The reason Romulans will be profitable would be because they are new and another faction to play, we've been stuck with KDF and Starfleet for how many years now? People will jump on that like white on rice. KDF are just not profitable enough , they've lost money on the KDF with the C-store ships.
When the new shiny wears off, if the faction doesn't have enough meat and potatoes to sustain it, then it'll be another 12% of the playerbase not showing enough metrics to rationalize giving development resources to.
In other words, Cryptic's failure with the KDF is just a preview of how they can, or rather can not, handle multiple factions.
When people start telling Romulan complainers that:
1- The Shows were Fed centric not Romulan Centric
2- Not enough people play the Romulan faction
3- You can do FEs and STFs so shut up and be happy
4- You already have all the Romulan ships shown on shows, why do you need more?
You'll start to understand how poorly implemented factions don't help anyone. Not the federation players. Not the Klingon players. And eventually not the Romulan players.
Would folks be interested in bringing Romulans and maybe Cardassians into an alliance with the KDF. Before you blow your collective tops just hear me out. Storywise it could work. Both the Romulans and Cardassians have been weakened and there are elements looking to be legitimate and respected powers again. Both are warrior races and might consider an alliance with the KDF. Adding Romulan, Reman, and Cardassians to the KDF/Alliance along with tech and ships might bring a boost to the KDF in terms of player numbers. Exsisting Fed episodes could be retconned to give content to a content starved faction as well as incentive to complete it. Think of it as an opposing faction alliance. I'm not sure how the game mechanics work, but maybe offer players Romulan and Cardassian flavored fleet bases for folks who RP. You can have an all Romulan fleet with matching base to give that singular faction feel. I know this won't please everyone, but i see it as a compromise to some of the existing issues that players have. Any thoughts?
When the new shiny wears off, if the faction doesn't have enough meat and potatoes to sustain it, then it'll be another 12% of the playerbase not showing enough metrics to rationalize giving development resources to.
In other words, Cryptic's failure with the KDF is just a preview of how they can, or rather can not, handle multiple factions.
When people start telling Romulan complainers that:
1- The Shows were Fed centric not Romulan Centric
2- Not enough people play the Romulan faction
3- You can do FEs and STFs so shut up and be happy
4- You already have all the Romulan ships shown on shows, why do you need more?
You'll start to understand how poorly implemented factions don't help anyone. Not the federation players. Not the Klingon players. And eventually not the Romulan players.
I get what you're getting at. But I still don't understand the amount of hype thats going into this next big patch. When have they EVER put a countdown on new episodes? When? I've had this account ever since the 1st week of launch and I've never seen this amount of hype. With that countdown they are just going to end up disapointing a vast majority of the population if it isn't a Romulan faction or anything exciting.
When the new shiny wears off, if the faction doesn't have enough meat and potatoes to sustain it, then it'll be another 12% of the playerbase not showing enough metrics to rationalize giving development resources to.
In other words, Cryptic's failure with the KDF is just a preview of how they can, or rather can not, handle multiple factions.
When people start telling Romulan complainers that:
1- The Shows were Fed centric not Romulan Centric
2- Not enough people play the Romulan faction
3- You can do FEs and STFs so shut up and be happy
4- You already have all the Romulan ships shown on shows, why do you need more?
You'll start to understand how poorly implemented factions don't help anyone. Not the federation players. Not the Klingon players. And eventually not the Romulan players.
Sadly, it doesn't really matter. Even if it's a brief boost in money that's all that really matters to PWE. Especially when this is an excuse to throw more lockboxes into the game. I mean, if you think about it this means that we could have triple reward lockboxes and people will have to shell out even MORE money if they want things for their Feddies, Klinks AND Rommies. Even if it's just a 10% increase it's enough for them.
Except for that whole Romulan_Playable race and icons thing that was recently discovered. If there weren't going to be playable Romulans in some way I doubt that would be there. Since, if it was really a year or more off I doubt they'd put it in the files this early.
