would have been better to continure the storyline on after the klignon-fed war instead of emphasize that huge mistake. nothing like being at war and being able to cross into fed space freely.
Lyndon Brewer: 20% chance to capture enemy ship for 60 seconds on successful use of boarding party.
There are more blogs coming that will shed more light on the overall story.
Some reminders and insights:
The Romulan Republic storyline is a prequel to the Romulan Feature Episode Series, and in fact New Romulus hasn't even been discovered yet from their starting perspective.
Even though you start on an "offworld colony", it doesn't mean that *you* are a farmer.
Sela has declared herself Empress and thus may now command the Tal Shiar, but it remains to be seen how involved she is with what Hakeev is up to.
D'Tan founds a single planet in a contested part of space. Is this a safe place to start over? Does he have the manpower/weaponry/ships to defend the Republic?
D'Tan is approached by the Tal Shiar after Sela's disappearance, and we learn the Tal Shiar are still actively trying to thwart the Republic, and even have spies on NR.
Obisek is also on New Romulus, and yet in some respects he is/was considered a terrorist for threatening to use Thalaron weaponry. Is Obisek a terrorist? What is D'Tan's relationship to Obisek and the events of Cutting the Cord?
The Republic allows both Feds and Kdf to have embassies on New Romulus and through those Embassies, those other factions gain access to Romulan technology.
If you were trying to legitimize your government and overthrow an Empress who is claiming that you're a terrorist organization, other governments may view your plight as an opportunity to arm you and push their ideals through that aid. If our present day world is any indication, there are some rebels who will welcome that, but others that will fear it comes with a big giant string attached.
Also, there is a lot of stuff being hidden on TRIBBLE, so the stuff you are seeing is (for the most part) only what we are ok with showing at this time. We will be announcing Beta plans in the coming weeks (which will still take place on TRIBBLE but will unlock stuff for Beta participants). The hidden stuff includes the KDF 1-20 revamp.
There should be a blog out in the next day or so with more in depth answers to some of the top questions (it is being localized right now so that it comes out in all languages instead of these forum posts which I only type in English)
I liked the new KDF Tutorial. It was a bit glitchy but I guess it wasn't quite complete yet. the story premise is very klingon and awesome.
There are more blogs coming that will shed more light on the overall story.
Some reminders and insights:
The Romulan Republic storyline is a prequel to the Romulan Feature Episode Series, and in fact New Romulus hasn't even been discovered yet from their starting perspective.
Even though you start on an "offworld colony", it doesn't mean that *you* are a farmer.
Sela has declared herself Empress and thus may now command the Tal Shiar, but it remains to be seen how involved she is with what Hakeev is up to.
D'Tan founds a single planet in a contested part of space. Is this a safe place to start over? Does he have the manpower/weaponry/ships to defend the Republic?
D'Tan is approached by the Tal Shiar after Sela's disappearance, and we learn the Tal Shiar are still actively trying to thwart the Republic, and even have spies on NR.
Obisek is also on New Romulus, and yet in some respects he is/was considered a terrorist for threatening to use Thalaron weaponry. Is Obisek a terrorist? What is D'Tan's relationship to Obisek and the events of Cutting the Cord?
The Republic allows both Feds and Kdf to have embassies on New Romulus and through those Embassies, those other factions gain access to Romulan technology.
If you were trying to legitimize your government and overthrow an Empress who is claiming that you're a terrorist organization, other governments may view your plight as an opportunity to arm you and push their ideals through that aid. If our present day world is any indication, there are some rebels who will welcome that, but others that will fear it comes with a big giant string attached.
Also, there is a lot of stuff being hidden on TRIBBLE, so the stuff you are seeing is (for the most part) only what we are ok with showing at this time. We will be announcing Beta plans in the coming weeks (which will still take place on TRIBBLE but will unlock stuff for Beta participants). The hidden stuff includes the KDF 1-20 revamp.
There should be a blog out in the next day or so with more in depth answers to some of the top questions (it is being localized right now so that it comes out in all languages instead of these forum posts which I only type in English)
The main concern with the KDF missions currently playable on test, is that they're a bit too much of a copy & paste from their Starfleet counterparts. "Rapier" really should end with the KDF capturing the ship, or at least the crew and scuttling the ship, before Starfleet can claim her back.
