As a lockbox ship the D'Deridex is going to be a heavily armed cruiser with a turn rate of 12, 5 fore weapons, 3 aft, Sensor Analysis, and a battle cloak. Oh and 10 consoles.
Not true in the slightest. KDF doesn't want special treatment, it wants EQUAL treatment. Or at least a lot closer to equal than we have now. We just want KDF-centric missions of our own, rough KDF-equivalents to some of the newer Fed ships, and other such things.
But how do you convince the guys in charge of the money? Simply saying "its the right thing to do" is never going to cut it.
This is why I'm so doubtful of a Romulan faction. Even if it was released I really doubt it'd be more than the last 5 levels with 3 t4 free ships (an escort, sci vessel, and a cruiser) and everything else at a premium prize. In essence an even less complete faction than the KDF currently is, merely a way to monetize Romulan shinies without any pretense at a real faction.
people want romulans, let them play as romulans - as part of the kdf or federation.
make romulan ships available to both factions only accessible if you are a romulan character (of course that would create a lot of 'i want to do what i want' whines)
the above are better ideas than a third faction in a game where the 2nd faction is incomplete.
I actually skim over a lot of the threads in many of the different areas of the forums. I am thinking that most of us do.
I am picking up on a common theme amongst the Federation-centric and general forums that has me a bit down. That theme is a yearning for a true Romulan faction...and married to that theme are the ideas that for all intents and purposes the KDF as a faction should be considered "done" because it is likely that more players will flock to the Romulan faction anyway, and the KDF really does not need much new content...or ships...or storyline..and that it has been three years...and this is all the KDF should expect, other than the ability to start at level 1. I even saw one guy say that the number of ships are like 50 or so available at Tier 5, and that the KDF has more variety of vessels than the Feds do, and don't need any more ship types at all.
You know...if that happens (a new rom faction with the KDF being considered "done" as is)..well, I am a lifetime subscriber, so "leaving" the game is not really an option since I can pick it back up wherever I may have left off at...but if it goes down in this way, I will be extremely dissapointed.
I know that what is driving this is a certain demographic in the Federation player base that does not care the slightest for Klingon content or the KDF faction -- all they care about is getting into that sexy Romulan War Bird as soon as they can...and so they view the KDF as an obstacle to that goal...and obstacle that they really do not see as an obstacle because they -- in their own minds at least -- do not recognize the KDF as a true faction in this game.
It is sad. And depressing.
the feds have close to 100 ships last time i counted and kdf 60odd how it that fair only thing i want from cryptic is a few missions so players can choose to play kdf without having to lvl a fed.
also when they make a fed ship they make a kdf version too that not much to ask for. i want the factions to be treated equal ballance them out.
i have never ever come across a game where the dev pick one faction over the other it doesnt make sense its just bloody lazy.
and as for saying more players play fed so its more bang for buck they shot them selfs in the foot. they force players to choose feds and never produce fair content for kdf so most players dont bother to try kdf since they already spent time and money on feds.
MORE people would play kdf if cryptic forced them to play kdf 1st DUH. wheres the logic in ti.
i dont care that feds have around tripple the amount of mission. but as for the ships locking out picking a faction and not making any cstore items for kdf is bloody stupid and anoying.
i hope season 8 will fix this as its surposed to have more kdf stuff. i'll belive it when i see it !.
I've got a feeling we don't have that much to worry about.
I believe when the Romulans come out, there will be a much larger portion of the playerbase migrating from the Federation than the KDF.
Simply because those who play KDF seem to actually want to play KDF while a whole bunch of people are just playing Fed because they don't have what they want available.
I agree. The real worry seems to be coming from feds (like on the next page) that worry a complete KDF would ruin thier ability to farm KDF toons for Dil and EC to feed thier fed toons.
I agree. The real worry seems to be coming from feds (like on the next page) that worry a complete KDF would ruin thier ability to farm KDF toons for Dil and EC to feed thier fed toons.
Believe me, I'm not happy about the KDF having become an alt farmer faction. Its a bizarre action that should never have been necessary at all. But that's neither the real KDF player's, nor the KDF farmer's fault. Cryptic made the bribes to get people to play KDF, which did happen.... how much worse would it be if there were no KDF farmer toons to prop up the KDF population numbers? We keep hearing 16%, without the farmers what would that number be?
Imagine being an STO dev trying to justify to the money guys any more expenditure of limited resources on KDF content. Now imagine how much harder that would be without the KDF farmer toons propping up the population numbers?