Apparently, it's somewhere back in this thread, I believe.
Here's a handy dandy link to the post in question. I'm honestly somewhat surprised that this finding hasn't gotten a bit more attention, both in this thread and on the forums as a whole.
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Since no one has mentioned it, a certain Youtuber found the Sela voice work in the STO code. I don't remember the details but they seemed like they could be aimed at an underling. The video was taken down a day after it was put up.
Bridge officers only. Already in game, available from your Embassy.
I bet on no playable faction. Maybe playable characters. More likely something like the Bajor content.
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It's another thing that points to the playable faction hypothesis - Romulans would need their own versions of the holographic BOffs, since KDF and Fed have unique versions of at least the Photonic Science Officer.
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The icons would still be consistent with Romulans as playable characters, but in the two existing factions.
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The icons would still be consistent with Romulans as playable characters, but in the two existing factions.
Romulan versions of the Holographic BOffs would, however, not necessarily be consistent with Romulans as playable in the existing factions (unless they're adding more new Romulan BOffs without adding a faction, that is).
Also, do playable Fed Klingons still retain the KDF class symbols? I didn't think that they did, but it's been a while since I checked...
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Here's a handy dandy link to the post in question. I'm honestly somewhat surprised that this finding hasn't gotten a bit more attention, both in this thread and on the forums as a whole.
After listening to Klingon fans for the last three years )(*&$)(*^*)&^%#@)*&^#)(*# and complain while they actually have a playable faction with which to enjoy, I'll take what ever sort of independent playable Romulan faction that I can get. I don't expect equal content or even on par with Federation content, but I am ready to enjoy playing the green team and toss some more support Cryptic's way to help bring in the next faction after it.
I will continue to positively support Cryptic and STO as I have since closed beta and on into the foreseeable future because that is THE ONLY path to getting what I would like to out of the game.
Then maybe when you come back in three years and see how many other factions have been added and how those fans have exercised the option to enjoy their playable faction, you'll see how much it has helped the game.
Would folks be interested in bringing Romulans and maybe Cardassians into an alliance with the KDF. Before you blow your collective tops just hear me out. Storywise it could work. Both the Romulans and Cardassians have been weakened and there are elements looking to be legitimate and respected powers again. Both are warrior races and might consider an alliance with the KDF. Adding Romulan, Reman, and Cardassians to the KDF/Alliance along with tech and ships might bring a boost to the KDF in terms of player numbers. Exsisting Fed episodes could be retconned to give content to a content starved faction as well as incentive to complete it. Think of it as an opposing faction alliance. I'm not sure how the game mechanics work, but maybe offer players Romulan and Cardassian flavored fleet bases for folks who RP. You can have an all Romulan fleet with matching base to give that singular faction feel. I know this won't please everyone, but i see it as a compromise to some of the existing issues that players have. Any thoughts?
Just "no".
Truthfully, I would rather delete all 15 of my characters, my Fed fleet, all of my multiple Lobi store and lockbox ships, and quit STO entirely rather than have Romulans or any other faction be added under the umbrella of the KDF. It's not that I detest the KDF faction in game (I do have 3xLGs) as much as my patience has been overly taxed by Klingon fans on these forums who are not grateful for they have had and continue to have available to them while every other ST IP faction fan sits on their hands waiting for "someday" to get here. :mad:
I will continue to positively support Cryptic and STO as I have since closed beta and on into the foreseeable future because that is THE ONLY path to getting what I would like to out of the game.
You've complained in the past. You'll complain in the future.
Then maybe when you come back in three years and see how many other factions have been added and how those fans have exercised the option to enjoy their playable faction, you'll see how much it has helped the game.
Hah. Right. Cryptic hasn't ever created a viable multi faction game in their company's history.
