Jermbot is actually right. Dan explained in the 'Ask Cryptic'-Thread that this 'alliance' will be more like loose ties to one of the other factions and involves only PvP, Starbases and DOffs. The main problem I see is that Romulans will get access to every ship in this game which is quite ridiculous. I can already see Defiants, Kumaris and Kar'Fi carriers roaming around with an R.R.W.-Prefix attached to them. Thanks to this design decision there is no real argument anymore why Feds shouldn't have access to Klingon ships and vice versa. IP thrown out of the window.
Regarding the species restrictions for the Romulan Republic I completely agree with Cryptics decision. Non-Romulans should be a very rare sight. I'm glad they didn't make the Republic another multispecies Federation like they did with the KDF (the latter is more like an Orion Defense Force). As others already mentioned Romulans are xenophobic, they conquered and ruled over other species for centuries and treated them like second class citizens at best. This nature doesn't simple go away just because their homeplanet blew up.
Romulons may get the most ships to pick from, but they also have the least races to pick from. They are less versatile captains and to a degree less versatile Boffs, but with more versatile ships. How fair a tradeoff that turns out to be remains to be seen.
Wrong prefix, not being a faction, wrong costumes, blocked races.
Not really off to a good start.
I am going to have a really hard time feeling romulan standing in the refugee camp wearing my winter jacket replica beaming up to my ship with no cloak and taking orders from the federation or the klingons.
Given team green is not being treated as proper faction, it makes sense it would not have several races to chose from. If you want other races there is always the C-store (mark my words) .....
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Romulans will still be and stay citizens of the Republic. I see this cooperation more under the premise that the Republican Military sends their officers to the other factions for training and to maintain a healthy relationship to them, just like modern armies do in the real world.
I know this conflicts heaviliy with PvP as Romulans may be grouped against each other. However, PvP in STO is silly anyway. As Dan pointed out the most frequented PvP queue is Fed vs Fed which doesn't make any sense either. We probably have to wait for a complete revamp of STO's PvP system.
However, the IP should come first for STO, even if this results in a faction which has few ships and only 1-3 species to choose from. I would rather have this than a Romulan Republic with countless silly Alien characters and Federation/Klingon ships.
Romulans will still be and stay citizens of the Republic. I see this cooperation more under the premise that the Republican Military sends their officers to the other factions for training and to maintain a healthy relationship to them, just like modern armies do in the real world.
I know this conflicts heaviliy with PvP as Romulans may be grouped against each other. However, PvP in STO is silly anyway. As Dan pointed out the most frequented PvP queue is Fed vs Fed which doesn't make any sense either. We probably have to wait for a complete revamp of STO's PvP system.
However, the IP should come first for STO, even if this results in a faction which has few ships and only 1-3 species to choose from. I would rather have this than a Romulan Republic with countless silly Alien characters and Federation/Klingon ships.
Well, correct me If I'm wrong, but thoguht the Fed PVP was phrased as training exercises and the KDF v KDF PVP phrased in the context of inter-house conflicts, both of which sound pleanty plausable enough. FED v KDF is the war, plain and simple, and it is into this context that Rommies are dropped and expected to kill each other for the KDF/Fed.
We may not have the alien or hybrid options, but rommie characters ahve access to the ships of their alled faction, and there are plans to put Romulan ships into lockboxes available to Federation and Klingon players as well, so don't expect the romulans to be exempt from this phenomena either.
Well, correct me If I'm wrong, but thoguht the Fed PVP was phrased as training exercises and the KDF v KDF PVP phrased in the context of inter-house conflicts, both of which sound pleanty plausable enough. FED v KDF is the war, plain and simple, and it is into this context that Rommies are dropped and expected to kill each other for the KDF/Fed.
According to the devs PvP was supposed to depict the ongoing war between Feds and KDF. However Feds demanded their own Fed vs Fed queue a few years (?) back because they almost always lost against KDF players thanks to both lack of skill and a varying degree of overpowered KDF gear (this is solved now). Since then PvP is just a silly amusement with no backup in the story. Having Romulans fight each other doesn't really make it worse. PvP in STO is complete bollocks to begin with.