Besides that, I don't feel bad at all about wanting to keep my easy Dil and EC from KDF farming alts!
This isn't a TV show, this is a computer game.
And if you look at the histoy of Star Trek computer games, you'll find several that didn't even struggle when it came to providing a well-rounded pool of ships or storytelling beyond the Federation.
In fact there are even some that don't actually focus on the Federation at all.
And most of those were restricted in terms of the canon material they were allowed to use.
"Klingon Academy" was restricted to the Original Series and the first 6 movies.
"Star Trek: Klingon" was entirly restricted to the TNG and DS9 material for legal reasons.
Yet they provided compelling and immersive story.
They were also restricted to either space (Klingon Academy) or ground (Klingon Honor Guard), this game can easily do both.
So that the shows or movies were mostly about the Federation is nothing more than an incredibly lame and transparent excuse when it comes to this game.
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.
TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.
DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.
STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.
STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin' ...
Erm, whats the problem if a half-finished faction? The first 50 levels don't matter. I wish I started at 20 and could doff at 22 then rush into the end with just that. The missions themselves have variable quality, if anything, asking Cryptic to make more missions is to give them more chances to fail...
(Granted I'd have to admit they make KDF missions better because they're good at pewpew...)
Ship variety is pointless when half of them are just shiny trinkets, and only the 6 endgame escorts actually matter.
As for advantages the KDF have... Faster leveling is one. Cloaking is pointless in this game so I'll leave that argument out. BoPs... well YMMV, I both love and hate them. But you've got way better hybrid ships and now we know that the elite fleet disruptors have the better proc.
I think KDF is good as they are. Just allow players to start as a KDF toon, have them level immediately to 21 the moment they finish the tour around Qoonos and I'd say the KDF are good.
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TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.
TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.
DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.
STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.
STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin...
Just because there hasn't been any movies or television series focused on Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans doesn't mean that none of these groups have a fanbase. Also if they were to do a movie or TV series based on these factions they would be just as entertaining as those focused on Starfleet, maybe more so. For every guy who wants to play Batman there's a guy who wants to play as the Joker.
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin...
Ye gods, that made my morning. I hadn't thought of that game in ages.
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Just because there hasn't been any movies or television series focused on Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans doesn't mean that none of these groups have a fanbase. Also if they were to do a movie or TV series based on these factions they would be just as entertaining as those focused on Starfleet, maybe more so. For every guy who wants to play Batman there's a guy who wants to play as the Joker.
And some want to play as the Riddler. Point is, however, that Batman, is the star of the franchise. The majority of people go to a Batman movie, to see Batman, beat up the Joker. Take Star Wars for instance. People want to be Jedis, Sith, Bounty hunters, or Smugglers. Stormtroopers are kind of a niche market. Not as big a sell, see what I'm sayin' ? Star Trek is the same way, which is why the focus on content, is geared toward StarFleet. Let's face it, Cryptic has a hard enough time with Fed content, which is what the majority playerbase is made up of, that if they had to keep up with content for two other factions, theoretically, they'd have to triple the size of the company.
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.
TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.
DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.
STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.
STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin' ...
Have you actually read my post?
Oh, BTW if you want things to be like in the shows we should only be allowed to play human characters.
Because that's what all those commanding officers you listed are.
That what the focus of the shows was on.
That was also the tagline of the first movie: "The human adventure is just beginning".
So logically we should delete or convert all the non-human characters so things are more like in the shows.
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.
TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.
DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.
STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.
STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin' ...
According to memory alpha. Episodes on klingons (suppossedly excluding Worf and Belana)
TOS 7 out of 80
TNG 31 out of 176
DS9 49 out of 173
VOY 14 out 168
ENT 11 out of 97
TAS 2 out of 22
FILMS 7 out of 11
For and total of 121 out of 727 episodes and films over the decades.
So I do not find it presumptiuos that we fans of the Klingons wish for a fully functional faction to enjoy.
This doesnt even include the other races, Orions, Gorn and Naucicans which have made plenty of appearances of thier on over the decades. Im sure they would like a full fleshed faction as well.
So while the humans are the focus of the IP, we other races are now more than support characters. I still see no reason why in the open game we should hold our hats in hand and not expect more considering our decades of faithful fandom.
Why are you complaining about transitional ships? does it matter you start at lv1? KDF used to start at lv1 and then you had to XP your way to lv50 ...
