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  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What I am confused about is -


    1. We were told that only a small percent play Klingons.
    2. Fed only fans have always stated "Star Trek was always about the Feds" hence why Klingons are not fleshed out.
    3. Getting a full Klingon faction isn't cost effected.

    Why then make a Rom Faction? Has Dan got "metrics" show that a Rom faction would bring in the bucks? If so, where from? Are there more Rom Fans then Klingons?

    Finally, lets say their is a Rom Faction coming, how does Cryptic make money from this besides Lock boxes, when they state they won't charge for "expansions" or "content".

    :confused:
    Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    solomace wrote: »
    1. We were told that only a small percent play Klingons.
    2. Fed only fans have always stated "Star Trek was always about the Feds" hence why Klingons are not fleshed out.
    3. Getting a full Klingon faction isn't cost effected.
    The problem is, a lot of players don't play as Klingon for a number of reasons.
    * Their faction isn't unlocked until you're at level 20-something with a Federation character (people who might only have a few hours of play per game aren't going to level up a KDF character when they've already got a FED character in the works.
    * Why would half the players in this game choose to play an incomplete, unfinished, half cut faction when they've got a near-complete, practically finished, fully-functional faction to play with instead?

    Cryptic (and people) claim that people don't use or play as KDF, thus there isn't enough warrant to update it. The reason a lot of people probably don't play KDF is because it isn't updated. If the dev team treated the KDF faction as they do FED, they'd likely find a bigger playerbase.
    solomace wrote: »
    Why then make a Rom Faction? Has Dan got "metrics" show that a Rom faction would bring in the bucks? If so, where from? Are there more Rom Fans then Klingons?
    More people will play as a Romulan than they will as a Klingon.
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  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    More people will play as a Romulan than they will as a Klingon.

    *Cough* I want it on record that I didn't say this.;)

    Now it's time for the popcorn and fireworks me thinks...

    Oh m8, why did you go there:rolleyes:
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    solomace wrote: »
    Oh m8, why did you go there
    Because it's true? :P

    If a Romulan Faction is released in May (unlikely, but lets say it is) and they complete the Klingon Faction at the same time, players (who haven't yet got a 2nd character) will be given the chance of a Klingon and Romulan toon (free Character Slot each).

    Who do you realistically think those players are going to choose to play as? A Klingon, or a Romulan?
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gaalom wrote: »
    I really hope they give JJ Abrams the middle finger here, and restore the Romulan star empire.

    To paraphrase Captain Pike from Star Trek, Romulus is right where they left it and the RSE is intact. Abrams didn't destroy the RSE.

    Heck, Cryptic fractured the empire. There's nothing in Star Trek to indicate the RSE was destroyed in either timeline.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Heck, Cryptic fractured the empire. There's nothing in Star Trek to indicate the RSE was destroyed in either timeline.
    It wasn't Cryptic that destroyed the Romulan System.
    Wasn't it actually the Tal Shiar?
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  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Because it's true? :P

    If a Romulan Faction is released in May (unlikely, but lets say it is) and they complete the Klingon Faction at the same time, players (who haven't yet got a 2nd character) will be given the chance of a Klingon and Romulan toon (free Character Slot each).

    Who do you realistically think those players are going to choose to play as? A Klingon, or a Romulan?

    Not touching that with a 10 foot pole m8.:)

    I get myself into enough trouble on here and answering this will...

    I am tempted to answer you, but I have promised myself not to "rise to the bait"... For the moment.;)

    Edit - I would say though, how many games have we had that were based solely on Romulans? :)
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    solomace wrote: »
    I am tempted to answer you, but I have promised myself not to "rise to the bait"... For the moment.
    I challenge you. ;)
    solomace wrote: »
    Edit - I would say though, how many games have we had that were based solely on Romulans?
    None, but then we've only had one game (at least, one that I am aware of) that we've been able to play as Klingons.

    The fact of the matter is, if my above scenario were to be true, all the old players would look at it a very simple way; the Klingons (however updated their faction may be) are old news. The Romulans would be that breath of fresh air, thus they'd get all the attention. I know people who are playing as FED who are quite happily going to ditch their FED characters for a Romulan one as soon as they're released. If FED players are willing to do that, I bet there are a fair number of KDF players willing to do the same.

    Trust me when I say it'll be FED > RSE > KDF.
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  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i think there is still a chance for the faction.. the timing is good, and with all the excitement by the community about it, it would be devastating to the game to not release it. Even if they were not intending to, they made their own bed.. when you come out and make a big advertisement compaign like they did, and put it behind a curtain, and make it all secrative, and allude to the possibility, you create expectation..

    and since they have not come out and flat out said there is no faction coming (even though more than 3/4's of the player base believes, or believed that there is a new faction coming). this has only made people believe in it more..

    im partial to a new faction. but i can see the writing on the wall. "if" cryptic does not indeed deliver a ramulan faction, i believe the game will lose alot of players, it will take a hard hit it may have trouble, or not be able to recover from.. again, this is cryptics own doing.. if indeed they had no intention of a faction, they should have clearly and concisely stated that, given the level of excitement and talk about it.. (its really the first time ive seen ingame chatter and the forums all abuzz about the same thing..)

    so with what i just stated, i still think the faction is on.. my reasons..

    d stahl boasted about his team getting nearly doubled in size, however, the last few content releases have been lackluster.. basically the same old content, different circumstances. ie, we get the doff system, then we get a slightly juiced up doff system, but they call it a fleet advancement system. then they give us the same content, but they tweak it slightly and call it reputation.. all of the fleet mark events are easily made in five minutes on the foundry. and nothing besides new romulas has taken any more thought than figuring out what your gonna wear when you wake up..

    so i think he has had the new peeps working on a new faction since november or so.. because the content we are getting, (the quality, quantity, and complexity) is on par with every other release b4 them.. it does not show that a larger crew has been working on them...

    that being said, well see what happens.. stahl has his poker face on, and no one can read it.. well see if he makes perhaps the biggest mistake made in the game to date, or comes through with one of the greatest updates this game has seen.. heaven knows this game needs a big kick in the pants..
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Agreed - we're not going to find out anything before the clock reaches zero.

    Doubt it'll stop some people from asking though. ;)

    lol if cryptic lives up to expectation, that clock will be in the negatives before they actually say anything.. they have never been on time with anything, ever lol... its like that family member who is late for every family function hahaahaha..
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    I challenge you. ;)

    None, but then we've only had one game (at least, one that I am aware of) that we've been able to play as Klingons.

    The fact of the matter is, if my above scenario were to be true, all the old players would look at it a very simple way; the Klingons (however updated their faction may be) are old news. The Romulans would be that breath of fresh air, thus they'd get all the attention. I know people who are playing as FED who are quite happily going to ditch their FED characters for a Romulan one as soon as they're released. If FED players are willing to do that, I bet there are a fair number of KDF players willing to do the same.

    Trust me when I say it'll be FED > RSE > KDF.

    Challenge...Not excepted:)

    However, you do make a good case sir.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    puttenham wrote: »
    i think there is still a chance for the faction.. the timing is good, and with all the excitement by the community about it, it would be devastating to the game to not release it. Even if they were not intending to, they made their own bed.. when you come out and make a big advertisement compaign like they did, and put it behind a curtain, and make it all secrative, and allude to the possibility, you create expectation..
    Sure they've created expectations, it doesn't mean they have to live up to them though. They've got into a habit of letting the community down (see KDF). There is a list somewhere (I forget where not) of all the things they've said they were going to do but haven't.

    Besides, all the secret stuff is open to interpretation. If they don't deliver on the faction, they can always come back and say it was just a matter of people reading into it wrong, which, as annoying as it'll be, will be the truth.
    puttenham wrote: »
    im partial to a new faction. but i can see the writing on the wall. "if" cryptic does not indeed deliver a ramulan faction, i believe the game will lose alot of players, it will take a hard hit it may have trouble, or not be able to recover from.. again, this is cryptics own doing.. if indeed they had no intention of a faction, they should have clearly and concisely stated that, given the level of excitement and talk about it.. (its really the first time ive seen ingame chatter and the forums all abuzz about the same thing..)
    Not true. People always say that they'll quit the game if X, Y or Z is not done. X, Y and Z is not done, and most of those people remain with the game. For all it's faults (and there are many) this is still a good game. Most people aren't going to quit on it just because they've not got what they wanted.
    solomace wrote: »
    However, you do make a good case sir.
    :)
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Not true. People always say that they'll quit the game if X, Y or Z is not done. X, Y and Z is not done, and most of those people remain with the game. For all it's faults (and there are many) this is still a good game. Most people aren't going to quit on it just because they've not got what they wanted.

    :)

    Keep in mind, the game is free now. So quitting is rather pointless. Most people these days instead of quitting, just stop "buying" things.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Keep in mind, the game is free now. So quitting is rather pointless. Most people these days instead of quitting, just stop "buying" things.
    People stop buying things until the next lock box is release and Cryptic put on a Sale. Then most people go mad. That's practically a guarantee, no-matter how much some people may feel let down.
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  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Not true. People always say that they'll quit the game if X, Y or Z is not done. X, Y and Z is not done, and most of those people remain with the game. For all it's faults (and there are many) this is still a good game. Most people aren't going to quit on it just because they've not got what they wanted.

    :)

    True, however there has been a difference in atmosphere not just on these forums, but others (and in game I'm told)since season 7 went live and the direction Cryptic is going is making even their hardened fans start to take um-bridge.

    If the update/content/faction/non faction in May turns out to be just another "interiors", then you might find more and more people either leave, or as mentioned, people won't "spend".
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  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Keep in mind, the game is free now. So quitting is rather pointless. Most people these days instead of quitting, just stop "buying" things.

    oh yeah, what i meant by im partial, i meant impartial lol.. damn space.. lol..

    im not saying that everyone will quit.. but i can say that if i managed the game, and saw that everyone was getting ramped up for a new faction, and i was not intending to deliver a faction, i would take steps to come out streight away and say, sorry no faction.. but it is something cool still.. the longer they let everyone build up excitement, the harder the fall..

    i didnt say it would end the game, but i know alot of people who have been teatering on weather to devote their time in other games, and ask why they log on..

    i also think it pointless to "build" up a romulan faction.. this is a unique game where cbs and paramount already built them up.. this isnt like a game that is introducing something new and wants to give a back story.. it is there already.. i would find it a waste to make romulan content that didnt include a romulan faction..

    what i see coming for the "not season 8" as someone called it lol.. is a slew of missions that will be for kdf, fed, and a rom. faction.. we will all pretty much do the same thing with a few promised kdf only missions.. and probably a few less than steller rom only missions..

    not that they have made the game cookie cutter with fed and klink, its not really all that hard to make a rom faction.. plus, you know its not gonna be a 1 to 50 faction either, he has said so many times.. so it wouldnt take that much development.. (well not as much as some peeps expect..)..

    being a mainly fed playing guy, i really dont care either way, im just saying it as it is.. not releasing a rom faction after teasing it, and letting the player base get all antsy about it would be a bad thing.. especially for one of the less developed games on the market.. cryptic and sto simply does not have the leeway to make large scale mistakes.. they hang by the thread of every season.. they already lost half the player base, and in a f2p move, was able to remedy losing more than half the player base, but i do not think they can afford another drop in the player base..

    and free or not.. its about the want to log in.. there are pleanty of free to play games that i have tried, that i do not like.. for instance, i love super heroes, i played cryptics other game (name eludes me for now) and was into it for a little while, but i havnt updtated it in over a year.. cause it just didnt draw me in.. and sto is begining to do the same to me.. and i am a die hard trekkie.. not saying everyone feels the same way i do, but only a fool would think that im the only one...
  • squidheadjaxsquidheadjax Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    puttenham wrote: »
    im not saying that everyone will quit.. but i can say that if i managed the game, and saw that everyone was getting ramped up for a new faction, and i was not intending to deliver a faction, i would take steps to come out streight away and say, sorry no faction.. but it is something cool still.. the longer they let everyone build up excitement, the harder the fall..

    Overhype, then struggle to lower expectations near release time, and then still manage to limbo under that lowered bar has been Cryptic's pattern the entire time. I doubt they'd stop now. I don't know what purpose they think the ambiguity serves, but it's dumb. Oh well.
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  • darkkindness2darkkindness2 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Sure they've created expectations, it doesn't mean they have to live up to them though. They've got into a habit of letting the community down (see KDF). There is a list somewhere (I forget where not) of all the things they've said they were going to do but haven't.

    Just wanted to pop in to give a link to the list you were talking about.

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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Found it:

    http://nw.perfectworld.com/about/races

    They have Half Romulans as well apparently. ;)
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    puttenham wrote: »
    im partial to a new faction. but i can see the writing on the wall. "if" cryptic does not indeed deliver a ramulan faction, i believe the game will lose alot of players, it will take a hard hit it may have trouble, or not be able to recover from..

    Oh it will. There will be new content, a new fleet holding, new stuff to try out, new missions, a new reputation... Some might rant on the forums and say the game is doomed for the 128th time but then they'll forget their romulan faction and keep playing their fed/kdf char. Because 98% of the players saying the game will die in a week keep playing for a very, very long time anyway. That's a fact, most of them are still there. :D
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  • jonpark020979jonpark020979 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I find it funny that everyone is forgetting they have been working on a new playable race since mid year 1, this was suppose to be part of the 3 year event, however when they lost half there staff some things had to change.

    Now that they are back to a full staff (even bigger) since they took some of the people who worked on city of heroes (super hero mmorpg) they have had some of them working into overtime to get this part of the game online.

    I would love to see what happens when this comes to light i bet not one of the STO bashers will return to this thread to say they were wrong, but i can't wait my fleet and i belive this is when we will see something on tribble in 18 days.
  • psymantispsymantis Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    It's best to expect nothing than be disappointed. The problem with Cryptic being so secretive is people start getting their hopes up when Cryptic (through ability or desire) will not produce anything near what is imagined by the players.

    If a paid expansion had been announced then I'd believe a new faction could be incoming. Without that there's little chance of one as I don't believe Cryptic will develop content anymore that is either minimal, repetitive or directly money-making. I'd like to be proved wrong though.:(
  • davester61davester61 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    There are some who think the update in may will be centering on the Romulans as a playable faction, as there are also those who think the update will be about the Iconians return to the forefront of the would-be Galactic Power-Players. I think it's more likely to be six of one, half-dozen of the other, with MAYBE a few tweaks to the Klingon faction to make it more playable, although I could be mistaken about any or all of the above.../8/
  • psymantispsymantis Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i bet not one of the STO bashers will return to this thread to say they were wrong,

    This thread will probably be buried by then but if a new faction is created that is at least as good as the Klingons then I'll certainly be on the forums complementing them on it. Your can quote me on that.
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I find it funny that everyone is forgetting they have been working on a new playable race since mid year 1, this was suppose to be part of the 3 year event, however when they lost half there staff some things had to change.

    Do you have the link to this please?
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  • jonpark020979jonpark020979 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    solomace wrote: »
    Do you have the link to this please?

    what do you want a link to? Just before the game went free to play they had spoken about trying to make it a 2 year thing, but when things got bad they pushed it back, then when City of heroes went down (due to play and subs going down) perfect world and cryptic handed the workers a job in there field bringing there work force up to 55 people.

    So now we are at the level of people they have to make it what they need. So now they have more testers and content makers, so now you have the truth and if you need a link then you have no faith, that and i can't find the link any longer.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Overhype, then struggle to lower expectations near release time, and then still manage to limbo under that lowered bar has been Cryptic's pattern the entire time. I doubt they'd stop now. I don't know what purpose they think the ambiguity serves, but it's dumb. Oh well.

    Furthermore I don't see how this would be worse than breaking any "promise" Cryptic made since launch ... because this time (might be the first) they're actually didn't promise anything ... the whole Romulan Faction idea is pretty much about people expecting stuff, which nobody really confirmed

    First of all i think it's kind of silly to take anything for granted Dstahl was speculating about in the past, but there are a lot of things he mentioned which never happened ... like "FE's withouts major breaks etc ...." .... but he never even mentioned "Playable Romulans" for May ... so everything he said before would still be "worse" -> might be the first time it's not gonna be Cryptic's "fault" if they "fail to deliver"

    what do you want a link to? Just before the game went free to play they had spoken about trying to make it a 2 year thing, but when things got bad they pushed it back, then when City of heroes went down (due to play and subs going down) perfect world and cryptic handed the workers a job in there field bringing there work force up to 55 people.

    So now we are at the level of people they have to make it what they need. So now they have more testers and content makers, so now you have the truth and if you need a link then you have no faith, that and i can't find the link any longer.

    Sorry thats just BS ... first of all we would like to see some link to some statement that Cryptic is/was actually working on a third faction ... secondly I doubt you're gonna find something like this because the only thing i could think of is the usual .... "Romulans are still on the table, if and when we're gonna release a third faction yadda yadda yadda" - Statement which pretty much staid the same since launch, even after the "Beneath Raptors Wings" Teaser ... thirdly you still have the chance to surprise me on this ...
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  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    One of the problems with this place is a lot of people don't know what the word "promise" means, as can be evidenced across about 100 different current non-necro threads.

    Obviously I'd love to see a Romulan faction but I'm not going to throw my toys out the window when it doesn't happen.


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  • truwentruwen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    So, even without any pvp rep, there's at least 4-5 months of work here..

    it seems you're making an assumption that the work on this stuff starts now-ish. When there is no indication that they are starting now or 6 months ago. The thing about game design is we really don't know what they are working on when they started the projects and how far ahead they are in the project.

    I like to think we are getting a new faction though, it would be fun and a nice change of pace to some degree.

    There are little hints that make me think they are giving us the Romulan faction. So here's to hoping.
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    what do you want a link to? Just before the game went free to play they had spoken about trying to make it a 2 year thing, but when things got bad they pushed it back, then when City of heroes went down (due to play and subs going down) perfect world and cryptic handed the workers a job in there field bringing there work force up to 55 people.

    So now we are at the level of people they have to make it what they need. So now they have more testers and content makers, so now you have the truth and if you need a link then you have no faith, that and i can't find the link any longer.

    Been here since beta and the only thing I am aware of that they "stated", was 2 full factions on release, then 1 faction plus a PVP faction on release (and we know how that turned out). I remember the 45 day patch to fix the "pvp faction" and then the "see the history of the KDF"...

    I don't know what you talking about with the "just before it went f2p", as we all know now that at this time the VIC 20 test computers weren't working correctly and they had to use their hands as cups...

    I have to say, of all the "rubbish" that the pro Cryptic people spout, yours has to be the most blatant "Cack" I have heard.

    Nice piece of "science fiction" read though.;)
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