You're already playing "the Federation Captain" or "the KDF Captain" in a pre-defined plot with zero player input. Pretending otherwise in a scripted Cryptic mission is rather misguided.
Hehe.... except that not all of the plot is actually dictated to you. Why is your character in the KDF? Is he a warrior from one of the Klingon Houses seeking Honor and Glory for the sake of the Empire? Or is he an Orion Pirate who plays by the KDF rules only as much as he has to? THAT is very much left open to the player's imagination in the current implementation, and I like that aspect of STO.
Hehe.... except that not all of the plot is actually dictated to you. Why is your character in the KDF? Is he a warrior from one of the Klingon Houses seeking Honor and Glory for the sake of the Empire? Or is he an Orion Pirate who plays by the KDF rules only as much as he has to? THAT is very much left open to the player's imagination in the current implementation, and I like that aspect of STO.
Some of which might be relevant if there was content that took into account a character's backstory. But there isn't. In addition, none of that changes the fact that everything you do is already pre-scripted, nor does it change the fact that Cryptic has done almost nothing to cultivate relateable characters, be they friendly or otherwise, to utilize in their stories.
Choosing to RP a specific type of character is all well and good, but pretending that said RPing has any impact on Cryptic's story is fairly irrational.
People said they wanted to be Romulans. They did not say that they wanted to play the Romulan Star Empire. Perhaps some did, but generally speaking - people said they wanted to play Romulans.
There was no need to make the distinction.
I mean, Romulan freedom fighters is so bad a story I would rather play as a non-affiliated Romulan who, in the aftermath of some battle, was found and rescued by (insert Fed/KDF) and joins them out of gratitude.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
I mean, Romulan freedom fighters is so bad a story I would rather play as a non-affiliated Romulan who, in the aftermath of some battle, was found and rescued by (insert Fed/KDF) and joins them out of gratitude.
Not everyone feels that way. I'm personally looking foraward to it.
Not everyone feels that way. I'm personally looking foraward to it.
Of course. Obviously there is a huge divide going on here. However, there really wasn't much of a precedent for the RR before. Romulan was pretty much synonymous with the Romulan Star Empire. Taking 'people want to play romulans' and getting 'people want to play freedom fighters who happen to be romulan' out of that is obviously going to be a controversial move on Cryptic's part.
If you are looking forward to it or not, It think it's pretty evident that this development came out of left field, and was not what people were asking for out of a Romulan faction, generally speaking.
I'm Personally not looking forward to it, it's a complete 180 from the classic TNG-era Romulans.
But yeah like the other guy said, the poll wasn't about playing the RSE, it was about playing as romulans.
Saying that the important part is being a Romulan and not being part of their traditional culture.... that's semantics at best and a child trying to get out trouble for doing something bad lol. It'd be like the only way to play as a human would be to play as a member of a breakaway non federation colony and joining a generic trope of a "rebel alliance" group instead of starfleet.
The story has already been told on DS9, I want to play a Romulan not a Bajorian.
Well, you start off by buying CBS and Paramount from Sumner Redstone. Then you erase the Trek canon where Romulus was destroyed. Then you drop about $20 million into your own game company and make a Romulan Faction exactly the way you like it. Easy-peasy
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The story has already been told on DS9, I want to play a Romulan not a Bajorian.
I have to jump in here and say this (and I know it's going to potentially further derail things so I apologize): the Bajoran analogy is completely out of left field.
The only similarity between the two situations is one group being oppressed by another. Bajor didn't invade itself. Bajor isn't fighting a civil war against its own authoritarian Empire and their absurdly cliched Gestapo-wannabe's. Bajor isn't facing a cultural revolution based on the long-lost genetic offshoot they've been raging at for centuries.
The story has already been told on DS9, I want to play a Romulan not a Bajorian.
Yeah, cause it's obviously the same story. :rolleyes:
And btw, at this point, how do you know how the story will evolve and where is Cryptic planning to take it in the future? Would you mind lending me that crystal ball, I feel like playing the lottery this weekend.
I mean, Romulan freedom fighters is so bad a story I would rather play as a non-affiliated Romulan who, in the aftermath of some battle, was found and rescued by (insert Fed/KDF) and joins them out of gratitude.
Precisely. We've gone from a nation of sneaky green hobgoblins to a race of Drizzt Do'Urdens. :rolleyes:
Yeah, cause it's obviously the same story. :rolleyes:
And btw, at this point, how do you know how the story will evolve and where is Cryptic planning to take it in the future? Would you mind lending me that crystal ball, I feel like playing the lottery this weekend.
I have to jump in here and say this (and I know it's going to potentially further derail things so I apologize): the Bajoran analogy is completely out of left field.
The only similarity between the two situations is one group being oppressed by another. Bajor didn't invade itself. Bajor isn't fighting a civil war against its own authoritarian Empire and their absurdly cliched Gestapo-wannabe's. Bajor isn't facing a cultural revolution based on the long-lost genetic offshoot they've been raging at for centuries.
They directly compared the situation to the Bajorans thoguh in Dev Blog #1
"These are Romulan civilians who?ve decided to stand up against the oppression of their government. Much like the Bajorans in the Deep Space 9 series, they?ve been labeled terrorists and are seeking the aid of other nations for protection. In some ways, the Romulan Republic is reflective of political divisions making headline news in our world today."
If I recall correctly, they also made the comparison in the last Priority One as well.
I have to jump in here and say this (and I know it's going to potentially further derail things so I apologize): the Bajoran analogy is completely out of left field.
The only similarity between the two situations is one group being oppressed by another. Bajor didn't invade itself. Bajor isn't fighting a civil war against its own authoritarian Empire and their absurdly cliched Gestapo-wannabe's. Bajor isn't facing a cultural revolution based on the long-lost genetic offshoot they've been raging at for centuries.
You are playing a freedom fighting farmer, I seen this before. I'll wait and see how Romulan the story makes me feel when its playable.
In some ways, the Romulan Republic is reflective of political divisions making headline news in our world today."
That really depends on what political divisions they seek to highlight.
I mean to say, if they use it as some sort of forum for discussing the crushing poverty the entitlement state leads to, or if they use it to remind us that most of the world still suffers under cliched Gestapo-esque totalitarian regimes, then I'll be stunned speechless.
It's far more likely they'll use it to espouse some left-wing propaganda, like global warming alarmism. I'm just waiting to hear how the Tal'Partiers...erm, Tal'Shiar, used global warming to start the Hobus event.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
That really depends on what political divisions they seek to highlight.
I mean to say, if they use it as some sort of forum for discussing the crushing poverty the entitlement state leads to, or if they use it to remind us that most of the world still suffers under cliched Gestapo-esque totalitarian regimes, then I'll be stunned speechless.
It's far more likely they'll use it to espouse some left-wing propaganda, like global warming alarmism. I'm just waiting to hear how the Tal'Partiers...erm, Tal'Shiar, used global warming to start the Hobus event.
Arab spring is the only recent thing I can think of to compare it to. I think the fact that they are comparing them to the Bajorans of all things is pretty telling of where they are taking things with the Romulans, at any rate. IMO, I don't really associate Bajorans with Romulans at all, so I don't consider these comparisons a good thing.
The story has already been told on DS9, I want to play a Romulan not a Bajorian.
A thousand times this. We get Romulans in Ridge Only.
What makes me the most upset and concerned is how they constantly conflate RSE and Ta'Shiar, as if they are the same thing. As others have pointed out, they are not even the same in Cryptic's own back story.
Cryptic has taken the Romulan character (the personality of the race/culture), thrown it away, and tacked on another's character. How would KDF fans feel if they were made to play a group of Klingons on a quest for peace and logic? How would Federation fans feel if they had to play citizens of the Federation (not officers in Starfleet) who were out to cleanse all non-Federation races from the galaxy?
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Cryptic: All I have is a beer bottle with some water in it but here you go!
:rolleyes:
As opposed to:
Cryptic: Hey, want a beer?
You: Sure, thanks!
Cryptic: Too bad. You'll never get one!
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
That seems exactly the same as in his example. A bottle of water or absolutely nothing at all seems like no substitute for a beer.
Having something to drink when you're thirsty is better than having nothing to drink.
Every STO player is thirsty. We're thirsty for new Mission Content, new ideas, new directions. Everyone isn't going to love every direction STO decides to take. Heck, everyone doesn't love every direction CBS or Paramount have decided to take. You'll never please all the Trek fans because all the Trek fans don't love the same things.
Most of the time the people in threads like this just sound like the spoiled kid at Christmas who got the PS3 when he wanted the Xbox.
I'm thirsty and I'm happy I'm getting something to drink, even if it isn't a beer. YMMV
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Having something to drink when you're thirsty is better than having nothing to drink.
Every STO player is thirsty. We're thirsty for new Mission Content, new ideas, new directions. Everyone isn't going to love every direction STO decides to take. Heck, everyone doesn't love every direction CBS or Paramount have decided to take. You'll never please all the Trek fans because all the Trek fans don't love the same things.
Most of the time the people in threads like this just sound like the spoiled kid at Christmas who got the PS3 when he wanted the Xbox.
I'm thirsty and I'm happy I'm getting something to drink, even if it isn't a beer. YMMV
I'd say it's a bit more substancial than water, but sadly it's a flavour we've already had. I'm looking forward to LoR and the many things it's bringing, but alliances and how they work just leave a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that Cryptic is relying on Fed and KDF ships for Romulans it gives me the impression they aren't confident in Romulans or Romulan ships bringing home the bacon. That may or may not be the case, but when Cryptic doesn't seem confident, I sure as hell have no reason to be.
I'd say it's a bit more substancial than water, but sadly it's a flavour we've already had. I'm looking forward to LoR and the many things it's bringing, but alliances and how they work just leave a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that Cryptic is relying on Fed and KDF ships for Romulans it gives me the impression they aren't confident in Romulans or Romulan ships bringing home the bacon. That may or may not be the case, but when Cryptic doesn't seem confident, I sure as hell have no reason to be.
You'll never get the Romulan Empire that you want. CBS and Paramount destroyed that.
Canon says that Spock spent 19 years on Romulus preaching Unification. All those years had am impact. Just as Trek changed between TOS and TNG we have to accept that it's changed between Nemesis and STO's era. We're not playing 2370 Trek, or 2267 Trek, or 2151 Trek. We're playing 2409 Trek and some things have changed.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
You'll never get the Romulan Empire that you want. CBS and Paramount destroyed that.
Canon says that Spock spent 19 years on Romulus preaching Unification. All those years had am impact. Just as Trek changed between TOS and TNG we have to accept that it's changed between Nemesis and STO's era. We're not playing 2370 Trek, or 2267 Trek, or 2151 Trek. We're playing 2409 Trek and some things have changed.
That would be easier to swallow if the RSE of old wasn't in the game already, albeit in a weakened and vulnerable state. It's still there, and could still have been a valid target for a Romulan faction if Cryptic had not decided to take them out back and put them down in order to get their Romulan Republic faction to take its place.
And as for thigns changing, that argument can be applied to the other factions as well. Klingons and Federation. But we don't see monastaries of Klingon monks when we visit Vulcan or Federation Pirates marauding in Cardassian space, because folks would be udnerstandably upset-it would be a subversion of what everyone liekd about the Klingons and Federation.
You'll never get the Romulan Empire that you want. CBS and Paramount destroyed that.
Canon says that Spock spent 19 years on Romulus preaching Unification. All those years had am impact. Just as Trek changed between TOS and TNG we have to accept that it's changed between Nemesis and STO's era. We're not playing 2370 Trek, or 2267 Trek, or 2151 Trek. We're playing 2409 Trek and some things have changed.
They destroyed Romulus, but not the RSE. The RSE was vast and covered most of the Beta Quadrant. There was much more to them than one planet.
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Some of which might be relevant if there was content that took into account a character's backstory. But there isn't. In addition, none of that changes the fact that everything you do is already pre-scripted, nor does it change the fact that Cryptic has done almost nothing to cultivate relateable characters, be they friendly or otherwise, to utilize in their stories.
Choosing to RP a specific type of character is all well and good, but pretending that said RPing has any impact on Cryptic's story is fairly irrational.
I mean, Romulan freedom fighters is so bad a story I would rather play as a non-affiliated Romulan who, in the aftermath of some battle, was found and rescued by (insert Fed/KDF) and joins them out of gratitude.
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Me too. I think the story that they're trying to tell has a lot of potential.
The story has already been told on DS9, I want to play a Romulan not a Bajorian.
If you are looking forward to it or not, It think it's pretty evident that this development came out of left field, and was not what people were asking for out of a Romulan faction, generally speaking.
I'm Personally not looking forward to it, it's a complete 180 from the classic TNG-era Romulans.
Saying that the important part is being a Romulan and not being part of their traditional culture.... that's semantics at best and a child trying to get out trouble for doing something bad lol. It'd be like the only way to play as a human would be to play as a member of a breakaway non federation colony and joining a generic trope of a "rebel alliance" group instead of starfleet.