Sure KDF starts at 30 skipping a lot of levels but considering how those levels dont matter its as much of a issue as the Miranda being a entity, you have it for 2 days or something and then you grow over it.
Those levels did not matter then because they had only sparse story to make them fun.
With a new tutorial and story to play that puts the fan in the game instead of just storyless grind, those levels would have a purpose again.
Thats the crux of wanting a complete factio. We have no story and no thing to draw in players or anything that tells why we exist in STO other than a shadow of the feds.
It was not possible at the time, but if we hsd real substance as a faction the KDF may not be in the state it is in today and more woild play it because it entertaining
We cant just focus on the endgame as important since we are all there. The begining and middle of the level climb is just as important becuase the beginjng is where the player decides to stick with the leveling grind and the middle is where they decide not to give up whdn things seem slow.
Take Star Wars for instance. People want to be Jedis, Sith, Bounty hunters, or Smugglers. Stormtroopers are kind of a niche market.
Err I always got hte impression there were more people dressing up as Stormtroopers than the other parts.
Equally how many people do you see with Starfleet weddings? Because there's probabbly more with Klingon ones.
Just saying like, neither of the above appeals to me.
All I can say is: I have more fun chomping things in my Gorn, and undermining the empire :P but every lizard is allowed a hobby. Than I do get stalked by T'nae (seriosuly the silly bint won't leave me alone, everyime I log in she starts phoning me up).
Personally I suspect the real reason of Trek gamer hatred of the KDF from the fed side is just how badly time and time again the Klingons kicked the snot out of federation led forces in the play of the Starfleet Command series of games (regularly outnumbered by the fed faction by more then 4 to 1 and we STILL kicked thier butt)
Just like this game feds had all the newbs in that game too. The infamous captain Kirk syndrome. But meh, ISC was the way of real warriors, outnumbered a hundred to one. But at least plasma torps were scary in that game, they're meh in this game. BTW hate to break it too you but Klinks didn't always win on D-2.
The root of all problems with STO is that there are too few people involved who simply do not understand this simple concept. The worst offender is whomever is makiing the decisions at CBS.
The root of all problems with STO is that there are too few people involved who simply do not understand this simple concept. The worst offender is whomever is makiing the decisions at CBS.
wrong. this game would be long gone if it hadn't the CBS approval and ST label.
probably in the 1st year.
launched as is now, 3 years later, it would have a chance..
According to memory alpha. Episodes on klingons (suppossedly excluding Worf and Belana)
TOS 7 out of 80
TNG 31 out of 176
DS9 49 out of 173
VOY 14 out 168
ENT 11 out of 97
TAS 2 out of 22
FILMS 7 out of 11
For and total of 121 out of 727 episodes and films over the decades.
So I do not find it presumptiuos that we fans of the Klingons wish for a fully functional faction to enjoy.
This doesnt even include the other races, Orions, Gorn and Naucicans which have made plenty of appearances of thier on over the decades. Im sure they would like a full fleshed faction as well.
So while the humans are the focus of the IP, we other races are now more than support characters. I still see no reason why in the open game we should hold our hats in hand and not expect more considering our decades of faithful fandom.
To be honest the statistic parts of your post is really not in favour of your argument.
It says the Klingons were in around 16,6% of the tv episodes.
Such a low percent seems to be .... exactly presumptious.
Now since we all love battlecruisers, you should not mention such mathematical values. Even if the movie percentage is much better.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
To be honest the statistic parts of your post is really not in favour of your argument.
It says the Klingons were in around 16,6% of the tv episodes.
Such a low percent seems to be .... exactly presumptious.
Now since we all love battlecruisers, you should not mention such mathematical values. Even if the movie percentage is much better.
But as I already pointed out, when we make things the same percentage as in the show we can delete all the non-human player characters because the leads were all human.
And if we go even further we can add restrictions on every account that only allow 1 in 5 characters to be female, 1 in 5 to be non-American and 1 in 5 to be of African decent.
And on top of that since there was no Asian lead we can scrap those altogether.
But the big joke is that it's okay to go beyond the small window into the Star Trek universe the shows and movies gave us...as long as the window is still only enlarged so encompasses the Federation some more.
While this weird double-standard of "was not the focus of the show" is employed once the focus is no longer on the Federation.