Truthfully, I would rather delete all 15 of my characters, my Fed fleet, all of my multiple Lobi store and lockbox ships, and quit STO entirely rather than have Romulans or any other faction be added under the umbrella of the KDF. It's not that I detest the KDF faction in game (I do have 3xLGs) as much as my patience has been overly taxed by Klingon fans on these forums who are not grateful for they have had and continue to have available to them while every other ST IP faction fan sits on their hands waiting for "someday" to get here. :mad:
Well that was quick. What happened to:
"I will continue to positively support Cryptic and STO as I have since closed beta and on into the foreseeable future because that is THE ONLY path to getting what I would like to out of the game."
?
If they implement Romulans in a way you don't agree with, you'll delate everything and leave the game, er, I mean, continue to positively support Cryptic!
I have 2 LG's and I still think the KDF has been shafted. I consider a faction "full" if you can choose it with out going through other methods to get to it like playing half the game first. Do I want a Romulan faction, yes. Am I expecting one, no. IMO the announcement is about a FE series involving the Iconians and Sela and (hopefuly) KDF from start not a playable Romulan faction.
"I will continue to positively support Cryptic and STO as I have since closed beta and on into the foreseeable future because that is THE ONLY path to getting what I would like to out of the game."
?
If they implement Romulans in a way you don't agree with, you'll delate everything and leave the game, er, I mean, continue to positively support Cryptic!
I clearly stated "an independently playable Romulan faction". That is what I continue to support Cryptic and STO for. The very same thing that Klingon fans have had for 3 years now.
The next posting was in reply to having every other playable faction being included under the KDF umbrella which to me personally would clearly not be what I want to get out of the game and would make what I want unattainable. Since I then could not obtain what I want, my support, and presence, would be done and over with.
In other words, if I don't like what I'm seeing in this game and know for sure that I can not get what I want out of this game, I will leave it completely and never look back.
And no, I won't be posting any sort of goodbyes on the forums and there won't be anything leftover to give away. :P
Here is more evidence that Iconians are on the way. It's not clearly stated but he almost told they would be here in may. We're getting closer to a new featured episode, with possibly Iconian STFs (that's their very purpose, since they are the ultimate enemy). Which means even less time to work on a faction.
Here is more evidence that Iconians are on the way. It's not clearly stated but he almost told they would be here in may. We're getting closer to a new featured episode, with possibly Iconian STFs (that's their very purpose, since they are the ultimate enemy). Which means even less time to work on a faction.
The Iconians have been 'on the way' since the game started. So, there's a good chance we'll get some Iconian STFs, FEs, whatever in this Not!Season 8 along with a barebones Romulan...something...since the Iconians and Sela are working together. A full faction? Almost certainly not, but more than likely playable Romulans in some fashion going by the evidence.
Here's a handy dandy link to the post in question. I'm honestly somewhat surprised that this finding hasn't gotten a bit more attention, both in this thread and on the forums as a whole.
Found some folders - Species_Icons_Player_Romulan
Only 2 player races listed, Romulans and Remans.
No additional Faction UI styles found, number of art stubs for other UI parts.
Romulan Class Icons
:cool:
Romulan BOffs from the Embassy do not use the Romulan class icons that are linked to above, nor is it likely that they would use icons titled "Species_Icons_Player_Romulan"... note the Player Romulan in that file path.
Also, the Embassy BOffs don't explain the Romulan_X_Holo BOffs in that list.
Honestly, you would think that people would at least read the last few pages of a thread before posting.
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Romulan BOffs from the Embassy do not use the Romulan class icons that are linked to above, nor is it likely that they would use icons titled "Species_Icons_Player_Romulan"... note the Player Romulan in that file path.
Also, the Embassy BOffs don't explain the Romulan_X_Holo BOffs in that list.
Honestly, you would think that people would at least read the last few pages of a thread before posting.
But if that happened, we would have complete mutual understanding! :eek:
The Believers just don't want to hear doubts... but I still bet no new faction. FvR and KvR added to PvP? No bloody way.
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The Believers just don't want to hear doubts... but I still bet no new faction. FvR and KvR added to PvP? No bloody way.
