Whenever I worry that I might be taking my fandom too far, I can always find some thread to assure me that, no, there's real crazy out there and I'm not it.
Condescending dismissal of the other fellow's reasonable queries aside, you do come off as pretty unnecessarily insulting.
I wasn't even going to comment...'til I ran across your response to him in an unrelated thread about V'ger when he wasn't even addressing you, but someone else:
So as far as public record of who's being unreasonable or not...anyway. While these attempts to just will oneself to be right tend to come off as pretty entertaining for those of us just scanning the conversation, when does this thread plan to hop back on-topic with the OP, anyway? Something about JJ Abrams and whether the next Trek will be good?
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nikkyvix is right. Neither side is going to budge, so there's no real point in continuing this pointless argument.
I think there will be a third alternate-universe movie, whether JJ directs it or not. But I hope the Abramsverse ends there and we get back to prime Trek afterward. A new series would be great; there's plenty of galaxy left to explore.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
JJ being at the helm of the new-to-be-made-SW movies does not mean he's out of the running for making another ST based film.
Way too soon to suggest such a premise imo.
P.S.
Who can't wait to see lens flaring lightsabers and Han Solo with a new, J... err, hipster hair-style?
P.S.S.
Can't wait to see where everyone else has gone before in a Star Trek movie. More Kirk in a space suit! Hope he's mining his TRIBBLE off for their dilithium grind!
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
With JJ directing Star Wars, all I can say is that the way he made Star Trek bad, he is going to make star wars bad (It is already not a good show, but I do want it being ruined like Trek was). Although, it may be the right style for it. With JJ gone, we may finally have some proper Trek. And a new series would be cooler, because there would be more to watch.
Star Trek has 727 episodes (inc. films)
Star Wars has ... 6? Pitiful
I am going to send Paramount Studios a HAND WRITTEN letter, begging them for some proper Trek, and I am sure you guys would not mind me doing that.
But this is not going to work if one kid sends one letter
I need you guys to pressurise them too
Thanks for reading
Those were TV series and Star wars never made any as there were 6 of TMP 4 TNG and 1 JJ.I have't heard a thing about JJ doing stars wars movie.
They CBS will never bring Trek of the TNG era back.It is CBS not Paramount you should write to.You won't get the attention on this site as of V down there.The Head Admin wrote to Mr Redstone himself and got reply back but it is all on that V site.
We having been covering everything Trek for 11 years now.
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*in the voice of the President's advisor from Independence Day*...that's not ENTIRELY accurate sir....
Going to look for a mythical planet, and having some artificial(?) intelligence telling you its God isn't the same thing.
It was a spiritual journey for all of them. Well to be fair, it was the quest of a Vulcan, Spock's brother, to find this place; to search for more enlightenment.
Whenever I worry that I might be taking my fandom too far, I can always find some thread to assure me that, no, there's real crazy out there and I'm not it.
You think thats crazy? When the game launched there was a guy that was downright obsessed-nutso-crazy about trek. I can't remember his name, it was super-something or other. He spammed threads about wanting to start a real Starfleet. Real. As in he had access to spaceships. Not even joking.
I will admit that engaging him in the forums was a bit of a laugh, but in the end I started to really feel sorry for him. It was sort of obvious that outside of Star Trek and science fiction he didn't have a life. I actually exchanged a few PMs with him before I stopped my old sub...he wasn't that bad of a guy, but he did need some help, mental health wise.
Whenever I worry that I might be taking my fandom too far, I can always find some thread to assure me that, no, there's real crazy out there and I'm not it.
Considering the Mouse has its paws on the franchise now, I smell a conflict of interest clause coming out where JJ is concerned.
Or maybe we will just see Mouse-based Easter Eggs everywhere?
Am sure all the legalities were quite well-hammered out prior, though. The new films were announced with the change of IP ownership so that ball was in play for a good while prior.
Pretty solid players, IP-wise, on both sides so if there was a perceived conflict of interest on JJ's part, he would not have been named is what I am thinking.
Am truly surprised there was no ST:TV show alumni to direct the newer movies which could imply that the earlier nepotism which was, is no more. Take that, Wesley Crusher!