I dont think there will be a romulan faction , the people at cryptic cant be that out of touch with there own product, just look at their problems with a unfinished KDF
I think there may be a shared faction
Romulan refugee's with there ships and stuff on the /fed side
Romulan tal'shiar on the / KDF side
You buy a character at level 50 ! and have access to the ( Romulan ) ships and content but cant use it on your Fed or KDF characters just the romulan character
All other races could be done the same way Breen/Jem'Hadar Ect
Its a win win for cryptic they only have to make costumes and low level ships this way
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But how do you convince the guys in charge of the money? Simply saying "its the right thing to do" is never going to cut it.
This is why I'm so doubtful of a Romulan faction. Even if it was released I really doubt it'd be more than the last 5 levels with 3 t4 free ships (an escort, sci vessel, and a cruiser) and everything else at a premium prize. In essence an even less complete faction than the KDF currently is, merely a way to monetize Romulan shinies without any pretense at a real faction.
make romulan ships available to both factions only accessible if you are a romulan character (of course that would create a lot of 'i want to do what i want' whines)
the above are better ideas than a third faction in a game where the 2nd faction is incomplete.
the feds have close to 100 ships last time i counted and kdf 60odd how it that fair only thing i want from cryptic is a few missions so players can choose to play kdf without having to lvl a fed.
also when they make a fed ship they make a kdf version too that not much to ask for. i want the factions to be treated equal ballance them out.
i have never ever come across a game where the dev pick one faction over the other it doesnt make sense its just bloody lazy.
and as for saying more players play fed so its more bang for buck they shot them selfs in the foot. they force players to choose feds and never produce fair content for kdf so most players dont bother to try kdf since they already spent time and money on feds.
MORE people would play kdf if cryptic forced them to play kdf 1st DUH. wheres the logic in ti.
i dont care that feds have around tripple the amount of mission. but as for the ships locking out picking a faction and not making any cstore items for kdf is bloody stupid and anoying.
i hope season 8 will fix this as its surposed to have more kdf stuff. i'll belive it when i see it !.
I agree. The real worry seems to be coming from feds (like on the next page) that worry a complete KDF would ruin thier ability to farm KDF toons for Dil and EC to feed thier fed toons.
R.I.P
ooooh. Not a good choice the Miranda. See, the Miranda is a ship people fly from levels 1 to 10.
The KDF don't even exist at those levels.
You're pouring salt on an open wound.
Believe me, I'm not happy about the KDF having become an alt farmer faction. Its a bizarre action that should never have been necessary at all. But that's neither the real KDF player's, nor the KDF farmer's fault. Cryptic made the bribes to get people to play KDF, which did happen.... how much worse would it be if there were no KDF farmer toons to prop up the KDF population numbers? We keep hearing 16%, without the farmers what would that number be?
Imagine being an STO dev trying to justify to the money guys any more expenditure of limited resources on KDF content. Now imagine how much harder that would be without the KDF farmer toons propping up the population numbers?
Besides that, I don't feel bad at all about wanting to keep my easy Dil and EC from KDF farming alts!
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.
TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.
DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.
STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.
STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin' ...
(Granted I'd have to admit they make KDF missions better because they're good at pewpew...)
Ship variety is pointless when half of them are just shiny trinkets, and only the 6 endgame escorts actually matter.
As for advantages the KDF have... Faster leveling is one. Cloaking is pointless in this game so I'll leave that argument out. BoPs... well YMMV, I both love and hate them. But you've got way better hybrid ships and now we know that the elite fleet disruptors have the better proc.
I think KDF is good as they are. Just allow players to start as a KDF toon, have them level immediately to 21 the moment they finish the tour around Qoonos and I'd say the KDF are good.
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Just because there hasn't been any movies or television series focused on Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans doesn't mean that none of these groups have a fanbase. Also if they were to do a movie or TV series based on these factions they would be just as entertaining as those focused on Starfleet, maybe more so. For every guy who wants to play Batman there's a guy who wants to play as the Joker.
Ye gods, that made my morning. I hadn't thought of that game in ages.
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And some want to play as the Riddler. Point is, however, that Batman, is the star of the franchise. The majority of people go to a Batman movie, to see Batman, beat up the Joker. Take Star Wars for instance. People want to be Jedis, Sith, Bounty hunters, or Smugglers. Stormtroopers are kind of a niche market. Not as big a sell, see what I'm sayin' ? Star Trek is the same way, which is why the focus on content, is geared toward StarFleet. Let's face it, Cryptic has a hard enough time with Fed content, which is what the majority playerbase is made up of, that if they had to keep up with content for two other factions, theoretically, they'd have to triple the size of the company.
