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Is cryptic/pwe aware that most people are NOT rich???
chaz200565
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Looking through various comments about projects,especially the special projects,i see that the vast majority see things as i do. That the projects are heavily expensive,especially in dilithium. 200,000 dilithium for projects like this? Vastly overpriced.
The dilithium cap does NOT help us at all,it just slows things down too much.
If the cap won't be altered or removed altogether,then how about it being heavily discounted in all projects no matter what they are? Better still,how about removing dilithium from all projects,so we can speed through them?
Useful projects are needed,and not banners that look like beach towels on a washing line.
In todays economic climate around the world,not everyone is rich or a lottery winner,enough to spend alot on this game.
If cryptic/pwe want to attract more players,surely cheaper prices is the order of the day.
This would give all a level playing field,and make the game alot fairer.
So cryptic/pwe,please wake up and smell the coffee.
Give us all a fair chance.
The dilithium cap does NOT help us at all,it just slows things down too much.
If the cap won't be altered or removed altogether,then how about it being heavily discounted in all projects no matter what they are? Better still,how about removing dilithium from all projects,so we can speed through them?
Useful projects are needed,and not banners that look like beach towels on a washing line.
In todays economic climate around the world,not everyone is rich or a lottery winner,enough to spend alot on this game.
If cryptic/pwe want to attract more players,surely cheaper prices is the order of the day.
This would give all a level playing field,and make the game alot fairer.
So cryptic/pwe,please wake up and smell the coffee.
Give us all a fair chance.
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I'll just jump right in here with the usual response.
200,000 divided between even 40 people is only 5k dilithium a person. Sure, it's a pain for two people to put together at 100,000 dilithium a pop, but these are fleet projects, for an entire fleet. If you're suggesting the dilithium cap be raised you apparently have some extra time every day to play, perhaps turn that extra time towards recruiting active players to your fleet and developing fleet activities that encourage those active players to stay. The sad truth is that I've never met a good fleet leader/guild leader/cabal leader/team leader that had spare time on his hands.
Both my Federation and KDF fleets are medium to large size, have fun, nice people in them that I get along with, and we easily complete these projects with no trouble.
(Blacksheep and Bloodbath and Beyond, freakin' super people.)
If your fleet is too small, either recruit more people who will contribute, or join a larger fleet. Likewise, these are cosmetic changes, so if they are not something you deem useful, then do not slot them.
I lead a cross-game community, we have independent clans or guilds in other games, but in STO, we are merged into those other communities. We are not the lesser for it. I recommend you consider something similar, or otherwise learn to deal with it, because it is not going to change.
I see no issue here.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
By all means, if you want to stereotype and marginalize us, please provide proof or evidence of your assessments. You complained, we countered with our personal knowledge, and not a small amount of logic. If your only retort is to stereotype and marginalize, or "other-ize" and demean us, then you will certainly get yourself nowhere.
Very unfair.
Again, I lead a small but tight-knit community. In STO, we merged with larger fleets. It's the only logical course, and we gained some friends in the process. You should either consider the same, or learn to live with it, because, once more, if you expect a change on Cryptic's behalf, you are fooling yourself. It's not even that they don't care, it's simply that there is no way to balance the system, as they have explained several times.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
I'm not sure you know what that word means.
I did not say i am the majority. you are twisting my words.
Oh, my mistake. So you're the minority then? Are you a bigger minority than the tons of people who never come to the forums or complain about dilithium prices?
The dil cap is exactly what helps to keep the playing field level. Imagine if Joe, living in moms basement (not that there is anything wrong with that ) playing STO 20 hrs a day has no dil cap. He would hit 200,000 in 2 days tops. Than he would gind another million, cash it in for zen, buy all the ships and do dads and rule the game. As is, Joe prob rules the game anyway but at least I have a shot at it.
The dil cap could prob be raised a little but it is critical to game balance to keep it in place.
I do wish dill could be bought on the exchange and I wish it was alittle easier to make ec in the game.
As far as fleet projects, I wish they where heavier on the fleet credits end. The dill is the last thing to fill up. The credits are full immediately and I am always waiting for the next project. The dill gets full in a couple days usually and I wish I could contribute more but it would help me more if I could put more fleet marks in so I could get more fleet credts.
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As for the cost of Fleet advancement ; don't be absurd. The point is it is supposed to take effort to level up a fleet, and that it should be a team effort. If you do not have fleet members willing to contribute, then you do not have a very good fleet. The best members a fleet will get will be the people joining when it is relatively new that help and stick around, because they will have put time and effort into building it. It will mean something to them.
You can also run contests. I am second in command in a new fleet, and we are giving away a Caitian Bridge officer to whoever contributes the most to building the Embassy this month.
Have fun with it.