Honestly, I'm reserving judgment in regard to the May update bringing a Romulan faction; it has no real bearing on me either way, since I've never had much interest in the Romulan Empire as a whole, and would probably only create one character in the faction as a lark/to see what it's like.
However, the available evidence from the game files, as presented above, along with extensive effort that Cryptic is going to to hide/hype information about this release, seems to point to playable Romulans of some sort, whether as a faction or as members of the current factions.
Also... who's to say that they're not working on a revamp of the PvP system? Something to make a generic Faction v. Faction queue, where there are no specifics on either side and it's filled by whichever factions reach the correct number of players first? Or perhaps 3-way factional PvP? We just don't know enough to draw any firm conclusions at this point, but the available evidence seems to point to playable Romulans.
Edit: Also, saying "But the game files are just for BOffs on New Romulus!" is pretty clearly wrong at this point, considering the player class icons and the presence of holographic BOff options just like the other two playable factions have. That's really what I'm railing against, here - people who are either being willfully dismissive of the available evidence, or people who are being too lazy to read the available evidence even when it's presented in an easy to access format.
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When the new shiny wears off, if the faction doesn't have enough meat and potatoes to sustain it, then it'll be another 12% of the playerbase not showing enough metrics to rationalize giving development resources to.
In other words, Cryptic's failure with the KDF is just a preview of how they can, or rather can not, handle multiple factions.
When people start telling Romulan complainers that:
1- The Shows were Fed centric not Romulan Centric
2- Not enough people play the Romulan faction
3- You can do FEs and STFs so shut up and be happy
4- You already have all the Romulan ships shown on shows, why do you need more?
You'll start to understand how poorly implemented factions don't help anyone. Not the federation players. Not the Klingon players. And eventually not the Romulan players.
I get what you're getting at. But I still don't understand the amount of hype thats going into this next big patch. When have they EVER put a countdown on new episodes? When? I've had this account ever since the 1st week of launch and I've never seen this amount of hype. With that countdown they are just going to end up disapointing a vast majority of the population if it isn't a Romulan faction or anything exciting.
Sadly, it doesn't really matter. Even if it's a brief boost in money that's all that really matters to PWE. Especially when this is an excuse to throw more lockboxes into the game. I mean, if you think about it this means that we could have triple reward lockboxes and people will have to shell out even MORE money if they want things for their Feddies, Klinks AND Rommies. Even if it's just a 10% increase it's enough for them.
huh? seriously?
Apparently, it's somewhere back in this thread, I believe.
Here's a handy dandy link to the post in question. I'm honestly somewhat surprised that this finding hasn't gotten a bit more attention, both in this thread and on the forums as a whole.
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Bridge officers only. Already in game, available from your Embassy.
I bet on no playable faction. Maybe playable characters. More likely something like the Bajor content.
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You would do well to read the ENTIRE post that I linked.
That poster also found the icons for player Romulan classes and linked to images of them...
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It's another thing that points to the playable faction hypothesis - Romulans would need their own versions of the holographic BOffs, since KDF and Fed have unique versions of at least the Photonic Science Officer.
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Romulan versions of the Holographic BOffs would, however, not necessarily be consistent with Romulans as playable in the existing factions (unless they're adding more new Romulan BOffs without adding a faction, that is).
Also, do playable Fed Klingons still retain the KDF class symbols? I didn't think that they did, but it's been a while since I checked...
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I knew it was somewhere, thanks for the link!
After listening to Klingon fans for the last three years )(*&$)(*^*)&^%#@)*&^#)(*# and complain while they actually have a playable faction with which to enjoy, I'll take what ever sort of independent playable Romulan faction that I can get. I don't expect equal content or even on par with Federation content, but I am ready to enjoy playing the green team and toss some more support Cryptic's way to help bring in the next faction after it.
I will continue to positively support Cryptic and STO as I have since closed beta and on into the foreseeable future because that is THE ONLY path to getting what I would like to out of the game.