In an industry where trilogies are more golden than sequels, maintaining a consistency of vision as well as the artistic and cinematic feel could be considered important. Also,since we are looking at re-branding, am sure there is also a want by the IP-holders to "stay the course" more so than not.
IE: Using same director on a project until he/she works their way out of said position. There are possible risks which come with the act of throwing a new jockey onto the franchise-horse while hoping for the best... but the IP-holders really don't strike me as the gambling type. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
yeah...quantity over quality. No wonder people in Hollywood, including my former musical publicist, go absolutely NUTS when people want to make a film WITHOUT Hollywood help, and do everything to stop them. Kind of like a Ferengi with an over-exaggerated sense of greed.
What do you think the Ferengi were based off of? :rolleyes:
I like the new JJ Trek myself just not as much as the others. Some bits were very cool, some were just plain stupid. (I'm looking at Scotty's mascot, it needs to die. All silly mascots in sci fi films needs to die, blarp, ewoks, jar jar, now this scotty... thing)
Best way to look at JJ Trek is literally what its says it is: an alternate reality, that's why I like STO its dealing with the fall out of the Hobus nova and its aftermath, best thing JJ Trek gave us.
Also this rumour in that Spock will die in the new film. I think in a bizarre twist not yet revealed its old Spock not new Spock who will die (again)
Monkey see, Monkey do. Monkey flings Feathered Monkey poo...
Has it been confirmed that JJ is not doing more Star Trek films? I know that he was going to do Star Wars and he could do both. As far as his Star Trek movies go, I don't have a problem with them except for the whole alternate timeline thing. It seems like he didn't like the history of Star Trek and decided to start it from the beginning. It seems like he has a problem with Vulcans since the comic book prologue of the movie has the destruction of Romulus and he destroys Vulcan in his movie. This leads me to the conclusion that he is conceited and a egomaniac where he can't work on another person's project without completely changing it.
Has it been confirmed that JJ is not doing more Star Trek films? I know that he was going to do Star Wars and he could do both. As far as his Star Trek movies go, I don't have a problem with them except for the whole alternate timeline thing. It seems like he didn't like the history of Star Trek and decided to start it from the beginning. It seems like he has a problem with Vulcans since the comic book prologue of the movie has the destruction of Romulus and he destroys Vulcan in his movie. This leads me to the conclusion that he is conceited and a egomaniac where he can't work on another person's project without completely changing it.
Considering there's a good twenty years worth of Star Trek to go over, I'm surprised JJ got as much right as he did.
He will be involved with the third one, though probably not as a director. I wonder who will direct it in his place.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Granted I've been skimming this thread but some things have just jumped out at me...
So the mouse owning something means it is bad...
I guess Avengers was the worst and the movies leading up to it were horrible... (remember Mouse owns Marvel)
Lucas showed with the prequels he truly didn't care or want to make the films. He was guilted/threatened into making them.
Personally I loved the 2009 movie, I looked at it like the reboot the franchise needed to attract new fans. Not as some blasphemous horror others have called.
JJ will be around both universes for a long time to come I think.
I wouldn't mind if JJ made more trek films. The next one looks like it has the potential to be really good. At first I hated the new film, but I gave it a second chance and watched it again and now I really like it, partially because it was the first trek film (aside from the wrath of khan) that didn't feel like a really long TV episode. I also like the fact that the film made stuff like engineering look much more functional and industrial--yeah, it may be like star wars, but it feels a bit more realistic so I don't mind.
The biggest thing I disliked about the latest film was lens flares in every single shot. It was pretty for the first 5 minutes of the film and then it got really old. And there was too many points where the action sequences felt like filler--however, the quality of the action sequences were much higher than previous trek productions in general; most of the combat in the shows seems stiff and choreographed in my opinion (although DS9 had some great space battles).
That, and Delta Vega is nowhere near Vulcan in *any* version of the star charts that I am aware of. And even if it was, you couldn't see Vulcan with the naked eye unless it were like a moon or something.
As far as star wars goes, JJ would probably be an improvement even if he adds lots of lens flares. Frankly George Lucas was a bad director. He was a great idea person but all of the movies he directed in the series were the weaker ones.
