At the risk of trolling, i must say that since i play STO, i hate Escort Class ships and this one doesn't make it any better.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Just wanted to say, this is the first ship I've bought in ages. I've been somewhat bitter about the game for quite some time. But the Andorian ship has brightened my game experience. Good work on creating it. And thanks to the team for being so responsive about the bugs.
The Andorian ships don;t really appeal to me and i'm quite surprised that I didnt see any when I was in Sector space last night. Wonder if all the bugs has stopped people flying them
NO TO ARC
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Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
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I've been praying for a ship like this since I rolled my first captain, an Andorian. Personally, I just keep shields up in the front arc (yay Tactical Team) and rip targets apart before they break through. It's a Titan of firepower. If they fix any "bugs", it'll be a GOD.
The Andorian ships don;t really appeal to me and i'm quite surprised that I didnt see any when I was in Sector space last night. Wonder if all the bugs has stopped people flying them
i have only ever seen one of the bug ships in the stf's/fleet events i do , so how would this stop people from using these ? .
some say they are made of glass but i had 2 kdf ships trying to kill me for well over 10 min before they managed it (1 carrier and one neg'var i think it was) , and that was when other kdf ships warped in
Hmm, seems out of place in a 25th century setting, seeing as Andoria is no longer an independent "empire", as far as I know. Any chance we can get an A.D.F. (Andorian Defense Fleet) prefix, or something like that?
That's not the bridge though. In the background, you can see the same door that they used in the torture room (with the silver swoops), which is NOT present on the Kumari Bridge. Those doors flank the viewscreen, which they do not on the kumari Bridge, and the viewscreen is the wrong shape. Hence, Nonsense room.
Glad you like it! It's always hard when it comes to something like this. The ship is ancient by 2409 standards, and JamJamz spiced up the exteriors to fit iin today. The bridge SHOULD have been upgraded significantly by now. But. . . we're fans, and we want to see what we saw on the shows. . .
Hmm, seems out of place in a 25th century setting, seeing as Andoria is no longer an independent "empire", as far as I know. Any chance we can get an A.D.F. (Andorian Defense Fleet) prefix, or something like that?
Actually as far as I know from what has been mentioned in Star Trek throughout the series, Andoria never dissasembled the Imperial Guard. They joined Starfleet, yes, but the Imperial Guard survived and continued to function as an organization.
i have only ever seen one of the bug ships in the stf's/fleet events i do , so how would this stop people from using these ? .
some say they are made of glass but i had 2 kdf ships trying to kill me for well over 10 min before they managed it (1 carrier and one neg'var i think it was) , and that was when other kdf ships warped in
Not Bug Ships I was on about the bugs that the andorian ships had I think involving the wing cannons which I believe is now resolved,
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Hmm, seems out of place in a 25th century setting, seeing as Andoria is no longer an independent "empire", as far as I know. Any chance we can get an A.D.F. (Andorian Defense Fleet) prefix, or something like that?
Starfleet is like the United Nations, not the United States. Each world has their own government and it's own military - assuming a particular society has a military: I doubt Vulcans do. They all just contribute to Starfleet for the betterment of the united union. Together they can stand against foes that would crush them individually but they're still very-much their own worlds.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Starfleet is like the United Nations, not the United States. Each world has their own government and it's own military - assuming a particular society has a military: I doubt Vulcans do. They all just contribute to Starfleet for the betterment of the united union. Together they can stand against foes that would crush them individually but they're still very-much their own worlds.
WHAT THE HECK?? - where did you come from?? - Were you on a 5 month deep space mission or something? Been a long time since I have seen you post.
I have always preferred the KDF but I had one Andorian character that created almost on Day 1 that I had not really played with since he became a VA but I have to admit that I am playing him non-stop now. I really love that ship. I keep switching between the Tactical and Engineering versions and although the Tactical is really squishy with no real to heal shields or hull I still love it. I do believe the DPS is a bit low for a 5-forward weapon slot ship and I don't think the special abilities should be on the same CD as other BOFF skills but still it is a very nice looking ship with some decent DPS. Good job!
WHAT THE HECK?? - where did you come from?? - Were you on a 5 month deep space mission or something? Been a long time since I have seen you post.
I don't spend much time on the forum any more. I find that life is more enjoyable when you choose to live it angst free.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Hmm, seems out of place in a 25th century setting, seeing as Andoria is no longer an independent "empire", as far as I know. Any chance we can get an A.D.F. (Andorian Defense Fleet) prefix, or something like that?
I thought all Federation world were independent and the Federation was basically like the U.N. or E.U.
It is important to note that there are two independent, but related bodies here. The United Federation of Planets, and Starfleet.
The Federation is like the UN. Each subsidiary nation (or world in this case) can, and likely does, still have it's own means of production, and it's own ships. (Vulcan, Andorian, Caitian, etc.).