1. Sela gets hijacked at end of Rommie Arc by Iconians.
2. Sela expresses distaste of the Iconian way.
3. Iconians have an Undine/founder/other shapeshifter/clone chamber/brainwasher and out pops a suddenly "loyal" Sela.
4. News at 5/11... :P
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There should be a blog out in the next day or so with more in depth answers to some of the top questions (it is being localized right now so that it comes out in all languages instead of these forum posts which I only type in English)
I remember Wishstone used to give out infractions for typing posts in languages other than English. So be careful. You wouldn't want the moderators to ban you.
The Romulan Republic storyline is a prequel to the Romulan Feature Episode Series, and in fact New Romulus hasn't even been discovered yet from their starting perspective.
Sela has declared herself Empress and thus may now command the Tal Shiar, but it remains to be seen how involved she is with what Hakeev is up to.
Ok, so that answers the timeline question. But...
In the Path to 2409, it says that Sela's reign as Praetor ushered in a new era of peace for the Empire. Then there's very little info, and she becomes a beloved Empress (with the implication that she is going to be an autocratic dictator). So it's cool that this time will be explained. But I don't see why the Empire would turn against her without D'Tan's Unificationist machinations, given that she is well-liked and has the Empire moving up in the galaxy... Unless her connections to the Iconians are discovered.
What I'm interested in is her relationship with the Tal Shiar. She didn't need them to gain the Praetor-ship, and has a good chunk of her own personal allies: the fleet that went with her into exile before the Hobus event, and the Hirogen. What about them? It seems to me that she would use the Tal Shiar, rather than allow herself to depend on them and the Iconians, given her existing powerbase.
I for one not wanting to play a clone faction with pointy ears and federation values
This is exactly what I've been saying. My Romulan won't want to be part of Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. ...unless the story for the Republic is exceptionally good.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
There are more blogs coming that will shed more light on the overall story.
Some reminders and insights:
The Romulan Republic storyline is a prequel to the Romulan Feature Episode Series, and in fact New Romulus hasn't even been discovered yet from their starting perspective.
Even though you start on an "offworld colony", it doesn't mean that *you* are a farmer.
Sela has declared herself Empress and thus may now command the Tal Shiar, but it remains to be seen how involved she is with what Hakeev is up to.
D'Tan founds a single planet in a contested part of space. Is this a safe place to start over? Does he have the manpower/weaponry/ships to defend the Republic?
D'Tan is approached by the Tal Shiar after Sela's disappearance, and we learn the Tal Shiar are still actively trying to thwart the Republic, and even have spies on NR.
Obisek is also on New Romulus, and yet in some respects he is/was considered a terrorist for threatening to use Thalaron weaponry. Is Obisek a terrorist? What is D'Tan's relationship to Obisek and the events of Cutting the Cord?
The Republic allows both Feds and Kdf to have embassies on New Romulus and through those Embassies, those other factions gain access to Romulan technology.
If you were trying to legitimize your government and overthrow an Empress who is claiming that you're a terrorist organization, other governments may view your plight as an opportunity to arm you and push their ideals through that aid. If our present day world is any indication, there are some rebels who will welcome that, but others that will fear it comes with a big giant string attached.
Also, there is a lot of stuff being hidden on TRIBBLE, so the stuff you are seeing is (for the most part) only what we are ok with showing at this time. We will be announcing Beta plans in the coming weeks (which will still take place on TRIBBLE but will unlock stuff for Beta participants). The hidden stuff includes the KDF 1-20 revamp.
There should be a blog out in the next day or so with more in depth answers to some of the top questions (it is being localized right now so that it comes out in all languages instead of these forum posts which I only type in English)
the federation wouldn't arm any other government, organisation, group, potential terrorists with weapons. starting to think you never watched the shows or films. it was kinda a big deal not arm any one outside the UFP. not even their own people in the federation/cardassian dmz. the marquis for example as well as the civilians there. 1 thing is aid, another is arming an outside faction of any kind. it certainly don't come a across as feeling very star trek at all. the federation have suddenly lost 100's of years or principles and ethics.
the federation wouldn't arm any other government, organisation, group, potential terrorists with weapons. starting to think you never watched the shows or films. it was kinda a big deal not arm any one outside the UFP. not even their own people in the federation/cardassian dmz. the marquis for example as well as the civilians there. 1 thing is aid, another is arming an outside faction of any kind. it certainly don't come a across as feeling very star trek at all. the federation have suddenly lost 100's of years or principles and ethics.
the federation wouldn't arm any other government, organisation, group, potential terrorists with weapons. starting to think you never watched the shows or films. it was kinda a big deal not arm any one outside the UFP. not even their own people in the federation/cardassian dmz. the marquis for example as well as the civilians there. 1 thing is aid, another is arming an outside faction of any kind. it certainly don't come a across as feeling very star trek at all. the federation have suddenly lost 100's of years or principles and ethics.