We may not have the alien or hybrid options, but rommie characters ahve access to the ships of their alled faction, and there are plans to put Romulan ships into lockboxes available to Federation and Klingon players as well, so don't expect the romulans to be exempt from this phenomena either.
Yes, I heard of that and I consider this the real problem. Why do they even bother making different factions when everyone gets to fly everyones ships?
According to the devs PvP was supposed to depict the ongoing war between Feds and KDF. However Feds demanded their own Fed vs Fed queue a few years (?) back because they almost always lost against KDF players thanks to both lack of skill and a varying degree of overpowered KDF gear (this is solved now). Since then PvP is just a silly amusement with no backup in the story. Having Romulans fight each other doesn't really make it worse. PvP in STO is complete bollocks to begin with.
Yes, I heard of that and I consider this the real problem. Why do they even bother making different factions when everyone gets to fly everyones ships?
Still, even if you consider the PVP to be sort of an abstract, non-consequential side thing, they fact remains that as part of the story, Romulans are expected to choose between the Federation and the KDF, so you will have Romulans joining up on opposite sides during what is supposedly a very delecate period for them, as part of the storyline, which is a bit bonkers IMO.
Still, even if you consider the PVP to be sort of an abstract, non-consequential side thing, they fact remains that as part of the story, Romulans are expected to choose between the Federation and the KDF, so you will have Romulans joining up on opposite sides during what is supposedly a very delecate period for them, as part of the storyline, which is a bit bonkers IMO.
True, but that's the reason people better accept that PvP is meaningless storywise in STO. As Dan stated Romulans remain part of their Republic but ship commanders may create somewhat loose ties to one of the other factions, which will be explained in their episodes. It's not a real alliance, it's more like an officer exchange in the end.
True, but that's the reason people better accept that PvP is meaningless storywise in STO. As Dan stated Romulans remain part of their Republic but ship commanders may create somewhat loose ties to one of the other factions, which will be explained in their episodes. It's not a real alliance, it's more like an officer exchange in the end.
Why not think of PVP as "war games" ? Training scenarios?
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Look at all these Romulan fans complaining about 'not getting a faction'. You guys are getting more than the KDF got to start with, you're just complaining about the 'alliance' aspect. . .something that actually makes sense if you start thinking of Romulans as beyond the RSE.
Just sit down, shut up, and enjoy what you've got. Oh, and to pull the same schtick that Cryptic and the Federation fanboys pulled with the KDF: 'You'll get more content later'.
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Look at all these Romulan fans complaining about 'not getting a faction'. You guys are getting more than the KDF got to start with, you're just complaining about the 'alliance' aspect. . .something that actually makes sense if you start thinking of Romulans as beyond the RSE.
Just sit down, shut up, and enjoy what you've got. Oh, and to pull the same schtick that Cryptic and the Federation fanboys pulled with the KDF: 'You'll get more content later'.
We have less than what the KDf had, because we aren't even independent faction, just an expansion aimed at bringing more content to the two existing factions. Everything about this expansion screems how little Cryptic was willing to commit to making a decent, honest-to-goodness Rommie faction, all the while going trigger happy at every concievable opportunity where they could double dip content with the KDF and Federation. And hey, at least the Klingons don't get saddled with Klingons who don't act like Klingons. the Romulan Republic is led for *D'Tan* for crying out loud, it could not channel less of the Romulan vibe if it tried right now.
We have less than what the KDf had, because we aren't even independent faction, just an expansion aimed at bringing more content to the two existing factions. Everything about this expansion screems how little Cryptic was willing to commit to making a decent, honest-to-goodness Rommie faction, all the while going trigger happy at every concievable opportunity where they could double dip content with the KDF and Federation. And hey, at least the Klingons don't get saddled with Klingons who don't act like Klingons. the Romulan Republic is led for *D'Tan* for crying out loud, it could not channel less of the Romulan vibe if it tried right now.
