That's not justification enough, not to include them. The Federation TOS unfiroms look like pajamas, yet they exist in STO.
I agree with you both actually. There are a lot of TOS fans out there, and it would be a bit of a disservice to them to not include TOS uniforms. Also, lets keep in mind that TOS uniforms are more readily available than uniforms from any other era of ST, so I would find it highly unlikely that they would leave them out. That being said, we had a member of the Cryptic team deride the TNG Romulan uniforms just recently, so I'm rather concerned that they have decided to ditch that classic look in favor of something more in line with nutrek than the TNG era- just look at how Romulan civilians are represented in the game at the mmoment compared to the romulan civilians from the 'Reunification' 2-parter. A bunch of bald miners. Now look at the new uniforms on the teaser page, jackets that look more than a little inspired by Nero's jacket from JJ trek. It is a distressing possibility, not unfounded, that the Cryptic devs prefer the look of nutrek romulans over the TNG-era inspired romulans that the Romulan military NPCs currently utilize, and will be basing the new faction off of the aesthetics of the former, rather than the latter.
I would say I am pleasantly surprised. I didn't actually expect a playable Romulan faction yet, and I honestly didn't expect Cryptic to take our concerns regarding UI and KDF levels seriously. For that, I am properly ecstatic. I'm still gonna wait until may to pass judgement on the content :P
Hell, depending on how the Romulan faction is done, I might even start a Romulan character to see how it is. . .and I'm a KDF enthusiast.
And for the folks talking about KDF 'whining', you can stuff it. The KDF has reasons to complain, unlike the Federation.
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I'll have to check that out, I'd like to see that. Thanks for the tip!
i love the TNG romulan uniforms. the shoulderpads are such a neat distinctive feature.
EDIT: don't you all forget zeroniusrex. she will make sure romulans WILL come with all the TOS art assets. some of them free, some in the c-store, some as rewards (e.g., the helmet, which would be too ugly/uncool to be sold in the store).
i m running around the house like this all day. I fi don;t start vacuuming soon or mention rommies one more time, i think my gf is going to kill me
Same here. I kept shouting "Romulanos" in Spanish which was driving my family crazy. I don't even want do my homework now as I'm way too excited to relax and focus. Blast you Rielfsu's!
YOUR opinion on the art styles of Romulan uniforms doesn't matter much. It's the players who are supposedly your customers, and thus your source of income. Refusing to add a uniform or ship (looking at Captain Geko) because you don't like the looks of it, does not get you any income at all.
It also doesn't cost them any money wasting their resources on things that wont sell enough to justify the artist's time and efforts. I doubt very many people are interested in wearing one of those rugs they call uniforms... they look like a something your granny would make you for the christmas pageant.
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I think some of the concepts could work well, with better fabric patterns and actual pants for the men instead of coolots and knee boots. It was supposed to have a "modern roman" feel afterall.
The TNG uniform tops are weirder in how awkward they look to wear, its like wearing a T shaped box that the arms hang out of below the elbow.
It also doesn't cost them any money wasting their resources on things that wont sell enough to justify the artist's time and efforts. I doubt very many people are interested in wearing one of those rugs they call uniforms... they look like a something your granny would make you for the christmas pageant.
I'm sure that was idiot-dev's logic; he thinks they look terrible, so everyone must think they look terrible.
They have to make some sort of uniforms for Romulans, so now we're getting idiot-dev's personal preference (ie it's definitively not-Trek).
The saddest part is that they're probably intentionally holding back on a TNG Romulan uniform so that they can sell it through the c-store or via lobi.
What's idiot-dev's name, btw, so I can add one more ******* to the list of individual developers I'm better off avoiding in the future.
The TNG uniform tops are weirder in how awkward they look to wear, its like wearing a T shaped box that the arms hang out of below the elbow.
The uniforms were part of the Romulan ambiance. Outside of D'Deridexes and the uniforms, there's little to distinguish a Romulan from a Vulcan. Generic space elf faction doesn't seem very promising, even if you designate them "Romulan."