I disagree, they can and have. The Maquis were different in that the Feds were simply following their treaty with the Cardassians. You should read up on what the Feds did in the conflict between the Bajorans and Cardassians.
Sigh, I am confused by the story. It is convoluted.
It's relatively simple compared to the Path to 2409's Romulans, both pre and post Hobus. Sela was Empress, ruling with an iron fist and the help (maybe) of the Iconian influenced Tal Shiar. She got abducted, and now the Romulans are splintering (again).
The Path to 2409 has Donatra, Taris, Tal'Aura, the Remans... it's a mess.
I disagree, they can and have. The Maquis were different in that the Feds were simply following their treaty with the Cardassians. You should read up on what the Feds did in the conflict between the Bajorans and Cardassians.
In no way, shape or form did the Federation arm any Bajoran resistance movement.
Deferi are actually collecting the bodies of the dead and experimenting on them to make super soldiers (Borg tech)
Bajor has a secret plan to enslave cardassia and put them all to work in the mines
The New Cardassian government IS the new way and is secretly building a new task force
D'tan is the love child of Spock and Nurse Chapel and is not really a romulan at all
In the final mission of the arch we discover this , shoot him dead in a faked political assasination and assume the rank of Pro consul pro tem "for the Duration of the emergency"
Worf is actually a Q messing with our heads
Admiral Quinn has gone mad and promoted EVERYONE in starfleet to VA now no one can be found to make the coffee
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ok well that episode is a mess. kirk broke the rules. easily noted by this. cut and paste from memory alpha.
"Captain's log, stardate 4211.4 Keeping our presence here secret... is an enormous tactical advantage. Therefore, I cannot risk contact with Starfleet Command. I must take action on my own judgment. I've elected to violate orders... and make contact with planet inhabitants here."
because the Klingons have supplied 1 side with weapons kirk eventually evens up the odds by supplying the other side with some.
the klingons didn't break any rules. as they don't have them lol the federation however do. kirk's cavalier approach got buried in the past.
so I don't really see how a private little war actually support the federation giving arms to the romulans? the name of the episode alone indicates they never should have got involved. :P
the federation wouldn't arm any other government, organisation, group, potential terrorists with weapons. starting to think you never watched the shows or films. it was kinda a big deal not arm any one outside the UFP. not even their own people in the federation/cardassian dmz. the marquis for example as well as the civilians there. 1 thing is aid, another is arming an outside faction of any kind. it certainly don't come a across as feeling very star trek at all. the federation have suddenly lost 100's of years or principles and ethics.
I'm sorry, remind me, who's responsible (in large part) for the security of Cardassian Space? Oh, that's right, the Federation. Suggesting that the Feds would arm New Romulus to help in their defence isn't a massive stretch when you consider that.
I'm sorry, remind me, who's responsible (in large part) for the security of Cardassian Space? Oh, that's right, the Federation. Suggesting that the Feds would arm New Romulus to help in their defence isn't a massive stretch when you consider that.
The two are hardly similar. Cardassians are no able to arm themselves. In Fact, the treaty with the Federation (which provides federation aide to Cardassia) expressly prohibits them from anything less then a simple security force. As a result, Cardassian Space is basically a protectorate of the Federation. Where the Federation is responsible for defending Cardassian Space.
D'tan by extension has his own defense force. Maybe not a large one, certainly not large enough to take on the Tal Shiar, iconians or no iconians, but it exists. Plus the whole reunificationist thing has been a sticky thing in the federation for a while.
I have to go with the majority here, If Worf can get reprimanded for giving Duras the Bat'leth to the gut he so richly deserved, I can't see the Prime Directive allowing Starfleet to arm a splinter group.
I'm sorry, remind me, who's responsible (in large part) for the security of Cardassian Space? Oh, that's right, the Federation. Suggesting that the Feds would arm New Romulus to help in their defence isn't a massive stretch when you consider that.
well the federation is aiding and protecting. they are not arming the cardassians. there's actually a huge difference. the federation hasn't given the cardassians any star ships to command. Starfleet still has full command of their ships, not the cardassians!