Yeah Vulcans with Romulan clothes , soon to purge all emotion. No starbases or fleets.
And I do not dislike Americans as a race, I am just critical of the culture that is instilled in its citizens. Even a majority of American friends I have (which actually accounts for more friends than I have here in Canada due to the internet) would call their own country racist as heck.
You know, when we manage to wash the stain of First Nation's kids being forcibly taken from their homes and families and forced into indoctrination schools, and the rash of abrogated treaties/steamrolling that's been done to them...and the constant war between Quebec and RoC...off our own hands, you can start mouthing off about America's xenophobic tendencies. Until then, stop digging the hole, you're embarrassing me and I'm sure others who call Canada home.
"Oh, I'm happy with just getting Romulans and a warbird no matter what. I dont even care if they get less than what the kdf have, because I just want to play Romulan." - Half the forum a week ago.
"Everything is so awful, we're having to make loose ties to another faction in order to ensure we have similar features when the faction is deployed. Wahwahwah." That same half now.
"Oh, I'm happy with just getting Romulans and a warbird no matter what. I dont even care if they get less than what the kdf have, because I just want to play Romulan." - Half the forum a week ago.
"Everything is so awful, we're having to make loose ties to another faction in order to ensure we have similar features when the faction is deployed. Wahwahwah." That same half now.
Care to give anything to back up those broad generalizations and misleading distortions? 'Loose' ties are the last words I would use to describe the current situation. The Rommies could not buddy up to the KDF/FED without being part of the FED/KDF. They are nothing more than a 'stealth' update to the KDF and FED, considiering how almsot all of their content will be available to FED and KDF players in soem form as well.
I believe the reason why Cryptic is doing this, as I've originally stated before, is because the 'Alien-Gen Hybrids' are especially designed Half-Romulans that have an original assortment of multi-species options (Perhaps like a Romulan-Trill hybrid with a choice of having a symbiote or not. Maybe more simply just a Romulan-Klingon/Human etc.).
I want to express disdain for some plans for Legacy of Romulus. There's a lot of raging over speculation: I want to rage on something not speculative. I want to complain about something they've specifically stated in the Ask Cryptic: if you're a silver player, a feature of Star Trek Online that has been free since the very launch of the game and the relaunch at free to play will be locked away from you for this faction until you decide to subscribe.
I find this concept abhorrent. Firstly, it's been stated that the alien-generator for the Romulan Republic will be locked to being "hybrid only", meaning that you can't make full fledged alien species, only hybrids, because the Romulans are a "xenophobic species". Now although this would make sense for the Tal Shiar, or the old Star Empire, as soon as you showed Klingons on the surface of New Romulus teaching Romulans mok'bara, you kind of lose the argument that New Romulans are xenophobic. The alien generator hasn't been updated in 3 years. Limiting it is insulting.
But you can argue that all day long. What is insulting is that silver players are being locked off from features this game has given away for free before. Yes, yes, I know this is only for "the new faction", but what kind of precedence does this set? If they can start locking off content to future factions that was previously free to everyone, what keeps this game from being "Free to Play! ... as long as you play Federation or Klingon. If you want to play Romulan or Cardassian or any number of the other expanded factions, even the simplist features such as the CHARACTER CREATOR will cost you money!"
Previously, the TRILL were added to the KDF because people earned them. People preordered the game. Now we're saying you can't have a full-featured alien generator for these guys over here? Now we're saying "Yeah, we know this content was free before in the past, but for all the NEW content we're making it'll be a paid unlocked?" Why aren't people up in arms over this?
I'm a LIFETIMER for crying out loud and the lead host on Podcast UGC, and I'm furious over this because it means the future of this game will be up to grabs. Nothing keeps them from saying "Well, the NEXT expansion is completely free! Except for this thing that was free before, and these tiers of missions, oh and this standard equipment over here ..."
What say you guys?