Have you actually read my post?
Oh, BTW if you want things to be like in the shows we should only be allowed to play human characters.
Because that's what all those commanding officers you listed are.
That what the focus of the shows was on.
That was also the tagline of the first movie: "The human adventure is just beginning".
So logically we should delete or convert all the non-human characters so things are more like in the shows.
According to memory alpha. Episodes on klingons (suppossedly excluding Worf and Belana)
TOS 7 out of 80
TNG 31 out of 176
DS9 49 out of 173
VOY 14 out 168
ENT 11 out of 97
TAS 2 out of 22
FILMS 7 out of 11
For and total of 121 out of 727 episodes and films over the decades.
So I do not find it presumptiuos that we fans of the Klingons wish for a fully functional faction to enjoy.
This doesnt even include the other races, Orions, Gorn and Naucicans which have made plenty of appearances of thier on over the decades. Im sure they would like a full fleshed faction as well.
So while the humans are the focus of the IP, we other races are now more than support characters. I still see no reason why in the open game we should hold our hats in hand and not expect more considering our decades of faithful fandom.
R.I.P
Those levels did not matter then because they had only sparse story to make them fun.
With a new tutorial and story to play that puts the fan in the game instead of just storyless grind, those levels would have a purpose again.
Thats the crux of wanting a complete factio. We have no story and no thing to draw in players or anything that tells why we exist in STO other than a shadow of the feds.
It was not possible at the time, but if we hsd real substance as a faction the KDF may not be in the state it is in today and more woild play it because it entertaining
We cant just focus on the endgame as important since we are all there. The begining and middle of the level climb is just as important becuase the beginjng is where the player decides to stick with the leveling grind and the middle is where they decide not to give up whdn things seem slow.
R.I.P
Err I always got hte impression there were more people dressing up as Stormtroopers than the other parts.
Equally how many people do you see with Starfleet weddings? Because there's probabbly more with Klingon ones.
Just saying like, neither of the above appeals to me.
All I can say is: I have more fun chomping things in my Gorn, and undermining the empire :P but every lizard is allowed a hobby. Than I do get stalked by T'nae (seriosuly the silly bint won't leave me alone, everyime I log in she starts phoning me up).
Just like this game feds had all the newbs in that game too. The infamous captain Kirk syndrome. But meh, ISC was the way of real warriors, outnumbered a hundred to one. But at least plasma torps were scary in that game, they're meh in this game. BTW hate to break it too you but Klinks didn't always win on D-2.
i was VERY sad as i have seen no Romulans at launch, in the 1st year, ....
i do main KDF from the start, cause the FED just is ...meh, and i will certainly continue to play my KDF toons till servers are running,
buy hey man, just face the fact - KDF is playable, very playable at endgame,
and FED will ALWAYS be the main faction.
but even then, you have been ENJOYING your favourite faction since launch.
me, personally, am tired of faking Romulans in the KDF (12 of them by now)
wrong. this game would be long gone if it hadn't the CBS approval and ST label.
probably in the 1st year.
launched as is now, 3 years later, it would have a chance..
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To be honest the statistic parts of your post is really not in favour of your argument.
It says the Klingons were in around 16,6% of the tv episodes.
Such a low percent seems to be .... exactly presumptious.
Now since we all love battlecruisers, you should not mention such mathematical values. Even if the movie percentage is much better.
But as I already pointed out, when we make things the same percentage as in the show we can delete all the non-human player characters because the leads were all human.
And if we go even further we can add restrictions on every account that only allow 1 in 5 characters to be female, 1 in 5 to be non-American and 1 in 5 to be of African decent.
And on top of that since there was no Asian lead we can scrap those altogether.
But the big joke is that it's okay to go beyond the small window into the Star Trek universe the shows and movies gave us...as long as the window is still only enlarged so encompasses the Federation some more.
While this weird double-standard of "was not the focus of the show" is employed once the focus is no longer on the Federation.
I think there may be a shared faction
Romulan refugee's with there ships and stuff on the /fed side
Romulan tal'shiar on the / KDF side
You buy a character at level 50 ! and have access to the ( Romulan ) ships and content but cant use it on your Fed or KDF characters just the romulan character
All other races could be done the same way Breen/Jem'Hadar Ect
Its a win win for cryptic they only have to make costumes and low level ships this way
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse