The Federation invented there own Cloking Technolgie and are using them like i red in some books if they have to. I think the Titan did it but i read not only one book series i read many. And i think the Fed Cloak is even better or as good as the Romulan or Klingon Cloak. So time to do it Ingame as well. And make the Klingonships as good as the Fed ones in hull and shield stats.
One one Titans Shuttles has cloak and not only the shuttle they have personal away team cloak too. Or had it in one of the 1. 3 books i think it was the 2nd.
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Incorrect. The DS9:TM is very clear as to what Ablative Armor is.
The DS9:TM is soft canon, and regardless does not change that implementing this armour onto all ships would be costly and time consuming.
When it functions under the exact same concepts, it absolutely is.
Oh really now? Do you honestly think it's the same to integrate ablative armour onto ships never designed for it than it is to swap it out on body armour?
Incorrect. You've explained why you want there to be no legal obligations. Those wants don't take on a life of their own, go into the lore and change things.
There are no legal obligations.
The treaty is defunct.
The last we heard of the Romulan Star Empire, it was of their head of state openly attacking us.
We have had multiple instances of invasions, neutral zone violations and firefights from both sides and yet you still cling on to the utterly insane belief that a peace treaty still exists between the two sides.
You know, even Neville Chamberlain accepted that the TRIBBLE were at war with Britain.
I'm not the one writing STO's lore. I personally find the notion of upholding a treaty with a defunct government puzzling and strange. But it doesn't mean I reject the entire concept because I don't like it.
I reject the concept because it is illogical. No leader would act this way without being called out on it.
Bottom line: unless and until the STO story provides for the dismantling of the Treaty and Okeeg's executive order, that's the environment that the game operates under.
Okeeg's order means nothing because it's based on a fantasy, in any logical scenario the Federation council would veto this. If not when it was made, then certainly when Empress Sela began SHOOTING AT US.
Hence, Starfleet should pressure the Federation Council, who should in turn either force the President to stand down on this, or impeach it.
Refusing to implement an easily manufacturable, installable and usable technology that can save lives for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER is criminal.
Except his decision is not morally wrong but was done for morally upright reasons, as stated in the Path to 2409.
So if I, if a government, made a whole bunch of weaponized Anthrax and killed all of China, Im morally right becuase I manufacturer an easy item that saved lives by killing them?
The DS9:TM is soft canon, and regardless does not change that implementing this armour onto all ships would be costly and time consuming.
Oh really now? Do you honestly think it's the same to integrate ablative armour onto ships never designed for it than it is to swap it out on body armour?
There are no legal obligations.
The treaty is defunct.
The last we heard of the Romulan Star Empire, it was of their head of state openly attacking us.
We have had multiple instances of invasions, neutral zone violations and firefights from both sides and yet you still cling on to the utterly insane belief that a peace treaty still exists between the two sides.
You know, even Neville Chamberlain accepted that the TRIBBLE were at war with Britain.
I reject the concept because it is illogical. No leader would act this way without being called out on it.
Okeeg's order means nothing because it's based on a fantasy, in any logical scenario the Federation council would veto this. If not when it was made, then certainly when Empress Sela began SHOOTING AT US.
I'm done. You've convinced yourself that your own wants are more important to the story than the story itself.
A ship under cloak has no shields. A ship with no shields can be blown apart by any random torpedo. Putting the lives of their crews in such jeopardy is not Starfleet's way of conduct.
Those people are not Klingon. Their families will not be proud that their children/spouses/parents died a glorious death and vent to Heaven. They will burn down Starfleet HQ for sending their loved ones in a ship that cruises without shields.
The only thing that Starfleet might be compelled to use cloak for are reconnaissance/spying missions. In this game the Defiant class can cloak and it's a perfect little ship with small crew that can be consisted of specialists that agree with the risk while taking that kind of a mission. I don't see what your problem is?
They're not going to expose the 2500 men and women aboard an Odyssey to that kind of risk and certainly not expose the children and families aboard Galaxy class ships to that kind of risk.
A ship under cloak also can't be detected, hence it is an overall advantage.