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I want to express disdain for some plans for Legacy of Romulus. There's a lot of raging over speculation: I want to rage on something not speculative. I want to complain about something they've specifically stated in the Ask Cryptic: if you're a silver player, a feature of Star Trek Online that has been free since the very launch of the game and the relaunch at free to play will be locked away from you for this faction until you decide to subscribe.
I find this concept abhorrent. Firstly, it's been stated that the alien-generator for the Romulan Republic will be locked to being "hybrid only", meaning that you can't make full fledged alien species, only hybrids, because the Romulans are a "xenophobic species". Now although this would make sense for the Tal Shiar, or the old Star Empire, as soon as you showed Klingons on the surface of New Romulus teaching Romulans mok'bara, you kind of lose the argument that New Romulans are xenophobic. The alien generator hasn't been updated in 3 years. Limiting it is insulting.
But you can argue that all day long. What is insulting is that silver players are being locked off from features this game has given away for free before. Yes, yes, I know this is only for "the new faction", but what kind of precedence does this set? If they can start locking off content to future factions that was previously free to everyone, what keeps this game from being "Free to Play! ... as long as you play Federation or Klingon. If you want to play Romulan or Cardassian or any number of the other expanded factions, even the simplist features such as the CHARACTER CREATOR will cost you money!"
Previously, the TRILL were added to the KDF because people earned them. People preordered the game. Now we're saying you can't have a full-featured alien generator for these guys over here? Now we're saying "Yeah, we know this content was free before in the past, but for all the NEW content we're making it'll be a paid unlocked?" Why aren't people up in arms over this?
I'm a LIFETIMER for crying out loud and the lead host on Podcast UGC, and I'm furious over this because it means the future of this game will be up to grabs. Nothing keeps them from saying "Well, the NEXT expansion is completely free! Except for this thing that was free before, and these tiers of missions, oh and this standard equipment over here ..."
What say you guys?
I quit, is what I'll have to say.
The game seemed rather promising at first, until I hit the 50 ceiling... and then it started to get sour. I'll have to note to pay attention to this kind of thing if I ever get involved in an MMO again.
Maybe I will come back in the future; maybe I won't.
Everybody keeps saying this but I have no idea where it comes from. They may have a superiority complex, but that's not the same thing. In TOS I see one Romulan commander tell Kirk they could've been friends; I see another try to get in Spock's pants and using Klingon ships. In TNG I see a bunch of Romulans working with Spock towards Reunification. In DS9 they work with the other powers against the Dominion; in Voyager one takes a message from U.S.S. Voyager to their own government to be passed on to the Federation.
So what's the source? Or is it, as I suspect, just people parroting other people who said it?
p.s. Isolationism does not equal xenophobia. The U.S. has a history of isolationism because it just didn't want to get involved. Not the same thing.
This is a good point and the way I see it is that D'Tan is simply getting rid of that isolationism so that they can rebuild.
I could understand where the limitation of hybrid-only could possibly be a directive from CBS.
They might not want to see a Ferengi commanding a D'deridex in the name of the New Romulan Republic.
As far as gating the limited alien hybrids to Gold only, I agree with you. I would prefer a compromise where the hybrids are unlocked for Silver players by reaching max level with a standard NRR character.
Gating standard features behind the paywall is definitely a slippery slope. After all, there should be almost nothing a Silver member can't do or use after spending enough time that a Gold can get right away.
The game seemed rather promising at first, until I hit the 50 ceiling... and then it started to get sour. I'll have to note to pay attention to this kind of thing if I ever get involved in an MMO again.
Maybe I will come back in the future; maybe I won't.
Great another rage quitter man you guys are annoying I mean sure its you're right to quit simply cause something you didn't like happened but damnit its still a stupid decision
I believe the reason why Cryptic is doing this, as I've originally stated before, is because the 'Alien-Gen Hybrids' are especially designed Half-Romulans that have an original assortment of multi-species options (Perhaps like a Romulan-Trill hybrid with a choice of having a symbiote or not. Maybe more simply just a Romulan-Klingon/Human etc.).