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It also doesn't cost them any money wasting their resources on things that wont sell enough to justify the artist's time and efforts. I doubt very many people are interested in wearing one of those rugs they call uniforms... they look like a something your granny would make you for the christmas pageant.
Still not enough justification.
They already have the TOS Klingon uniforms, and the TOS Federation uniforms. Your reasoning for not including TOS Romulan uniforms, is... ???
EDIT: And for the record, your logic is precisely the reason for why the KDF have been in shambles these past 3 years. "Not enough people play KDF, so we have no need to justify spending resources on fixing them"
They already have the TOS Klingon uniforms, and the TOS Federation uniforms. Your reasoning for not including TOS Romulan uniforms, is... ???
EDIT: And for the record, your logic is precisely the reason for why the KDF have been in shambles these past 3 years. "Not enough people play KDF, so we have no need to justify spending resources on fixing them"
Agreed. And speak for yourself. There's many of us who actually want the TOS uniforms, helmets and all, and prefer them to the TNG ones. The trailer already shows the TOS BoP, so why not the uniforms? I wouldn't use the TNG uniforms, but I'm not about to call them garbage or ***** at people that do want them.
Just because you don't like something is not a valid enough argument. I can't understand why some players can't just be happy to get what they want... they have to TRIBBLE all over what everyone else might like. Bad form, sir.
You cant create an entire faction based on a single race
wait what? are you honestly that dumb?
you can actually and make sure they have unique things about them that make them different from the rest as well as adding new usable and passive items or content that would also improve that side of the faction.
sorry but that statement was otherwise very stupid, multiple GOOD games over the years have done what you said they cant do and have done it well, please dont say something like that without considering the correct possibilities it just makes you look stupid.
YOUR opinion on the art styles of Romulan uniforms doesn't matter much. It's the players who are supposedly your customers, and thus your source of income. Refusing to add a uniform or ship (looking at Captain Geko) because you don't like the looks of it, does not get you any income at all.
Stop trolling. He was clearly making a joke you knucklehead.
I quit this game for what I firmly believed was the last time right before the duty officer patch and now I find myself almost speechless that after so many years the only faction I ever wanted to play in any Star Trek game will be finally available in May. I am beyond happy with this decision.
well. They got 5 different ships in game at least.
D'Deridex, D'Deridex Defender, Bird of Prey (old and new), Mogai,Scimitar. whos to say they are unable to make their own ships? they did with the D'Deridex Defender.
if we use all those skins. we got like 11 ships (10 without Valdore), which isnt too shabby for a "canon" selection of ships to start.
You're right. The Valdore Warbird is also official cannon and not soft or speculative. It was to be an upgraded Warbird class to replace the aging D'Deridex class Warbird.
As far as ships go....who cares on how many they have? I only fly 1 at end game now anyway. As long as it is Romulan (Reman variant even). I do not care. I played what I didn't want for 3 years. Now finally I get something I want to actually be playing.
This is great news. The only negatives are going to be everyday MMO shiznit. Bugs, more grind, and whiners. That is the same in all MMO games.
But this is a glorious day for us Romulan Star Empire fans.:D
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Cannot use them, they even have the Starfleet uniforms of that comic in the files but they have a big "DO NOT USE" on then and are disabled.
Of course I *do* enjoy the fact STO have to keep the JJ'ness out of it.
Ummm... no.
If you actually read the "Countdown" comics (prequels to the 2009 movie), they never had the JJ-verse uniforms in them. The first Countdown series took place entirely in the Prime Universe.
They did, however, have the uniforms we're currently using in STO (the Sierra 1 Uniforms to be precise)
Also someimages of the 2387 Enterprise-E crew from the art appendix of the comic.
(unfortunately I can't find an image on the internet of the uniforms of the Romulan High Command personnel shown in the Countdown comics that were in the Vault, where Nero had his mining ship augmented with Romulan-Borg hybrid technology, and I don't have a scanner here to make a copy of mine either)
Y'know, I was one of those people who used to pay to play (so I've been here for at least a decent amount of time) and I always wanted to see a Romulan faction... but I dont see it working out, it's going to be even worse than when the Klingon faction was introduced.