Romulans and Klingons have used cloaks for centuries and it has provably given them an advantage not just in combat but in safety.
How many encounters with hostile aliens or anomalies of the week could be solved if only the ship could disappear?
You keep trying now. I read somewhere that if you keep wishing for something hard enough, it will come true! :rolleyes:
That seems to be the logic behind arguing for the existence of a non-existent treaty, not mine.
Criminal incompetence?! LOL
I guess you'll have to learn to live with certain things like:
Aenik Okeg is the President of the United Federation of Planets, not you.
Aenik Okeg was ellected for President for 3 times in a row, not you.
The Federation Council fully backs up Okeg's policies, and unfortunately for you - you're not a member of it.
And George W. Bush was never voted out of office. What's your point?
I am stating quite plainly that the actions of the character are criminal, whether Cryptic decide to do something about this or not in the story does not change this.
This "person" has jeapordised the lives of Federation citizens out of it's own deep personal cowardice.
And finally, you don't own the rights to the IP, CBS does. And CBS are not fond of Federation ships using cloaks.
I'm done. You've convinced yourself that your own wants are more important to the story than the story itself.
When you're ready to have an adult conversation based on the facts of the game's lore, and not your own irrational demands let me know. Until then, keep living in your wonderful self-delusion that everything you want should given to you on a silver platter for no other reason than you want it.
You have not once presented a single shred of evidence for your cause, other than the actions of one single character who's thoughts are clearly at odds with the reality of the world around it.
There are no legal obligations.
The treaty is defunct.
The last we heard of the Romulan Star Empire, it was of their head of state openly attacking us.
Your position on this is defunct. What part of "it's not about the treaty anymore" don't you understand?
It's about the values and the moral high-road the Federation choses to take. They want to show the rest of the universe that they're the white knights in shining armor.
We have had multiple instances of invasions, neutral zone violations and firefights from both sides and yet you still cling on to the utterly insane belief that a peace treaty still exists between the two sides.
Okeeg's order means nothing because it's based on a fantasy, in any logical scenario the Federation council would veto this. If not when it was made, then certainly when Empress Sela began SHOOTING AT US.
Except they won't veto it, this whole IP is based on fantasy and in any logical scenario the council would do anything that the holders of the IP tell them to do. :rolleyes:
Except his decision is not morally wrong but was done for morally upright reasons, as stated in the Path to 2409.
WHAT reasons? There are no moral, ethical or legal reasons to do this.
So if I, if a government, made a whole bunch of weaponized Anthrax and killed all of China, Im morally right becuase I manufacturer an easy item that saved lives by killing them?
And once again I have to point out that a cloaking device is not a weapon of mass destruction.
It is not a bomb.
It is not a disease.
It is not a laser mounted onto a shark.
It is a technology that allows a ship to vanish from visuals and sensors, allowing effective retreats, surveys of primitive worlds without interference, safe reconnaissance and safe exploration.
It has numerous uses for the peace oriented Federation.
Your position on this is defunct. What part of "it's not about the treaty anymore" don't you understand?
It's about the values and the moral high-road the Federation choses to take. They want to show the rest of the universe that they're the white knights in shining armor.
You have yet to explain why cloaks violate these values.
So say you. Your opinion = nothing in Star Trek lore.
Neither is yours, sparky.
Mine is backed up from the numerous times incompetent and dangerous leaders have been called out on the show.
Except they won't veto it, this whole IP is based on fantasy and in any logical scenario the council would do anything that the holders of the IP tell them to do. :rolleyes:
People ask for a way cloaks could be implemented, I have given the way. This would be exceptionally easy to write, because the possibility is there. In fact, the logic of the world demands either a change of heart on the President's part, or for somebody else to step in.
You have yet to explain why cloaks violate these values.
I did that on many ocassions and you've sucessfuly ignored every single one of them. So excuse me for not bothering to repeat myself if you don't bother reading them.
Neither is yours, sparky.
Mine is backed up from the numerous times incompetent and dangerous leaders have been called out on the show.
I based my opinion on what I saw in the shows, how the Federation was portrayed in those shows and what I've read in the lore.
On the other hand, yours is based up on nothing but personal whishes and desires
People ask for a way cloaks could be implemented, I have given the way. This would be exceptionally easy to write, because the possibility is there. In fact, the logic of the world demands either a change of heart on the President's part, or for somebody else to step in.
And there you go, trying to impose your logic of the world to the people of the 25 century and also everyone else that happens to disagree. Nice going there! :rolleyes:
This is the same Federation that will one day think it is okay to try and convict someone for a crime they might commit in the future.
And hell yes this is part of STO. I fly the ship class where this event took place. I have the dude who actually arrested someone for something they haven't done yet in my DOFF roster.
I did that on many ocassions and you've sucessfuly ignored every single one of them. So excuse me for not bothering to repeat myself if you don't bother reading them.
I've ignored nothing. You've made vague claims of "bad sneaky Federation!" which means little.
I based my opinion of what I saw in the shows, how the Federation was portrayed in those shows and what I've read in the lore.
On the other hand, yours is based up on nothing but personal whishes and desires
Yeah, like I said, the same Federation that convicts people for future crimes.
Moral bastions.
And there you go, trying to impose your logic of the world to the people of the 25 century and also everyone else that happens to disagree. Nice going there! :rolleyes:
Oh so one minute it's a fictional world that can be written, the next it's people of the 25th century with thoughts incomprehensible to us?
Whichever convenes you the most I guess, eh?
Yeah, like I said, the same Federation that convicts people for future crimes.
Moral bastions.
So, is this about the Star Trek lore or about this game now?
Because the lore reasons for the Federation ships not having a cloak are different from the gameplay reasons.
Oh so one minute it's a fictional world that can be written, the next it's people of the 25th century with thoughts incomprehensible to us?
Whichever convenes you the most I guess, eh?
I didn't say that their thoughts are incomprehensible to us. They're not for me at least. You on the other hand obviosely have a problem understanding them.
Also yes, it's a fictional world that can be written, but it must be done consistenly, otherwise it would end up stupid and pointless and a lame show that noone would watch overall.
I have also given other examples that you still ignore.
Only ones I've seen involve non-existent ethical issues, thematic issues that are easily overcome and a defunct treaty.
So, is this about the Star Trek lore or about this game now?
Because the lore reasons for the Federation ships not having a cloak are different from the gameplay reasons.
Sure, and both are moot.
I didn't say that their thoughts are incomprehensible to us. They're not for me at least. You on the other hand obviosely have a problem understanding them.
If you're seriously suggesting that these are a people who would give up a tactical and exploratory advantage for absolutely no reason whatsoever then yes I don't understand them.
Also yes, it's a fictional world that can be written, but it must be done consistenly, otherwise it would end up stupid and pointless and a lame show that noone would watch overall.
And I have demonstrated that the Federation implementing cloaking technology would be perfectly consistent.
I seem to remember a quote about arguing on the internet, what it does, and what it makes you look like.....
Perhaps you three should all cool it, and sit quietly for a while instead of these stupid circular arguments which are COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC!
Off topic to you, maybe. Not to me.
Now with the advent of the Romulans, it is only fair and logical for the Federation to have integrated non-console cloaks for most of it's ships.
The KDF would keep it's battle cloaks for BoPs, the Romulans battle cloaks for larger ships and the Federation no battle cloaks at all, due to lack of experience.
Now with the advent of the Romulans, it is only fair and logical for the Federation to have integrated non-console cloaks for most of it's ships.
To me this just sounds like a thinly veiled excuse because you want fed ships to have cloaks, and you're trying to bend the lore and "logic" to make it fit.
Does it even matter if it's logical? IT WON'T HAPPEN. No matter how much you argue and try to convince everyone it's the logical thing to happen, it's not going to.
Ever.
Cryptic don't want it.
CBS won't allow it.
Feds won't have cloaking devices fitted to all of their ships as standard so forget about it and roll a damn KDF or Romulan character if you want cloak!
LOL
I only continued this discussion to prove if I was right about something I assumed. Since it was confirmed I'm done for now.
I sincerely apologize to everyone and especially the OP for helping to derail the thread.
Lizwei, for someone who's obiousely watched the Star Trek shows you show astonishingly low levels of understanding of Trek.
So, I'll leave you with a quote from Stirling, who pretty much sumed it up. Have a nice day!
I'm done. You've convinced yourself that your own wants are more important to the story than the story itself.
When you're ready to have an adult conversation based on the facts of the game's lore, and not your own irrational demands let me know. Until then, keep living in your wonderful self-delusion that everything you want should given to you on a silver platter for no other reason than you want it.
To me this just sounds like a thinly veiled excuse because you want fed ships to have cloaks, and you're trying to bend the lore and "logic" to make it fit.
Does it even matter if it's logical? IT WON'T HAPPEN. No matter how much you argue and try to convince everyone it's the logical thing to happen, it's not going to.
Ever.
Cryptic don't want it.
CBS won't allow it.
Feds won't have cloaking devices fitted to all of their ships as standard so forget about it and roll a damn KDF or Romulan character if you want cloak!
Yadda yadda yadda. Not being a defeatist personally, I'll say what I please.
I am speaking only for a certain degree of parity, and demonstrating why the lore and game allow this.
Also, CBS will allow it, because they have allowed it. There are two Fed ship types with cloaks in the game. Stop playing the CBS card to defend a non-existent point.
LOL
I only continued this discussion to prove if I was right about something I assumed. Since it was confirmed I'm done for now.
I sincerely apologize to everyone and especially the OP for helping to derail the thread.
Lizwei, for someone who's obiousely watched the Star Trek shows you show astonishingly low levels of understanding of Trek.
So, I'll leave you with a quote from Stirling, who pretty much sumed it up. Have a nice day!
My my, such an astonishing amount of ego in this thread. Can't admit you're wrong, so you insult and fly away.
Doesn't bother me personally, I only wish I could debate with people who could actually behave rationally instead of thinking it is a war they must win to collect the last 5000 internet points needed for their epeen achievement.
Also, CBS will allow it, because they have allowed it. There are two Fed ship types with cloaks in the game. Stop playing the CBS card to defend a non-existent point.
Of course they allowed it for the Defiant and Gal-x, they were both shown to have cloaks on the TV screen making it canon. If the Defiant didn't have a cloaking device on DS9, CBS wouldn't have allowed the in-game ship to have a cloaking device. Is that really too hard to understand? I guess it must be.
Of course they allowed it for the Defiant and Gal-x, they were both shown to have cloaks on the TV screen making it canon. If the Defiant didn't have a cloaking device on DS9, CBS wouldn't have allowed the in-game ship to have a cloaking device. Is that really too hard to understand? I guess it must be.
Must be hard for you to understand that even if you could argue that for the Galaxy X despite only having a cloak in an alternate reality, the Defiant CLASS never had cloaks on the show, not even the Defiant used to replace the destroyed one.
If you can't admit this is CBS allowing for a whole line of ships to be manufactured with a cloak, thus opening the door for any ship to be likewise equipped you are simply being obtuse.
Must be hard for you to understand that even if you could argue that for the Galaxy X despite only having a cloak in an alternate reality, the Defiant CLASS never had cloaks on the show, not even the Defiant used to replace the destroyed one.
If you can't admit this is CBS allowing for a whole line of ships to be manufactured with a cloak, thus opening the door for any ship to be likewise equipped you are simply being obtuse.
According to canon Riker's Enterprise from his days as an Admiral had a cloak. And so when they made that ship in this universe, it has a cloak. That's CBS standing up for canon! Besides that ship is so advanced compared to all the other ship from this time period, so it's just naturally superior. It's bigger, has more tech, better tech, more space for that tech, and all those other reasons people use to explain why it's canon and why it works. You wouldn't put a cloak in a wooden sailing ship would you?
The Defiant got the cloak because Geko loves DS9. Or something.
Must be hard for you to understand that even if you could argue that for the Galaxy X despite only having a cloak in an alternate reality, the Defiant CLASS never had cloaks on the show, not even the Defiant used to replace the destroyed one.
If you can't admit this is CBS allowing for a whole line of ships to be manufactured with a cloak, thus opening the door for any ship to be likewise equipped you are simply being obtuse.
As it happens you have somewhat of a point regarding the defiant class, personally I don't think they should be allowed to cloak either. The solution would be to remove the cloaking device from the defiant class rather than add a cloaking device for every federation ship because it's allowed now, apparently.
Personally I just don't think the people at CBS looked into it too closely - they just knew the defiant could cloak so they allowed the c-store ship to have a cloak, and that's it.
I can see why everyone else gets frustrated with you and just abandons all hope....
I'm doing the same, I'll come back to this thread if it ever gets back on topic - which it probably won't now.
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Nope
Federation tech + Ferengi tech+ Klingon tech lasts a few minutes at least
So you went from "incompatible" to "compatible when I want it to be" to "well it's really both incompatible and compatible at the same time when I want it to be". At least you're consolidating all your insane answers.
Look Three techs works where two doesn't
same principle as using an adaptor on your TV
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when did you last see someone in trek making a warp core by hand??
See Geordi and Dr. Brahms discussing the construction and design of the Galaxy class starship.
Every component of which was made in a Replicator
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the universe???
we older folks do not depend on wikithikia
Translation: I have absolutely nothing to back my arguments up with.
Correct you don't
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Treaty made them Cardassian
Wrong. It evicted those Federation colonists who lived on worlds that were given to Cardassia. The Maquis chose to stay and fight for those worlds, and to protect colonies in the DMZ from Cardassian raids.
Rewatch
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The Bajorans did
and its not a race war many marquis ARE Cardassian
I think your credibility just moved into negative territory.
Watch voyager
carefully
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He did not get Caught
of course he died and went into oblivion so we can't brig him now
So your whole argument about "it never happened" doesn't apply when someone doesn't see it?
Criminals who are not caught do not get jailed
simple enough??
there is exactly one main universe cloaked fed ship it carrys a romulan cloak
its the defiant
A long, long time ago, the cloaking mechanic encountered a problem. Cryptic said it was going to be timely and require a per map fix. This would be expensive.
Here's the problem: Cryptic, then stated it was working as intended. No, it wasn't, random decloaking was never how intended, you said so yourselves, don't change your mind just because its an expensive fix.
Return to admitting its an expensive fix, a one that's too time consuming and expensive to do. That's fair enough, these things happen.
Also, for fed cloaks if/when that comes up:
?The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed,? [Federation President] Okeg said. ?The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation?s commitment to peace.?
Personally I just don't think the people at CBS looked into it too closely - they just knew the defiant could cloak so they allowed the c-store ship to have a cloak, and that's it.
That's nigh on full blasphemy. CBS, especially if you go by how Cryptic describes the interaction, has worked tirelessly for years to maintain the integrity of the Star Trek IP in how it's represented in this game. If they allowed the cloaks, they had a reason. A very good Trek-ish reason. To question them is ... I mean ... wow, just wow.
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One one Titans Shuttles has cloak and not only the shuttle they have personal away team cloak too. Or had it in one of the 1. 3 books i think it was the 2nd.
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The DS9:TM is soft canon, and regardless does not change that implementing this armour onto all ships would be costly and time consuming.
Oh really now? Do you honestly think it's the same to integrate ablative armour onto ships never designed for it than it is to swap it out on body armour?
There are no legal obligations.
The treaty is defunct.
The last we heard of the Romulan Star Empire, it was of their head of state openly attacking us.
We have had multiple instances of invasions, neutral zone violations and firefights from both sides and yet you still cling on to the utterly insane belief that a peace treaty still exists between the two sides.
You know, even Neville Chamberlain accepted that the TRIBBLE were at war with Britain.
I reject the concept because it is illogical. No leader would act this way without being called out on it.
Okeeg's order means nothing because it's based on a fantasy, in any logical scenario the Federation council would veto this. If not when it was made, then certainly when Empress Sela began SHOOTING AT US.
Except his decision is not morally wrong but was done for morally upright reasons, as stated in the Path to 2409.
So if I, if a government, made a whole bunch of weaponized Anthrax and killed all of China, Im morally right becuase I manufacturer an easy item that saved lives by killing them?
R.I.P
I'm done. You've convinced yourself that your own wants are more important to the story than the story itself.
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A ship under cloak also can't be detected, hence it is an overall advantage.
Romulans and Klingons have used cloaks for centuries and it has provably given them an advantage not just in combat but in safety.
How many encounters with hostile aliens or anomalies of the week could be solved if only the ship could disappear?
That seems to be the logic behind arguing for the existence of a non-existent treaty, not mine.
And George W. Bush was never voted out of office. What's your point?
I am stating quite plainly that the actions of the character are criminal, whether Cryptic decide to do something about this or not in the story does not change this.
This "person" has jeapordised the lives of Federation citizens out of it's own deep personal cowardice.
The Defiant and Galaxy X want a word with you.
You have not once presented a single shred of evidence for your cause, other than the actions of one single character who's thoughts are clearly at odds with the reality of the world around it.
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Your position on this is defunct. What part of "it's not about the treaty anymore" don't you understand?
It's about the values and the moral high-road the Federation choses to take. They want to show the rest of the universe that they're the white knights in shining armor.
Not about the treaty anymore...:rolleyes:
So say you. Your opinion = nothing in Star Trek lore.
Except they won't veto it, this whole IP is based on fantasy and in any logical scenario the council would do anything that the holders of the IP tell them to do. :rolleyes:
WHAT reasons? There are no moral, ethical or legal reasons to do this.
And once again I have to point out that a cloaking device is not a weapon of mass destruction.
It is not a bomb.
It is not a disease.
It is not a laser mounted onto a shark.
It is a technology that allows a ship to vanish from visuals and sensors, allowing effective retreats, surveys of primitive worlds without interference, safe reconnaissance and safe exploration.
It has numerous uses for the peace oriented Federation.
You have yet to explain why cloaks violate these values.
Neither is yours, sparky.
Mine is backed up from the numerous times incompetent and dangerous leaders have been called out on the show.
People ask for a way cloaks could be implemented, I have given the way. This would be exceptionally easy to write, because the possibility is there. In fact, the logic of the world demands either a change of heart on the President's part, or for somebody else to step in.
I did that on many ocassions and you've sucessfuly ignored every single one of them. So excuse me for not bothering to repeat myself if you don't bother reading them.
I based my opinion on what I saw in the shows, how the Federation was portrayed in those shows and what I've read in the lore.
On the other hand, yours is based up on nothing but personal whishes and desires
And there you go, trying to impose your logic of the world to the people of the 25 century and also everyone else that happens to disagree. Nice going there! :rolleyes:
This is the same Federation that will one day think it is okay to try and convict someone for a crime they might commit in the future.
And hell yes this is part of STO. I fly the ship class where this event took place. I have the dude who actually arrested someone for something they haven't done yet in my DOFF roster.
There's your damn white knights.
I've ignored nothing. You've made vague claims of "bad sneaky Federation!" which means little.
Yeah, like I said, the same Federation that convicts people for future crimes.
Moral bastions.
Oh so one minute it's a fictional world that can be written, the next it's people of the 25th century with thoughts incomprehensible to us?
Whichever convenes you the most I guess, eh?
I have also given other examples that you still ignore.
So, is this about the Star Trek lore or about this game now?
Because the lore reasons for the Federation ships not having a cloak are different from the gameplay reasons.
I didn't say that their thoughts are incomprehensible to us. They're not for me at least. You on the other hand obviosely have a problem understanding them.
Also yes, it's a fictional world that can be written, but it must be done consistenly, otherwise it would end up stupid and pointless and a lame show that noone would watch overall.
I seem to remember a quote about arguing on the internet, what it does, and what it makes you look like.....
Perhaps you three should all cool it, and sit quietly for a while instead of these stupid circular arguments which are COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC!
Kirk's Protege.
Only ones I've seen involve non-existent ethical issues, thematic issues that are easily overcome and a defunct treaty.
Sure, and both are moot.
If you're seriously suggesting that these are a people who would give up a tactical and exploratory advantage for absolutely no reason whatsoever then yes I don't understand them.
And I have demonstrated that the Federation implementing cloaking technology would be perfectly consistent.
Off topic to you, maybe. Not to me.
Now with the advent of the Romulans, it is only fair and logical for the Federation to have integrated non-console cloaks for most of it's ships.
The KDF would keep it's battle cloaks for BoPs, the Romulans battle cloaks for larger ships and the Federation no battle cloaks at all, due to lack of experience.
To me this just sounds like a thinly veiled excuse because you want fed ships to have cloaks, and you're trying to bend the lore and "logic" to make it fit.
Does it even matter if it's logical? IT WON'T HAPPEN. No matter how much you argue and try to convince everyone it's the logical thing to happen, it's not going to.
Ever.
Cryptic don't want it.
CBS won't allow it.
Feds won't have cloaking devices fitted to all of their ships as standard so forget about it and roll a damn KDF or Romulan character if you want cloak!
Kirk's Protege.
I only continued this discussion to prove if I was right about something I assumed. Since it was confirmed I'm done for now.
I sincerely apologize to everyone and especially the OP for helping to derail the thread.
Lizwei, for someone who's obiousely watched the Star Trek shows you show astonishingly low levels of understanding of Trek.
So, I'll leave you with a quote from Stirling, who pretty much sumed it up. Have a nice day!
Yadda yadda yadda. Not being a defeatist personally, I'll say what I please.
I am speaking only for a certain degree of parity, and demonstrating why the lore and game allow this.
Also, CBS will allow it, because they have allowed it. There are two Fed ship types with cloaks in the game. Stop playing the CBS card to defend a non-existent point.
My my, such an astonishing amount of ego in this thread. Can't admit you're wrong, so you insult and fly away.
Doesn't bother me personally, I only wish I could debate with people who could actually behave rationally instead of thinking it is a war they must win to collect the last 5000 internet points needed for their epeen achievement.
Alas.
Of course they allowed it for the Defiant and Gal-x, they were both shown to have cloaks on the TV screen making it canon. If the Defiant didn't have a cloaking device on DS9, CBS wouldn't have allowed the in-game ship to have a cloaking device. Is that really too hard to understand? I guess it must be.
Kirk's Protege.
Must be hard for you to understand that even if you could argue that for the Galaxy X despite only having a cloak in an alternate reality, the Defiant CLASS never had cloaks on the show, not even the Defiant used to replace the destroyed one.
If you can't admit this is CBS allowing for a whole line of ships to be manufactured with a cloak, thus opening the door for any ship to be likewise equipped you are simply being obtuse.
The Defiant got the cloak because Geko loves DS9. Or something.
As it happens you have somewhat of a point regarding the defiant class, personally I don't think they should be allowed to cloak either. The solution would be to remove the cloaking device from the defiant class rather than add a cloaking device for every federation ship because it's allowed now, apparently.
Personally I just don't think the people at CBS looked into it too closely - they just knew the defiant could cloak so they allowed the c-store ship to have a cloak, and that's it.
I can see why everyone else gets frustrated with you and just abandons all hope....
I'm doing the same, I'll come back to this thread if it ever gets back on topic - which it probably won't now.
Kirk's Protege.
Look Three techs works where two doesn't
same principle as using an adaptor on your TV
Every component of which was made in a Replicator
Correct you don't
Quote:
Rewatch
Watch voyager
carefully
Criminals who are not caught do not get jailed
simple enough??
there is exactly one main universe cloaked fed ship it carrys a romulan cloak
its the defiant
I can not make this any simpler
A long, long time ago, the cloaking mechanic encountered a problem. Cryptic said it was going to be timely and require a per map fix. This would be expensive.
Here's the problem: Cryptic, then stated it was working as intended. No, it wasn't, random decloaking was never how intended, you said so yourselves, don't change your mind just because its an expensive fix.
Return to admitting its an expensive fix, a one that's too time consuming and expensive to do. That's fair enough, these things happen.
Also, for fed cloaks if/when that comes up:
?The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed,? [Federation President] Okeg said. ?The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation?s commitment to peace.?
But no federation ship should have a cloak
Imagine how horrible PVP would be if Feds couldn't cloak!