier 1 in each area will unlock a 4% discount, and tier 2 a 5% discount, which instead means a total of a 9% discount, along with a 6% discount at tier 3 for a total of 15% when all is said and done.

4. The discounts should be looked at from a long-term viewpoint. If your fleet feels like the discounts, especially if you are just starting out, are not large enough to warrant the resources needed for them, then it is probably best to hold out. On the other end of the spectrum however, any discounts that are unlocked, are unlocked for good, and thus will always apply to every project, upgrade, and new holding from there on out.

5. You MUST finish the upgrade on either tier 1 trade or development, along with finishing the tier 1 dil mine upgrade, in order to be able to go to the ground map of the mine itself, and do anything there, including the DOFF missions, buying gear, etc.

If you have any questions regarding the Dilithium mine, or any other part of the guide, please feel free to ask.


Other useful info:

This area will be for any kind of info or anything else that someone sends me somehow, which I feel is very useful for building an SB.

phyrexianhero wrote: »

fleet holding costs, list of starbase projects, and list of embassy projects

dabelgrave wrote: »

I put together a spreadsheet that can help determine how much a fleet has spent, and can expect to spend: http://bit.ly/STOFleetValue

malakhglitch

Nice one mimey.

drkfrontiers

Hi Mimey,

Awesome work! Would you mind if I do a feature on this in the next magazine?

I would also like to add this as a spotlight to the new Boot Camp site I am working on detailing Starbases in STO, and how to get the most out of them from a PvP-point-of-view.

Cheers,
@drkfrontiers

mimey2

malakhglitch wrote: »

Nice one mimey.

Thanks. It was a lot of work, but well worth it.

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Hi Mimey,

Awesome work! Would you mind if I do a feature on this in the next magazine?

I would also like to add this as a spotlight to the new Boot Camp site I am working on detailing Starbases in STO, and how to get the most out of them from a PvP-point-of-view.

Cheers,
@drkfrontiers

Sure. I would love to see that. I didn't really want to before, because I wanted to finish this guide proper first before I looked at what else to do after it.

But now that I am done, I don't mind at all. If you need any help or anything else, feel free to lemme know.

gradstudent1

This is a remarkable guide, Mimey. I can't imagine how much time it took you to put htis together! Wow!

phyrexianhero

Excellent work. I'd suggest including a link to the fleet holding costs, list of starbase projects, and list of embassy projects as a tool for people to decide if the cost is worth it, and prepare for upcoming projects.

naevius

Also, you might mention that the Fleet system is designed around 25-person fleets, according to Cryptic. Smaller fleets will have a tougher slog.

captainmikec

this is excellent, the part about provisioning was enlightening
ill pass this on to the other officers in my fleet for them to read!! :cool:

now can someone please direct me to a place where i can see the stats/price for the fleet space/ground items so i can compare them with the normal Mk XII items?
I have checked a few times in the wiki and in general internet searches and cant find info on their stats or their cost.
So its hard to decide if they are worth waiting for and investing in, or just skipping for normal gear .... especially since we started a provisioning task for fleet ground items now
are they worth that 200k DL task?

drogyn1701

You do the best guides Mimey.

Question: where do you get the unbound DOFF pack. I've looked on my fleet's starbase and the only ones I see are bind on pickup. Could it be an unlock we don't have yet?

kirisee

captainmikec wrote: »

this is excellent, the part about provisioning was enlightening
ill pass this on to the other officers in my fleet for them to read!! :cool:

now can someone please direct me to a place where i can see the stats/price for the fleet space/ground items so i can compare them with the normal Mk XII items?
I have checked a few times in the wiki and in general internet searches and cant find info on their stats or their cost.
So its hard to decide if they are worth waiting for and investing in, or just skipping for normal gear .... especially since we started a provisioning task for fleet ground items now
are they worth that 200k DL task?

Hi captainmikec,

You may want to note there are two kinds of provisioning missions available, one requires 200k Dil and the other commodities, doffs etc and takes longer to finish (but i think its alot cheaper)

idrona

Thumbs up Mimey.

dabelgrave

I put together a spreadsheet that can help determine how much a fleet has spent, and can expect to spend: http://bit.ly/STOFleetValue

captainmikec

kirisee wrote: »

Hi captainmikec,

You may want to note there are two kinds of provisioning missions available, one requires 200k Dil and the other commodities, doffs etc and takes longer to finish (but i think its alot cheaper)

yea i noticed that, unfortunatly the person that actually started that provision mission wasnt paying attention to which they selected....... so now we are stuck with it

i just hope the items for the science provisions like shields are worth it....?
is there anywhere that has a list or pics of them?
it kinda stinks working toward items and being blind as to how useful they are

mimey2

phyrexianhero wrote: »

Excellent work. I'd suggest including a link to the fleet holding costs, list of starbase projects, and list of embassy projects as a tool for people to decide if the cost is worth it, and prepare for upcoming projects.

And an excellent suggestion at that. I'll be adding that to the third post, as an 'Extra Useful Info' section.

naevius wrote: »

Also, you might mention that the Fleet system is designed around 25-person fleets, according to Cryptic. Smaller fleets will have a tougher slog.

Also good. I'll be adding that to the first post.

drogyn1701 wrote: »

You do the best guides Mimey.

Question: where do you get the unbound DOFF pack. I've looked on my fleet's starbase and the only ones I see are bind on pickup. Could it be an unlock we don't have yet?

Thanks. But unbound DOFF pack? Oh, you mean the single DOFFs you can buy from the DOFF guy, right? Those used to be unbound awhile back, but at some point they changed it to be bound to character.

dabelgrave wrote: »

I put together a spreadsheet that can help determine how much a fleet has spent, and can expect to spend: http://bit.ly/STOFleetValue

Thanks for that as well. I'll also add that to the useful info section.

drogyn1701

So the ones on the exchange are old versions?

hevach

A suggested addendum to tips 4 and 5: Dilithium can sometimes be your friend. Or at least, the lesser of two evils when compared to duty officers. Consider tier 4, wich you'll be grinding through longer than the entire first three tiers:

1000 xp projects require 90 doffs each of two departments. This is 5.6 xp/doff, and suffers from department imbalance - 90 science doffs are easy since it's a large department with many specializations, but 90 medical doffs are difficult, it's a small department with only a few options.

500 XP projects have Eng and Sci options with no doff inputs. All three departments have options that take 25 doffs from either department, eliminating imbalance and giving 20 xp/doff. Military has an option that takes 55 from any non-civilian department (cheap abundant science doffs can do the bulk of the work) and gives 9.1 xp/doff. Have to be careful, however, since operational asset projects give 500 xp and take 100 doffs each from two departments, making them 2.5 xp/doff.

The trade off is that you're taking 50-80k dilithium instead.

It comes down to the fleet's situation. The four main shortages fleets run into are dilithium, doffs, fleet credits, and provisions.

Dilithium shortages call for dilithium-free 1000 xp projects
Doff shortages call for doff-light 500 xp projects
FC shortages call for special projects and/or cost-inefficient 500 xp projects
Provisioning shortages obviously call for 500 xp provisioning projects, or the quick 0 XP dilithium-to-provision projects.

It takes some experimentation, but a little bit of planned economy communism goes a long way with a starbase.

In my experience, larger fleets have their biggest problems with FC shortages - same inputs divided among more people. They can go either way on the doff vs. dilithium thing - it's often easier to wrangle a few hundred dilithium here or there than it is to get people to sacrifice enough flesh to sate your ravenous blood god, but if your fleet has a lot of recent VAs their personal dilithium use will be high and there's not much to spare for the fleet. If your fleet has a lot of well established characters, though, their last real project may be the very slow process of building up an ideal crew and their dilithium is expendable while doffs are hoarded.


Very small fleets, due to refining and recruitment limits, often have a shortage of both dilithium and doffs. However, they are also likely to have an abundance of fleet credits with fewer members sharing the same costs. Excess fleet credits can easily be turned into doffs, which helps ease the doff shortage, but is very inefficient, particularly with science projects where you can generate hundreds of extra science doffs to get those 90 medical ones.

mimey2

hevach wrote: »

A suggested addendum to tips 4 and 5: Dilithium can sometimes be your friend. Or at least, the lesser of two evils when compared to duty officers. Consider tier 4, wich you'll be grinding through longer than the entire first three tiers:

1000 xp projects require 90 doffs each of two departments. This is 5.6 xp/doff, and suffers from department imbalance - 90 science doffs are easy since it's a large department with many specializations, but 90 medical doffs are difficult, it's a small department with only a few options.

500 XP projects have Eng and Sci options with no doff inputs. All three departments have options that take 25 doffs from either department, eliminating imbalance and giving 20 xp/doff. Military has an option that takes 55 from any non-civilian department (cheap abundant science doffs can do the bulk of the work) and gives 9.1 xp/doff. Have to be careful, however, since operational asset projects give 500 xp and take 100 doffs each from two departments, making them 2.5 xp/doff.

The trade off is that you're taking 50-80k dilithium instead.

It comes down to the fleet's situation. The four main shortages fleets run into are dilithium, doffs, fleet credits, and provisions.

Dilithium shortages call for dilithium-free 1000 xp projects
Doff shortages call for doff-light 500 xp projects
FC shortages call for special projects and/or cost-inefficient 500 xp projects
Provisioning shortages obviously call for 500 xp provisioning projects, or the quick 0 XP dilithium-to-provision projects.

It takes some experimentation, but a little bit of planned economy communism goes a long way with a starbase.

In my experience, larger fleets have their biggest problems with FC shortages - same inputs divided among more people. They can go either way on the doff vs. dilithium thing - it's often easier to wrangle a few hundred dilithium here or there than it is to get people to sacrifice enough flesh to sate your ravenous blood god, but if your fleet has a lot of recent VAs their personal dilithium use will be high and there's not much to spare for the fleet. If your fleet has a lot of well established characters, though, their last real project may be the very slow process of building up an ideal crew and their dilithium is expendable while doffs are hoarded.


Very small fleets, due to refining and recruitment limits, often have a shortage of both dilithium and doffs. However, they are also likely to have an abundance of fleet credits with fewer members sharing the same costs. Excess fleet credits can easily be turned into doffs, which helps ease the doff shortage, but is very inefficient, particularly with science projects where you can generate hundreds of extra science doffs to get those 90 medical ones.

To start, there is one bit of good news regarding this DOFF inbalance. The other day, Borticus mentioned they may change it so that all missions that need DOFFs, require a mixture of whatever area they normally need. Like an 1k xp mission would need a mixture of 180 Tac/Security DOFFs, instead of the 90/90 split it has now. So hope and pray that they do it, because it'll make life a lot less painful.

I admit, that much of what you brought up, I did consider a lot. I probably spent a week thinking about that alone, asking people what they thought, etc. In the end though I went with what I went with, because of this: "ECs and FCs can always be gotten in any amount, dilithium is always limited without exchanging Zen for it."

I felt that while you are indeed right, sometimes dil can be the better choice, there's just TOO many things it can potentially go to for people. Even if a person was totally selfless about donating their dil, the moment they wanted any piece of fleet gear, or something outta rep, or anything else, suddenly they are going to have to slow down their dil donations considerably. Yes there can be others, but if they also want to buy things, it can suddenly change a lot in regards to the Starbase getting dilithium.

Something I did mention though is that a fleet should slot only what they can handle. If they can easily fill 1, maybe 2 dilithium-requiring projects without too much trouble, then they totally should. But if that's an issue, it's better in the longer run to have a DOFf-heavy mission, because you can always have easy access to DOFFs by buying them.

drogyn1701 wrote: »

So the ones on the exchange are old versions?

Yes, that is correct. Still gives all the same DOFFs though.

elessym

Additional tips for economizing:

Since each tier is more expensive (in terms of resources/XP) than the one before, there are a couple of things that can be done to get the most bang for the buck.

1) Just before getting to the next tier, queue up the maximum number of projects (that would be 2x 1000 XP and 4x 500 XP). If you do this when you're 500 XP from the next tier, that'll be 2500 XP that you're getting for the previous tier's costs. It's a pretty decent boost at the lower levels.

2) The same holds true for fleet provisions. Provisions will never be cheaper than they are at Tier 1 (well, except for Personal Requisitions which are clearly bugged.) This would argue that, as much as possible, you should prioritize provisions early on.

3) There are projects that you must do to advance (Shipyard, Fabricator, Comm Array), and then there are projects that can be done any time after attaining the prereqs (Starbase, various vendor/officers, etc...) Since the costs for these projects are fixed, it benefits you to put those off as long as you can stand to.

For example - the Upgrade Starbase I project can be done as soon as you get 1 of the categories to tier 1, and it grants 1500 XP in each category. If you do it right away, you get the benefit of 1500 XP at tier 1 prices and 3000 XP at tier 0 prices. On the other hand, if you waited until everything was at tier 4, you'd get the effect of 4500 XP at tier 4 prices. (Just looking at Dil. costs for the 1000 XP projects, that's a benefit of 57k Dil vs 324k Dil.)

drogyn1701

mimey2 wrote: »

Yes, that is correct. Still gives all the same DOFFs though.

Well I was hoping to buy a bunch with my current players with their excess of fleet credits and stick them in the bank for my Romulans, but oh well. Thanks for the answers guys!

mimey2

drogyn1701 wrote: »

Well I was hoping to buy a bunch with my current players with their excess of fleet credits and stick them in the bank for my Romulans, but oh well. Thanks for the answers guys!

Indeed. Shame they aren't account bound. But the DOFFs you get aren't bound, so if you open the boxes, you can still mail the DOFFs to yourself. It's an extremely annoying and slow process, but it can work.

ddesjardins

Yes, you can send doffs in the mail - it's time consuming but it does give you a much needed boost and way to spend those fleet credits.

One note about fleet doffs: check them before you donate. Some uncommon doffs sell up to 300K - so don't donate them to you fleet, sell them instead and buy 3x more of what you need. Takes a few minutes to watch for.

Dilithium is the only thing (other than ec and unbound gear) you can share between characters. It appears to work on Tribble.

drogyn1701

Good suggestions, thanks!

Hey mimey, how about a DOFF system guide? I'm sure there's more strategy that I could put into it than I am now.

richardless77

Good read Mimey. Just wondering where u have the time to write these guides AND manage our starbase. kudos bro

mimey2

richardless77 wrote: »

Good read Mimey. Just wondering where u have the time to write these guides AND manage our starbase. kudos bro

Thanks Fourth. It was some mondo work, but well worth it.

drogyn1701 wrote: »

Good suggestions, thanks!

Hey mimey, how about a DOFF system guide? I'm sure there's more strategy that I could put into it than I am now.

A DOFF system guide? Phew, that would be a BIG project. It's also just not an area I know enough about in detail. I mean, I know enough to do it pretty well, and DOFF on my own...but an all-encompassing guide? I like the idea, but I don't feel it's something I want to look at.

I have however been thinking about a trio of new guides, in a way. These wouldn't be large guides, but starter guides on each of the three factions. It'd be made a few weeks after (at the earliest) LoR was released. But in these smaller guides I would talk about the advantages, playstyles, and general ship choices of each faction, and other details folks might really want me to add in.



In the meantime however, what do you all think of me adding in a section on EVERYTHING you can buy from the Starbase/Embassy? Not a list of prices, but some info on what all this stuff actually does. I would skip over fleet ships though, but I would talk about everything else.

This idea is mostly so that way people can decide if they even wanna bother getting those things. Like the Op Assets are fun toys to use (I'm REALLY REALLY looking forward to using Scimitar Reinforcements in a few days), but cannot be used outside of a few missions. Or the Skill Boosts you can buy are nice, but it can take a long long time to get to the higher tier ones. Along with some general info on what all the Advanced and Elite level gear can do.

(On that as well, can someone link me a pic to all the Elite Fed pets as well? I know there's been a couple posts on em, but I can't remember where those threads were now)

What do you all think of that?

mimey2

Well, once the dilithium mine is added, I will be going over it with a fine tooth comb and seeing how it affects things regarding the projects and such.

So we'll see what happens with it.

mimey2

Well, now that life finally allowed me a breather, I was able to write a new section in regards to the Dilthium mine. Feel free to check it out on the first page of this thread, 3rd post down.

bones1970

mimey2 wrote: »

21,000 Fleet Marks
2,000,000 Dilithium
2,500,000 Expertise
13,000 Seismic Stabilizers
10,000 Terraforming Systems
1,000 Embassy Provisions

Its 25.000.000 Expertise (yes, its not a typo.)
Great work and a must read.

mimey2

bones1970 wrote: »

Its 25.000.000 Expertise (yes, its not a typo.)
Great work and a must read.

Right, forgot about that after all this time. Thank you, I have fixed that error.

centaurianalpha

So once you've got a Fleet, and have a Federation starbase underway, how do you add the Romulan side to the Fleet? Our fleet hasn't got a Romulan wing (yet), and I wasn't privvy to the original Fleet creation, but I'm willing to spearhead the next wing. I just need to know how it ties in with the other Fleet holdings...