The screenshots and preview show that the Romulan faction will probably only have one race (romulans), though it's possible remans will be available as well. You cant create an entire faction based on a single race.
Where are the Hirogen? We know they're allied with the romulans. Where are the other races? Surely you could add in Lyrans or Mirak or some other romulan-centric species to fill out the ranks. People want OPTIONS, and I'm not seeing them here.
Beyond that, I cant see an entire shipline being available for the Romulan faction. The preview says we'll get "warbirds", and so far as we know the entire romulan empire only has two classes of military ship - birds of prey and warbirds. That might equal out to escort/battlecruiser or something similar, but where's the science ships? What kind of unique ships will the Romulans have to seperate them from the other factions? Likely nothing.
So far, in-game, there are only two romulan bird of prey ship models - the old style and new style - then we have the mo'gai escort and the d'deridex warbird. It's possible you could throw the scimitar in there, but I highly doubt it will be available considering its rarity. Still, that only leaves you with five ship models at the most - are the devs really prepared to come up with an entire shipline beyond that?
A full shipline, at minimum, consists of 16 vessels: 5 ranks for each of the basic ship types (escort, cruiser, and science) and one starter ship. That's the bare minimum. Right now we've barely got enough ships in-game for a third of that.
Sorry to be skeptical, but unless the cryptic devs can pull a miracle out of their collective backsides this is just going to be another KDF for the first year or two, and worse than the KDF when first released.
You think they would make all of these teasers just to spill all of the beans on the first day? Of course not! They still have two months and people are having all of these gripes on day one, give them some time to release some more information before complaining.
They already seemed to have a new ship model in that little teaser video, just give them some time instead of complaining on day one.
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That's not justification enough, not to include them. The Federation TOS unfiroms look like pajamas, yet they exist in STO.
I agree with you both actually. There are a lot of TOS fans out there, and it would be a bit of a disservice to them to not include TOS uniforms. Also, lets keep in mind that TOS uniforms are more readily available than uniforms from any other era of ST, so I would find it highly unlikely that they would leave them out. That being said, we had a member of the Cryptic team deride the TNG Romulan uniforms just recently, so I'm rather concerned that they have decided to ditch that classic look in favor of something more in line with nutrek than the TNG era- just look at how Romulan civilians are represented in the game at the mmoment compared to the romulan civilians from the 'Reunification' 2-parter. A bunch of bald miners. Now look at the new uniforms on the teaser page, jackets that look more than a little inspired by Nero's jacket from JJ trek. It is a distressing possibility, not unfounded, that the Cryptic devs prefer the look of nutrek romulans over the TNG-era inspired romulans that the Romulan military NPCs currently utilize, and will be basing the new faction off of the aesthetics of the former, rather than the latter.
Hell, depending on how the Romulan faction is done, I might even start a Romulan character to see how it is. . .and I'm a KDF enthusiast.
And for the folks talking about KDF 'whining', you can stuff it. The KDF has reasons to complain, unlike the Federation.
ps yes I am also doing my happy dance!
pps great job making my day devs!
i love the TNG romulan uniforms. the shoulderpads are such a neat distinctive feature.
EDIT: don't you all forget zeroniusrex. she will make sure romulans WILL come with all the TOS art assets. some of them free, some in the c-store, some as rewards (e.g., the helmet, which would be too ugly/uncool to be sold in the store).
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this^^^^^ 100% agree
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At this rate, we'll get a generic Romulan Warbird in place of a D'Deridex.
Oh well, just means I'm less inclined to buy zen.
I agree... those were the most terrible uniforms ever... it will see enough to even bother making that garbage.
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Same here. I kept shouting "Romulanos" in Spanish which was driving my family crazy. I don't even want do my homework now as I'm way too excited to relax and focus. Blast you Rielfsu's!
It also doesn't cost them any money wasting their resources on things that wont sell enough to justify the artist's time and efforts. I doubt very many people are interested in wearing one of those rugs they call uniforms... they look like a something your granny would make you for the christmas pageant.
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They weren't bad, considering it was the 60's.