Then maybe when you come back in three years and see how many other factions have been added and how those fans have exercised the option to enjoy their playable faction, you'll see how much it has helped the game.
Just "no".
Truthfully, I would rather delete all 15 of my characters, my Fed fleet, all of my multiple Lobi store and lockbox ships, and quit STO entirely rather than have Romulans or any other faction be added under the umbrella of the KDF. It's not that I detest the KDF faction in game (I do have 3xLGs) as much as my patience has been overly taxed by Klingon fans on these forums who are not grateful for they have had and continue to have available to them while every other ST IP faction fan sits on their hands waiting for "someday" to get here. :mad:
You've complained in the past. You'll complain in the future.
Hah. Right. Cryptic hasn't ever created a viable multi faction game in their company's history.
Well that was quick. What happened to:
"I will continue to positively support Cryptic and STO as I have since closed beta and on into the foreseeable future because that is THE ONLY path to getting what I would like to out of the game."
?
If they implement Romulans in a way you don't agree with, you'll delate everything and leave the game, er, I mean, continue to positively support Cryptic!
I clearly stated "an independently playable Romulan faction". That is what I continue to support Cryptic and STO for. The very same thing that Klingon fans have had for 3 years now.
The next posting was in reply to having every other playable faction being included under the KDF umbrella which to me personally would clearly not be what I want to get out of the game and would make what I want unattainable. Since I then could not obtain what I want, my support, and presence, would be done and over with.
In other words, if I don't like what I'm seeing in this game and know for sure that I can not get what I want out of this game, I will leave it completely and never look back.
And no, I won't be posting any sort of goodbyes on the forums and there won't be anything leftover to give away. :P
Here is more evidence that Iconians are on the way. It's not clearly stated but he almost told they would be here in may. We're getting closer to a new featured episode, with possibly Iconian STFs (that's their very purpose, since they are the ultimate enemy). Which means even less time to work on a faction.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
The Iconians have been 'on the way' since the game started. So, there's a good chance we'll get some Iconian STFs, FEs, whatever in this Not!Season 8 along with a barebones Romulan...something...since the Iconians and Sela are working together. A full faction? Almost certainly not, but more than likely playable Romulans in some fashion going by the evidence.
Very interesting
As has been mentioned, these are only for Romulan Boffs, which are already available from the Embassy.
And again, for the second time in three pages, the following is the most relevant part of the post that I linked to earlier:
Romulan BOffs from the Embassy do not use the Romulan class icons that are linked to above, nor is it likely that they would use icons titled "Species_Icons_Player_Romulan"... note the Player Romulan in that file path.
Also, the Embassy BOffs don't explain the Romulan_X_Holo BOffs in that list.
Honestly, you would think that people would at least read the last few pages of a thread before posting.
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But if that happened, we would have complete mutual understanding! :eek:
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Honestly, I'm reserving judgment in regard to the May update bringing a Romulan faction; it has no real bearing on me either way, since I've never had much interest in the Romulan Empire as a whole, and would probably only create one character in the faction as a lark/to see what it's like.
However, the available evidence from the game files, as presented above, along with extensive effort that Cryptic is going to to hide/hype information about this release, seems to point to playable Romulans of some sort, whether as a faction or as members of the current factions.
Also... who's to say that they're not working on a revamp of the PvP system? Something to make a generic Faction v. Faction queue, where there are no specifics on either side and it's filled by whichever factions reach the correct number of players first? Or perhaps 3-way factional PvP? We just don't know enough to draw any firm conclusions at this point, but the available evidence seems to point to playable Romulans.
Edit: Also, saying "But the game files are just for BOffs on New Romulus!" is pretty clearly wrong at this point, considering the player class icons and the presence of holographic BOff options just like the other two playable factions have. That's really what I'm railing against, here - people who are either being willfully dismissive of the available evidence, or people who are being too lazy to read the available evidence even when it's presented in an easy to access format.
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