The two are hardly similar. Cardassians are no able to arm themselves. In Fact, the treaty with the Federation (which provides federation aide to Cardassia) expressly prohibits them from anything less then a simple security force. As a result, Cardassian Space is basically a protectorate of the Federation. Where the Federation is responsible for defending Cardassian Space.
D'tan by extension has his own defense force. Maybe not a large one, certainly not large enough to take on the Tal Shiar, iconians or no iconians, but it exists. Plus the whole reunificationist thing has been a sticky thing in the federation for a while.
I have to go with the majority here, If Worf can get reprimanded for giving Duras the Bat'leth to the gut he so richly deserved, I can't see the Prime Directive allowing Starfleet to arm a splinter group.
The Cardassians are unable to defend themselves because they don't have enough resources to do so (which is both a result of and reason for the treaty with the Federation, if you think about it), and the New Romulus Republic certainly doesn't have the resources to defend itself (hence why they need Klingon and Federation assistance). Seems pretty similar to me. And the Federation wants to try and bring the Romulan Republic into a position where they could become a Federation member, which means helping them become self-sufficient in a military capacity. Arming them seems sensible in that respect... to an extent.
Try to remember that there have been several instances where the Federation has been willing to put their principles on the sideline for their own benefit, as shown in; TNG: Pegasus, ST: Insurrection, Section 31, DS9: Way of the Warrior (Sisko saved the Detapa Council. How is that not a violation of the Prime Directive? He also used the Cloak to reach them, when it was only allowed to be used in the Gamma Quadrant), TNG: Redemption Pt II (or at least, Picard came very close to doing so. A blockade between Romulus and the Klingon Empire was pretty close to interfering in the Klingon Empire's foreign affairs) - need I go on?
well the federation is aiding and protecting. they are not arming the cardassians. there's actually a huge difference. the federation hasn't given the cardassians any star ships to command. Starfleet still has full command of their ships, not the cardassians!
I'll agree that I, as someone who will definitely roll a Romulan (in a heartbeat) when this goes live, I do not want to see Romulans getting access to Federation ships (or Klingon. Aiding the Romulans is one thing. I supremely doubt the Empire would give them starships!) unless there's a very good reason, like it being an Atrox, D'kyr, or a really old ship.
It's relatively simple compared to the Path to 2409's Romulans, both pre and post Hobus. Sela was Empress, ruling with an iron fist and the help (maybe) of the Iconian influenced Tal Shiar. She got abducted, and now the Romulans are splintering (again).
The Path to 2409 has Donatra, Taris, Tal'Aura, the Remans... it's a mess.
So, should I ignore the path to 2409 in order to understand what is going on?
ok well that episode is a mess. kirk broke the rules. easily noted by this. cut and paste from memory alpha.
"Captain's log, stardate 4211.4 Keeping our presence here secret... is an enormous tactical advantage. Therefore, I cannot risk contact with Starfleet Command. I must take action on my own judgment. I've elected to violate orders... and make contact with planet inhabitants here."
because the Klingons have supplied 1 side with weapons kirk eventually evens up the odds by supplying the other side with some.
the klingons didn't break any rules. as they don't have them lol the federation however do. kirk's cavalier approach got buried in the past.
so I don't really see how a private little war actually support the federation giving arms to the romulans? the name of the episode alone indicates they never should have got involved. :P
Fine - then rewatch the first season TNG episode: Too Short A Season.
Also, if you look at the situation in the DS9 series; there's plenty of examples of thbe Federation supplying arms to the Bajorans postn occupation, duringn th series run.
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So, should I ignore the path to 2409 in order to understand what is going on?
Well, I completed that set of accolades too but I found the lore data hips to be the convoluted part, yes. So if I had to ignore something, that would be what I'd ignore.
So, should I ignore the path to 2409 in order to understand what is going on?
That's not at all what I said. I just said that compared to the events in the Path to 2409, current Romulan affairs are not that complicated. I certainly hope no one ignores the Path to 2409 (especially Cryptic).
Well, I completed that set of accolades too but I found the lore data [c]hips to be the convoluted part, yes. So if I had to ignore something, that would be what I'd ignore.
The Path to 2409 was previously released on the website, and is THE lore when it comes to explaining why the Fed vs. KDF war is even happening. If Cryptic is really going to insist on bringing every future faction into the war, the Path had better not be ignored.
DS9: Way of the Warrior (Sisko saved the Detapa Council. How is that not a violation of the Prime Directive? TNG: Redemption Pt II (or at least, Picard came very close to doing so. A blockade between Romulus and the Klingon Empire was pretty close to interfering in the Klingon Empire's foreign affairs)
It's specifically because redemption involves more than one power that Picard can intervene - a pure civil war is a Prime Directive issue, but because the Romulans are involved it becomes a regular diplomatic incident. Same with the Detapa Council.