However, Starfleet is like NATO, it's an intergovernmental military force. Unlike NATO, Starfleet is the military wing of the UFP. Starfleet ships are what we are used to seeing (all the enterprises, etc.), but they are not the only ships within the Federation.
Nice to see the other species of the federation are finally beginning to pulling their weight and support the war effort. It's actually starting feel like a federation of planets with unique cultures instead of a single controlling empire. Too bad the other ships didn't get cultural bridges , little details like that make the cultures stand out. Well guess I'll just hope there might be more Caitian ships in the future or at the very least a Caitian carrier frigate pet. *wink * wink*;)
Nice to see the other species of the federation are finally beginning to pulling their weight and support the war effort. It's actually starting feel like a federation of planets with unique cultures instead of a single controlling empire. Too bad the other ships didn't get cultural bridges , little details like that make the cultures stand out. Well guess I'll just hope there might be more Caitian ships in the future or at the very least a Caitian carrier frigate pet. *wink * wink*;)
Ferasan first, then we can get more for our fed cats.
The Federation is an odd government. It asserts territorial control without asserting sovereignty over that territory.
This leads to some unusual situations like the Nausicaan and Orion homeworlds being inside the Federation but not in the Federation.
In those cases, a government like the Klingon Empire would say "we own your planet and there's nothing you can do about it," the Federation says "we don't own your planet, but we own everything around it and if you shape up you can join us."
I'm not sure this sort of governance would actually function in the face of hostiles inside its borders, TBH. But nobody ever claimed Star Trek was realistic.
Vulcan Science ships are mentioned in DS9 and some are seen during TNG
Spock's ship in Star Trek 2009 (the jellyfish) was built by Vulcans and designed in large part by Geordi La Forge during a break he took from Starfleet and was, hence, not a Starfleet ship.
Just a side note as I've seen discussion on the point:
I believe the STO timeline for Geordi goes something like this and does deviate from the novels: Served on the Enterprise-E for around 6-7 years after Nemesis and married a widowed Leah Brahms, having three kids with her. Geordi took an assignment to resurrect Data by overwriting B4. This was an assignment at the Soong Institute that Bruce Maddox quit in disgust over because it violated B4's rights. Geordi was blinded by his desire to see his friend again. In the end they saved B4 by backing him up to a holodeck but Data was deeply upset with Geordi. Geordi, depressed, quit Starfleet and his marriage fell apart. He was pulled in by Spock to design the Jellyfish for the Vulcan Science Council. He decided to resume his Starfleet career and took command of the Galaxy-class U.S.S. Challenger, where he married his (still unnamed) chief engineer and they served together as husband and wife. He is theoretically still in command of the Challenger to this day after around 15 years of service there.
The Federation is an odd government. It asserts territorial control without asserting sovereignty over that territory.
This leads to some unusual situations like the Nausicaan and Orion homeworlds being inside the Federation but not in the Federation.
In those cases, a government like the Klingon Empire would say "we own your planet and there's nothing you can do about it," the Federation says "we don't own your planet, but we own everything around it and if you shape up you can join us."
I'm not sure this sort of governance would actually function in the face of hostiles inside its borders, TBH. But nobody ever claimed Star Trek was realistic.
Well, yeah. But then again, space is also three dimensional so I don't see any of the empires functioning very well with traditional notions of sovereignty.
And with the weapons and replicators present, once a culture has that technology (and you can replicate a replicator or there'd be no self-replicating mines), I'd think traditional empires like the Klingons or Romulans would be very difficult as subjugating a world with replicators is nigh impossible. So I'd be inclined to think that the bigger you are and the tighter control you maintain, the weaker you are... and there's little incentive to control planets anyway except for dilithium and latinum. And the big need for dilithium is in controlling the space ways.
The net result being, controlling boundaries would be more important than controlling worlds and controlling worlds is mainly about ship fuel to control spaceways. And controlling spaceways absolutely is difficult. Romulans and Cardassians therefore rely on controlling information and blackmail. The Federation tries to control spaceways and its strength comes from not having to expend much in the way of dilithium on policing, while having nearly limitless replicator resources. Meanwhile, the Klingons' approach always struck me as... well... making them weaker and weaker with each military action. Plundering is irrelevant with replicators. Recrystalizing dilithium makes having more dilithium more of a time advantage than an overall advantage.
I'm not sure that the Klingon style wars can be regarded as a net gain at all. It's sport at best, an expensive sport. As conquering planets never makes you stronger for doing so, only weaker. The only real advantage probably comes from stealing technology, which is I suppose how the Klingons get by, being basically a tougher and smarter version of the Pakleds. But I can't imagine the bulk of their efforts pay off and so they're hindering themselves.