As far as the Fleet projects, as the name states, they are FLEET PROJECTS. They are designed for the Fleet to accomplish. As has been stated many times, Cryptic based the numbers on the assumption of a 25-player Fleet each playing casually.
I am sorry some players are xenophobic introverts who refuse to make Fleets with other people, but STO is an MMO - Massive Multi-player Online game. It was designed to be played with other people. STO is not an SPG - Single-Player Game.
This game does not require you to be rich to play it. If you think you need every shiny new thing that comes into the C-Store each month, well, that's your hang-up. I do not need every Fleet special project just because it is there. I can do STFS with my T5 RA ships just as easily as I can my T5.5 C-Store and Fleet ships. It grows tiring constantly listening to people should "Nerf X" for no other reason than they want something now rather than earning it.
I don't associate "illusion" with "something you must dedicate an exceptional amount of time and effort to get around".
Bull****. Hitting cap on eight toons in no way takes the same amount of time as hitting cap on one toon.
And last I looked, there's still an 8k hard cap. Not very illusory to me.
If you had bothered to read statements coming out of cryptic, you'll notice that their definition of "25 folks playing casually" has magically changed since the inception of the Fleet Holding mechanic.
And there are vastly more people who have absolutely no interest in being a number in a mob, who actually enjoy knowing the people in their fleet. Additionally, most of those people don't enjoy being locked out of content for the simple fact that they don't want to be a part of the Zerg Swarm.
And yes, doing 10-12 STFs with 1 character is certainly no different than doing 5-6 with 2, unless you're counting the character switching time as being some major factor; and the same is true if you're getting it from Dailies or some combination of all the Dilithium events. It's the same amount of time whether on 1 character or 10, barring switching character time.
And those people need to learn that STO is an MMO, whether they like that or not. Otherwise go play one of the Trek SPGs.
All anyone needs is an internet connection, a computer, and time to play. That is all.
This is a luxury and Cryptic is fully aware of that. Anything in the game anyone thinks they have to pay for is a decision/problem/concern/illusion they have for themself.
There is nothing tangible about this game at all. You can't pick it up and play with it - you can't take it to someone's house and share it - it won't rest on a shelf taking space - you can't pass it down from generation to generation. If/when Cryptic shuts down the server then all your time has already been been spent and all you will keep are memories.
Threads like this complain about ... nothing. It's just a game.
Wow way to completely miss the whole point. I mean you're not even in the same time zone as the point he was making. Perhaps you should try reading what he said, and not what you want to hear?
His point is that the time it takes for 1 character to grind 80,000 Dilithium is the same amount of time it would take for 10 characters to grind 8,000 dilithium. So increasing the cap won't actually change anything. Because if the cap is 8, 16, or 320k it still takes time to grind that much ore.
Wither you grind 16k with 2 characters or 16k with one because they increased the cap, it takes the same amount of time. Well to be completely accurate it would take less time with more characters because if you could refine 16k, you can still only do the dailies once.
Want to go word for word as to what was said?
Nowhere in there is any statement made that he's referring to per character time.
If the original intent was to communicate the above (that the cap can be somewhat worked around by rabidly alting), than that's what should have been said. Not that grinding out 10 toons worth of dilithium takes the same amount of time to grind out 1 toon worth of dilithium.
So please, keep your snark to yourself.
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Way to ignore that magical illusory refinement cap.
The Devs set up their Fleet holdings system based on their statistics. If there were "vastly more people" in small Fleets, then they would have no complaints. Since they have complaints that the system was not tailored to them, but the Devs based their system on the majority, they are obviously not the majority.
(Previous analysis of the project requirements have led us to estimate that the Fleet holdings system is aimed at Fleet sizes of 25.)
Secondly, there is no locked content. If you consider gear to be "content", then you're the reason game companies are hocking worthless DLCs at us (anyone seen the new Lara Croft DLCs?) and deserve the hatred of all gamers.
Further, by your own stated values the system is balanced.
Small Fleet Pro: Not part of mob, get to know people.
Small Fleet Con: Difficult to advance in projects.
Large Fleet Pro: Easier to advance in projects.
Large Fleet Con: Part of mob of strangers.
You don't get to only get the benefits of a choice without suffering the consequences of it. That's not how choices work.
Oh jesus, he really doesn't get it.
1. Make Dil on different toons
2. Make offers to buy Zen for 25 zen
3. Switch to Main toon and cancel all offers.
4. ???????
5. PROFIT
It takes the same amount of effort to grind 80,000 ore with 10 characters as it does to grind 80,000 ore with 1 character. (Actually, it'd be easier.) This means using 10 characters to refine 80,000 dilithium is functionally equivalent to increasing the refinement cap by a factor of 10.