Joined Trill is a Zen store unlock, the Alien-hybrid is not. Exclusive to Gold and Lifetime.
I could understand where the limitation of hybrid-only could possibly be a directive from CBS.
They might not want to see a Ferengi commanding a D'deridex in the name of the New Romulan Republic.
As far as gating the limited alien hybrids to Gold only, I agree with you. I would prefer a compromise where the hybrids are unlocked for Silver players by reaching max level with a standard NRR character.
Gating standard features behind the paywall is definitely a slippery slope. After all, there should be almost nothing a Silver member can't do or use after spending enough time that a Gold can get right away.
We will likely be getting Ferengi piloting D'deridex's anyways, considerign they have stated that they are considering putting Romulan ships into lockboxes for everyone, including KDF and Feds, so I don't think that's the reason they are doing this. At any rate, if they wanted to restrict access/squeeze a bit more juice out of the FTP, they could at least just put that option in the zen store, so FTP could at least earn it. Linking it to Gold/Lifetime? Now it's downright impossible for FTP to get ahold of it.
Great another rage quitter man you guys are annoying I mean sure its you're right to quit simply cause something you didn't like happened but damnit its still a stupid decision
I don't like feeling used, and I'm feeling slightly abused. One thing after another, and it's been piling up for awhile now.
Gonna pack up and call it quits, just as soon as I have an opportunity to dump my dilithium on a fleet project.
I find this concept abhorrent. Firstly, it's been stated that the alien-generator for the Romulan Republic will be locked to being "hybrid only", meaning that you can't make full fledged alien species, only hybrids, because the Romulans are a "xenophobic species". Now although this would make sense for the Tal Shiar, or the old Star Empire, as soon as you showed Klingons on the surface of New Romulus teaching Romulans mok'bara, you kind of lose the argument that New Romulans are xenophobic.
The New Romulans may be attempting to abandon Romulan Xenophobia, but remember: New Romulans are a NEW thing. They've existed for...well, not all that long, if all of this is occurring in the groundhog's year of 2409. That's not enough time to replace their officer corps, nor spontaneously produce an entire population of non-Romuloids.
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Romulons may get the most ships to pick from, but they also have the least races to pick from. They are less versatile captains and to a degree less versatile Boffs, but with more versatile ships. How fair a tradeoff that turns out to be remains to be seen.
Not really off to a good start.
I am going to have a really hard time feeling romulan standing in the refugee camp wearing my winter jacket replica beaming up to my ship with no cloak and taking orders from the federation or the klingons.
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I know this conflicts heaviliy with PvP as Romulans may be grouped against each other. However, PvP in STO is silly anyway. As Dan pointed out the most frequented PvP queue is Fed vs Fed which doesn't make any sense either. We probably have to wait for a complete revamp of STO's PvP system.
However, the IP should come first for STO, even if this results in a faction which has few ships and only 1-3 species to choose from. I would rather have this than a Romulan Republic with countless silly Alien characters and Federation/Klingon ships.
We may not have the alien or hybrid options, but rommie characters ahve access to the ships of their alled faction, and there are plans to put Romulan ships into lockboxes available to Federation and Klingon players as well, so don't expect the romulans to be exempt from this phenomena either.
and with the new trait system, that likely wont matter anymore. in fact it could well be why they overhauled the trait system.
According to the devs PvP was supposed to depict the ongoing war between Feds and KDF. However Feds demanded their own Fed vs Fed queue a few years (?) back because they almost always lost against KDF players thanks to both lack of skill and a varying degree of overpowered KDF gear (this is solved now). Since then PvP is just a silly amusement with no backup in the story. Having Romulans fight each other doesn't really make it worse. PvP in STO is complete bollocks to begin with.
Yes, I heard of that and I consider this the real problem. Why do they even bother making different factions when everyone gets to fly everyones ships?
True, but that's the reason people better accept that PvP is meaningless storywise in STO. As Dan stated Romulans remain part of their Republic but ship commanders may create somewhat loose ties to one of the other factions, which will be explained in their episodes. It's not a real alliance, it's more like an officer exchange in the end.
Why not think of PVP as "war games" ? Training scenarios?
Just sit down, shut up, and enjoy what you've got. Oh, and to pull the same schtick that Cryptic and the Federation fanboys pulled with the KDF: 'You'll get more content later'.
My character Tsin'xing
Yeah Vulcans with Romulan clothes , soon to purge all emotion. No starbases or fleets.
You know, when we manage to wash the stain of First Nation's kids being forcibly taken from their homes and families and forced into indoctrination schools, and the rash of abrogated treaties/steamrolling that's been done to them...and the constant war between Quebec and RoC...off our own hands, you can start mouthing off about America's xenophobic tendencies. Until then, stop digging the hole, you're embarrassing me and I'm sure others who call Canada home.
But.... the current tribble build gives even alien chars preset traits. Different ones based on branch, but presets.
My character Tsin'xing
"Everything is so awful, we're having to make loose ties to another faction in order to ensure we have similar features when the faction is deployed. Wahwahwah." That same half now.
I find this concept abhorrent. Firstly, it's been stated that the alien-generator for the Romulan Republic will be locked to being "hybrid only", meaning that you can't make full fledged alien species, only hybrids, because the Romulans are a "xenophobic species". Now although this would make sense for the Tal Shiar, or the old Star Empire, as soon as you showed Klingons on the surface of New Romulus teaching Romulans mok'bara, you kind of lose the argument that New Romulans are xenophobic. The alien generator hasn't been updated in 3 years. Limiting it is insulting.
But you can argue that all day long. What is insulting is that silver players are being locked off from features this game has given away for free before. Yes, yes, I know this is only for "the new faction", but what kind of precedence does this set? If they can start locking off content to future factions that was previously free to everyone, what keeps this game from being "Free to Play! ... as long as you play Federation or Klingon. If you want to play Romulan or Cardassian or any number of the other expanded factions, even the simplist features such as the CHARACTER CREATOR will cost you money!"
Previously, the TRILL were added to the KDF because people earned them. People preordered the game. Now we're saying you can't have a full-featured alien generator for these guys over here? Now we're saying "Yeah, we know this content was free before in the past, but for all the NEW content we're making it'll be a paid unlocked?" Why aren't people up in arms over this?
I'm a LIFETIMER for crying out loud and the lead host on Podcast UGC, and I'm furious over this because it means the future of this game will be up to grabs. Nothing keeps them from saying "Well, the NEXT expansion is completely free! Except for this thing that was free before, and these tiers of missions, oh and this standard equipment over here ..."
What say you guys?
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
I quit, is what I'll have to say.
The game seemed rather promising at first, until I hit the 50 ceiling... and then it started to get sour. I'll have to note to pay attention to this kind of thing if I ever get involved in an MMO again.
Maybe I will come back in the future; maybe I won't.
This is a good point and the way I see it is that D'Tan is simply getting rid of that isolationism so that they can rebuild.
They might not want to see a Ferengi commanding a D'deridex in the name of the New Romulan Republic.
As far as gating the limited alien hybrids to Gold only, I agree with you. I would prefer a compromise where the hybrids are unlocked for Silver players by reaching max level with a standard NRR character.
Gating standard features behind the paywall is definitely a slippery slope. After all, there should be almost nothing a Silver member can't do or use after spending enough time that a Gold can get right away.
Great another rage quitter man you guys are annoying I mean sure its you're right to quit simply cause something you didn't like happened but damnit its still a stupid decision
Joined Trill is a Zen store unlock, the Alien-hybrid is not. Exclusive to Gold and Lifetime.
I don't like feeling used, and I'm feeling slightly abused. One thing after another, and it's been piling up for awhile now.
Gonna pack up and call it quits, just as soon as I have an opportunity to dump my dilithium on a fleet project.