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Just wanted to say, this is the first ship I've bought in ages. I've been somewhat bitter about the game for quite some time. But the Andorian ship has brightened my game experience. Good work on creating it. And thanks to the team for being so responsive about the bugs.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
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It'd be trolling if you insulted other people for liking them. :P
i have only ever seen one of the bug ships in the stf's/fleet events i do , so how would this stop people from using these ? .
some say they are made of glass but i had 2 kdf ships trying to kill me for well over 10 min before they managed it (1 carrier and one neg'var i think it was) , and that was when other kdf ships warped in
DELTA PRICE RISING
Imperial Guard Vessel. Imperial Guard Ship.
Yep. Mr Taco should be promoted to Mr Enchilada.
why no crew deck? the ship is tough looks cool
Actually as far as I know from what has been mentioned in Star Trek throughout the series, Andoria never dissasembled the Imperial Guard. They joined Starfleet, yes, but the Imperial Guard survived and continued to function as an organization.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
WHAT THE HECK?? - where did you come from?? - Were you on a 5 month deep space mission or something? Been a long time since I have seen you post.
DELTA PRICE RISING
I thought all Federation world were independent and the Federation was basically like the U.N. or E.U.
It is important to note that there are two independent, but related bodies here. The United Federation of Planets, and Starfleet.
The Federation is like the UN. Each subsidiary nation (or world in this case) can, and likely does, still have it's own means of production, and it's own ships. (Vulcan, Andorian, Caitian, etc.).
However, Starfleet is like NATO, it's an intergovernmental military force. Unlike NATO, Starfleet is the military wing of the UFP. Starfleet ships are what we are used to seeing (all the enterprises, etc.), but they are not the only ships within the Federation.
Ferasan first, then we can get more for our fed cats.
This leads to some unusual situations like the Nausicaan and Orion homeworlds being inside the Federation but not in the Federation.
In those cases, a government like the Klingon Empire would say "we own your planet and there's nothing you can do about it," the Federation says "we don't own your planet, but we own everything around it and if you shape up you can join us."
I'm not sure this sort of governance would actually function in the face of hostiles inside its borders, TBH. But nobody ever claimed Star Trek was realistic.
I'll admit I'm curious to see what a Ferasan ship would look like.
Spock's ship in Star Trek 2009 (the jellyfish) was built by Vulcans and designed in large part by Geordi La Forge during a break he took from Starfleet and was, hence, not a Starfleet ship.
Just a side note as I've seen discussion on the point:
I believe the STO timeline for Geordi goes something like this and does deviate from the novels: Served on the Enterprise-E for around 6-7 years after Nemesis and married a widowed Leah Brahms, having three kids with her. Geordi took an assignment to resurrect Data by overwriting B4. This was an assignment at the Soong Institute that Bruce Maddox quit in disgust over because it violated B4's rights. Geordi was blinded by his desire to see his friend again. In the end they saved B4 by backing him up to a holodeck but Data was deeply upset with Geordi. Geordi, depressed, quit Starfleet and his marriage fell apart. He was pulled in by Spock to design the Jellyfish for the Vulcan Science Council. He decided to resume his Starfleet career and took command of the Galaxy-class U.S.S. Challenger, where he married his (still unnamed) chief engineer and they served together as husband and wife. He is theoretically still in command of the Challenger to this day after around 15 years of service there.
Well, yeah. But then again, space is also three dimensional so I don't see any of the empires functioning very well with traditional notions of sovereignty.
And with the weapons and replicators present, once a culture has that technology (and you can replicate a replicator or there'd be no self-replicating mines), I'd think traditional empires like the Klingons or Romulans would be very difficult as subjugating a world with replicators is nigh impossible. So I'd be inclined to think that the bigger you are and the tighter control you maintain, the weaker you are... and there's little incentive to control planets anyway except for dilithium and latinum. And the big need for dilithium is in controlling the space ways.
The net result being, controlling boundaries would be more important than controlling worlds and controlling worlds is mainly about ship fuel to control spaceways. And controlling spaceways absolutely is difficult. Romulans and Cardassians therefore rely on controlling information and blackmail. The Federation tries to control spaceways and its strength comes from not having to expend much in the way of dilithium on policing, while having nearly limitless replicator resources. Meanwhile, the Klingons' approach always struck me as... well... making them weaker and weaker with each military action. Plundering is irrelevant with replicators. Recrystalizing dilithium makes having more dilithium more of a time advantage than an overall advantage.
I'm not sure that the Klingon style wars can be regarded as a net gain at all. It's sport at best, an expensive sport. As conquering planets never makes you stronger for doing so, only weaker. The only real advantage probably comes from stealing technology, which is I suppose how the Klingons get by, being basically a tougher and smarter version of the Pakleds. But I can't imagine the bulk of their efforts pay off and so they're hindering themselves.