I have to jump in here and say this (and I know it's going to potentially further derail things so I apologize): the Bajoran analogy is completely out of left field.
The only similarity between the two situations is one group being oppressed by another. Bajor didn't invade itself. Bajor isn't fighting a civil war against its own authoritarian Empire and their absurdly cliched Gestapo-wannabe's. Bajor isn't facing a cultural revolution based on the long-lost genetic offshoot they've been raging at for centuries.
Yeah, cause it's obviously the same story. :rolleyes:
And btw, at this point, how do you know how the story will evolve and where is Cryptic planning to take it in the future? Would you mind lending me that crystal ball, I feel like playing the lottery this weekend.
Precisely. We've gone from a nation of sneaky green hobgoblins to a race of Drizzt Do'Urdens. :rolleyes:
They directly compared the situation to the Bajorans thoguh in Dev Blog #1
"These are Romulan civilians who?ve decided to stand up against the oppression of their government. Much like the Bajorans in the Deep Space 9 series, they?ve been labeled terrorists and are seeking the aid of other nations for protection. In some ways, the Romulan Republic is reflective of political divisions making headline news in our world today."
If I recall correctly, they also made the comparison in the last Priority One as well.
You are playing a freedom fighting farmer, I seen this before. I'll wait and see how Romulan the story makes me feel when its playable.
I mean to say, if they use it as some sort of forum for discussing the crushing poverty the entitlement state leads to, or if they use it to remind us that most of the world still suffers under cliched Gestapo-esque totalitarian regimes, then I'll be stunned speechless.
It's far more likely they'll use it to espouse some left-wing propaganda, like global warming alarmism. I'm just waiting to hear how the Tal'Partiers...erm, Tal'Shiar, used global warming to start the Hobus event.
A thousand times this. We get Romulans in Ridge Only.
What makes me the most upset and concerned is how they constantly conflate RSE and Ta'Shiar, as if they are the same thing. As others have pointed out, they are not even the same in Cryptic's own back story.
Cryptic has taken the Romulan character (the personality of the race/culture), thrown it away, and tacked on another's character. How would KDF fans feel if they were made to play a group of Klingons on a quest for peace and logic? How would Federation fans feel if they had to play citizens of the Federation (not officers in Starfleet) who were out to cleanse all non-Federation races from the galaxy?
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Cryptic: Hey, want a beer?
Me: Sure, thanks!
Cryptic: All I have is a beer bottle with some water in it but here you go!
:rolleyes:
Cryptic: Hey, want a beer?
You: Sure, thanks!
Cryptic: Too bad. You'll never get one!
(Or are we having an outbreak of Stop Having Fun Guys?)
Also...that TV tropes article has nothing to do with anything going on here....the arguments presented here have nothing to do with 'hardcore gaming'.
Every STO player is thirsty. We're thirsty for new Mission Content, new ideas, new directions. Everyone isn't going to love every direction STO decides to take. Heck, everyone doesn't love every direction CBS or Paramount have decided to take. You'll never please all the Trek fans because all the Trek fans don't love the same things.
Most of the time the people in threads like this just sound like the spoiled kid at Christmas who got the PS3 when he wanted the Xbox.
I'm thirsty and I'm happy I'm getting something to drink, even if it isn't a beer. YMMV
I'd say it's a bit more substancial than water, but sadly it's a flavour we've already had. I'm looking forward to LoR and the many things it's bringing, but alliances and how they work just leave a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that Cryptic is relying on Fed and KDF ships for Romulans it gives me the impression they aren't confident in Romulans or Romulan ships bringing home the bacon. That may or may not be the case, but when Cryptic doesn't seem confident, I sure as hell have no reason to be.
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That is a two way street
Canon says that Spock spent 19 years on Romulus preaching Unification. All those years had am impact. Just as Trek changed between TOS and TNG we have to accept that it's changed between Nemesis and STO's era. We're not playing 2370 Trek, or 2267 Trek, or 2151 Trek. We're playing 2409 Trek and some things have changed.
And as for thigns changing, that argument can be applied to the other factions as well. Klingons and Federation. But we don't see monastaries of Klingon monks when we visit Vulcan or Federation Pirates marauding in Cardassian space, because folks would be udnerstandably upset-it would be a subversion of what everyone liekd about the Klingons and Federation.
They destroyed Romulus, but not the RSE. The RSE was vast and covered most of the Beta Quadrant. There was much more to them than one planet.
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