I'm very disillusioned that Goatshark dodged any detail on how tech-sharing alliances will be justified. Particularly from the UFP perspective.
I specificaly want to understand the rationale that allows the Federation reconcile Prime Directive violations, namely,
Providing knowledge of technologies or science (TOS: "A Private Little War"; VOY: "Caretaker")
Taking actions to generally affect a society's overall development (TNG: "Who Watches The Watchers")
Taking actions which support one faction within a society over another (TOS: "The Omega Glory"; TNG: "Too Short a Season")
Helping a society escape the negative consequences of its own actions (VOY: "Time and Again", "Thirty Days")
Subverting or avoiding the application of a society's laws (TOS: "Wolf in the Fold"; TNG: "Justice")
Interfering in the internal affairs of a society (TNG: "Symbiosis", "Reunion", "Redemption", "Redemption II", "The Price"; DS9: "The Circle", "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges"; VOY: "Thirty Days")
The Prime Directive only applies in the case of pre-warp civilizations. Once a species has discovered faster-than-light travel and begun to join the galactic community, the Federation can meddle all they want.
The Prime Directive only applies in the case of pre-warp civilizations. Once a species has discovered faster-than-light travel and begun to join the galactic community, the Federation can meddle all they want.
Episodes of both DS9 and Voyager have stated that Starfleet can't interfere with the Internal Policies of non Federation governments due to the Prime Directive, even if they have warp capability. It's murky and obviously was just used as plot device to create dramatic tension (i.e. What will the Emissary do? The Sisko is bound by his duty to Starfleet to NOT interfere with who becomes Kai!). But it is there to be referenced on screen. For what that's worth.
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1. Sela gets hijacked at end of Rommie Arc by Iconians.
2. Sela expresses distaste of the Iconian way.
3. Iconians have an Undine/founder/other shapeshifter/clone chamber/brainwasher and out pops a suddenly "loyal" Sela.
4. News at 5/11... :P
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Ok, so that answers the timeline question. But...
In the Path to 2409, it says that Sela's reign as Praetor ushered in a new era of peace for the Empire. Then there's very little info, and she becomes a beloved Empress (with the implication that she is going to be an autocratic dictator). So it's cool that this time will be explained. But I don't see why the Empire would turn against her without D'Tan's Unificationist machinations, given that she is well-liked and has the Empire moving up in the galaxy... Unless her connections to the Iconians are discovered.
What I'm interested in is her relationship with the Tal Shiar. She didn't need them to gain the Praetor-ship, and has a good chunk of her own personal allies: the fleet that went with her into exile before the Hobus event, and the Hirogen. What about them? It seems to me that she would use the Tal Shiar, rather than allow herself to depend on them and the Iconians, given her existing powerbase.
This is exactly what I've been saying. My Romulan won't want to be part of Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. ...unless the story for the Republic is exceptionally good.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
the federation wouldn't arm any other government, organisation, group, potential terrorists with weapons. starting to think you never watched the shows or films. it was kinda a big deal not arm any one outside the UFP. not even their own people in the federation/cardassian dmz. the marquis for example as well as the civilians there. 1 thing is aid, another is arming an outside faction of any kind. it certainly don't come a across as feeling very star trek at all. the federation have suddenly lost 100's of years or principles and ethics.
Someone needs to brush up on their TOS trek...
Ever watch TOS episode 'A Private Little War'
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It's relatively simple compared to the Path to 2409's Romulans, both pre and post Hobus. Sela was Empress, ruling with an iron fist and the help (maybe) of the Iconian influenced Tal Shiar. She got abducted, and now the Romulans are splintering (again).
The Path to 2409 has Donatra, Taris, Tal'Aura, the Remans... it's a mess.
Arguably Kirk only armed them because the Chinese were arming the Vietn--- er, I mean, because the Klingons were arming the planet first.
In no way, shape or form did the Federation arm any Bajoran resistance movement.
I think they're just glad to be on friendly terms with the Romulans for a change.
Sounds good to me.
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ok well that episode is a mess. kirk broke the rules. easily noted by this. cut and paste from memory alpha.