I think some of the concepts could work well, with better fabric patterns and actual pants for the men instead of coolots and knee boots. It was supposed to have a "modern roman" feel afterall.
The TNG uniform tops are weirder in how awkward they look to wear, its like wearing a T shaped box that the arms hang out of below the elbow.
They have to make some sort of uniforms for Romulans, so now we're getting idiot-dev's personal preference (ie it's definitively not-Trek).
The saddest part is that they're probably intentionally holding back on a TNG Romulan uniform so that they can sell it through the c-store or via lobi.
What's idiot-dev's name, btw, so I can add one more ******* to the list of individual developers I'm better off avoiding in the future.
The uniforms were part of the Romulan ambiance. Outside of D'Deridexes and the uniforms, there's little to distinguish a Romulan from a Vulcan. Generic space elf faction doesn't seem very promising, even if you designate them "Romulan."
Still not enough justification.
They already have the TOS Klingon uniforms, and the TOS Federation uniforms. Your reasoning for not including TOS Romulan uniforms, is... ???
EDIT: And for the record, your logic is precisely the reason for why the KDF have been in shambles these past 3 years. "Not enough people play KDF, so we have no need to justify spending resources on fixing them"
Agreed. And speak for yourself. There's many of us who actually want the TOS uniforms, helmets and all, and prefer them to the TNG ones. The trailer already shows the TOS BoP, so why not the uniforms? I wouldn't use the TNG uniforms, but I'm not about to call them garbage or ***** at people that do want them.
Just because you don't like something is not a valid enough argument. I can't understand why some players can't just be happy to get what they want... they have to TRIBBLE all over what everyone else might like. Bad form, sir.
wait what? are you honestly that dumb?
you can actually and make sure they have unique things about them that make them different from the rest as well as adding new usable and passive items or content that would also improve that side of the faction.
sorry but that statement was otherwise very stupid, multiple GOOD games over the years have done what you said they cant do and have done it well, please dont say something like that without considering the correct possibilities it just makes you look stupid.
rant over.
Well, at least I will have a reason to come back to the game and join a guild now.
Noob mistake. :P
You may want to consider how your post reflects upon yourself before you go flinging insults at people.
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Woo Hoo Romulans!
But he is right. The Romulan TOS uniforms were all sorts of sexy. The TOS ones were 80's Dynasty power shoulders awful..
Stop trolling. He was clearly making a joke you knucklehead.
No, we are forum trolls, we are never happy.
You're right. The Valdore Warbird is also official cannon and not soft or speculative. It was to be an upgraded Warbird class to replace the aging D'Deridex class Warbird.
This is great news. The only negatives are going to be everyday MMO shiznit. Bugs, more grind, and whiners. That is the same in all MMO games.
But this is a glorious day for us Romulan Star Empire fans.:D
Help rebuild the Romulan Star Empire to glory. Click the banner to join today.
Ummm... no.
If you actually read the "Countdown" comics (prequels to the 2009 movie), they never had the JJ-verse uniforms in them. The first Countdown series took place entirely in the Prime Universe.
They did, however, have the uniforms we're currently using in STO (the Sierra 1 Uniforms to be precise)
Here are some pics of Captain Data wearing STO's Sierra 1 uniform
Also some images of the 2387 Enterprise-E crew from the art appendix of the comic.
(unfortunately I can't find an image on the internet of the uniforms of the Romulan High Command personnel shown in the Countdown comics that were in the Vault, where Nero had his mining ship augmented with Romulan-Borg hybrid technology, and I don't have a scanner here to make a copy of mine either)
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in the TOS pack, there should also be a face option included - without the ridges.
i also hope for an off-duty costumes, where i would love to see this one:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/9/98/Romulan_casual_attire.jpg
plus - the hair, we need that hair! and more .D
You think they would make all of these teasers just to spill all of the beans on the first day? Of course not! They still have two months and people are having all of these gripes on day one, give them some time to release some more information before complaining.
They already seemed to have a new ship model in that little teaser video, just give them some time instead of complaining on day one.
Does look nice, I'm hoping we will have access to TNG Romulan uniforms as well!