"Captain's log, stardate 4211.4 Keeping our presence here secret... is an enormous tactical advantage. Therefore, I cannot risk contact with Starfleet Command. I must take action on my own judgment. I've elected to violate orders... and make contact with planet inhabitants here."
because the Klingons have supplied 1 side with weapons kirk eventually evens up the odds by supplying the other side with some.
the klingons didn't break any rules. as they don't have them lol the federation however do. kirk's cavalier approach got buried in the past.
so I don't really see how a private little war actually support the federation giving arms to the romulans? the name of the episode alone indicates they never should have got involved. :P
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I'm sorry, remind me, who's responsible (in large part) for the security of Cardassian Space? Oh, that's right, the Federation. Suggesting that the Feds would arm New Romulus to help in their defence isn't a massive stretch when you consider that.
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The two are hardly similar. Cardassians are no able to arm themselves. In Fact, the treaty with the Federation (which provides federation aide to Cardassia) expressly prohibits them from anything less then a simple security force. As a result, Cardassian Space is basically a protectorate of the Federation. Where the Federation is responsible for defending Cardassian Space.
D'tan by extension has his own defense force. Maybe not a large one, certainly not large enough to take on the Tal Shiar, iconians or no iconians, but it exists. Plus the whole reunificationist thing has been a sticky thing in the federation for a while.
I have to go with the majority here, If Worf can get reprimanded for giving Duras the Bat'leth to the gut he so richly deserved, I can't see the Prime Directive allowing Starfleet to arm a splinter group.
well the federation is aiding and protecting. they are not arming the cardassians. there's actually a huge difference. the federation hasn't given the cardassians any star ships to command. Starfleet still has full command of their ships, not the cardassians!
The Cardassians are unable to defend themselves because they don't have enough resources to do so (which is both a result of and reason for the treaty with the Federation, if you think about it), and the New Romulus Republic certainly doesn't have the resources to defend itself (hence why they need Klingon and Federation assistance). Seems pretty similar to me. And the Federation wants to try and bring the Romulan Republic into a position where they could become a Federation member, which means helping them become self-sufficient in a military capacity. Arming them seems sensible in that respect... to an extent.
Try to remember that there have been several instances where the Federation has been willing to put their principles on the sideline for their own benefit, as shown in; TNG: Pegasus, ST: Insurrection, Section 31, DS9: Way of the Warrior (Sisko saved the Detapa Council. How is that not a violation of the Prime Directive? He also used the Cloak to reach them, when it was only allowed to be used in the Gamma Quadrant), TNG: Redemption Pt II (or at least, Picard came very close to doing so. A blockade between Romulus and the Klingon Empire was pretty close to interfering in the Klingon Empire's foreign affairs) - need I go on?
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
I'll agree that I, as someone who will definitely roll a Romulan (in a heartbeat) when this goes live, I do not want to see Romulans getting access to Federation ships (or Klingon. Aiding the Romulans is one thing. I supremely doubt the Empire would give them starships!) unless there's a very good reason, like it being an Atrox, D'kyr, or a really old ship.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
So, should I ignore the path to 2409 in order to understand what is going on?
Fine - then rewatch the first season TNG episode: Too Short A Season.
Also, if you look at the situation in the DS9 series; there's plenty of examples of thbe Federation supplying arms to the Bajorans postn occupation, duringn th series run.
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Well, I completed that set of accolades too but I found the lore data hips to be the convoluted part, yes. So if I had to ignore something, that would be what I'd ignore.
That's not at all what I said. I just said that compared to the events in the Path to 2409, current Romulan affairs are not that complicated. I certainly hope no one ignores the Path to 2409 (especially Cryptic).
The Path to 2409 was previously released on the website, and is THE lore when it comes to explaining why the Fed vs. KDF war is even happening. If Cryptic is really going to insist on bringing every future faction into the war, the Path had better not be ignored.
It's specifically because redemption involves more than one power that Picard can intervene - a pure civil war is a Prime Directive issue, but because the Romulans are involved it becomes a regular diplomatic incident. Same with the Detapa Council.
The Prime Directive only applies in the case of pre-warp civilizations. Once a species has discovered faster-than-light travel and begun to join the galactic community, the Federation can meddle all they want.
Episodes of both DS9 and Voyager have stated that Starfleet can't interfere with the Internal Policies of non Federation governments due to the Prime Directive, even if they have warp capability. It's murky and obviously was just used as plot device to create dramatic tension (i.e. What will the Emissary do? The Sisko is bound by his duty to Starfleet to NOT interfere with who becomes Kai!). But it is there to be referenced on screen. For what that's worth.