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This leads me to the conclusion that he is conceited and a egomaniac where he can't work on another person's project without completely changing it.
Even directors answer to higher-ups aka Studio folk and IP holders. Am sure JJ does what he is told versus what he wants aka has parameters to work with-in as much as artistic license allows for with regards to the former.
Considering there's a good twenty years worth of Star Trek to go over, I'm surprised JJ got as much right as he did.
He will be involved with the third one, though probably not as a director. I wonder who will direct it in his place.
This just in from imaginerynews.com:
"Sources close to the studio are not saying much at the moment.
JJ's personal rep declined to answer any and all questions regarding his not working on the next installment of the Star Trek franchise.
Though, JJ's hairstyle did confirm rumors going around Hollywood that it and JJ did part ways earlier. It was still standing stiff with "No comment" on the subject of working on a secret project for Paramount Pictures, at this time."
As far as star wars goes, JJ would probably be an improvement even if he adds lots of lens flares. Frankly George Lucas was a bad director. He was a great idea person but all of the movies he directed in the series were the weaker ones.
True.
Lucas can only rip-off some much originality.
He was also the master micro-management with his real-time rubber-stamping of everything SW related. Saw it on the extra features of "Attack of the Clowns".
I can see the Mouse taking the SW franchise to a much better place. Like the earlier versions were so adult-orientated... not. Might even see some goodies for the adults as well as the young ones.
Go, JJ, go!
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Has it been confirmed that JJ is not doing more Star Trek films? I know that he was going to do Star Wars and he could do both. As far as his Star Trek movies go, I don't have a problem with them except for the whole alternate timeline thing. It seems like he didn't like the history of Star Trek and decided to start it from the beginning. It seems like he has a problem with Vulcans since the comic book prologue of the movie has the destruction of Romulus and he destroys Vulcan in his movie. This leads me to the conclusion that he is conceited and a egomaniac where he can't work on another person's project without completely changing it.
I was thinking much the same thing, JJ must really hate the pointy ears, because both the Romulans and the Klingons had a number done on them. I have heard some point out that this is an laternate continuity, and that the original timeline still exists, but they seem to be missing that he blew up Romulus in the original timeline. So many plot threads from the show cut short without heed. No reunification, no sela, no more saber ratling between them and the federation. The romulans were one of the last interesting antagonists left in the TNG/DS9/VOY era since the Borg got beaten by Janeway, and the Dominion war ended (leaving Cardassia a wreck). To add insult to injury, now that romulans in that era have been wiped out, our last glimpse of them is Nero-who looks nothing like a romulan, and pilots a ship that looks nothing like a romulan ship. So the last romulans we see from that era aren't even romulans, and in fact seem to be based more off of the Remans from Nemesis instead of the Romulans (and their ship too).
I think JJ Abrams was trying to leave his mark on the ST universe by blowing up Vulcan (probably the alien planet in ST most outsiders would be familiar with) Ditto with Romulus. I don't think he really cared about the ramifications or how important those two planets were to ST fans, he just wanted to throw his weight around as the guy in charge of ST. Romulus and Vulcan had the misfortune to be jsut recognizable enough by their audience to get a emotional response while still playing it safe (as oppsoed to blowing up, say Earth first, and then having the heroes rush to save vulcan).
Unfortunately it has now left its mark on the canon of the franchise, so any and all material post-JJ trek has to take his silver screen dross into consideration and work it into the narrative, which is why we have a romulan empire in STO that is quite frankly, pathetic compared to its series counterpart.
Consider how Cryptic has a short-leash with what it can add to the game or not... that has to be factored in with this discussion.
Do you really think a director for a movie does not have the same controls in place to contend with?
Scripts have to be approved before they can be developed and am more than sure that issues regarding canon are not left to the director's discretion.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
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Condescending dismissal of the other fellow's reasonable queries aside, you do come off as pretty unnecessarily insulting.
I wasn't even going to comment...'til I ran across your response to him in an unrelated thread about V'ger when he wasn't even addressing you, but someone else:
So as far as public record of who's being unreasonable or not...anyway. While these attempts to just will oneself to be right tend to come off as pretty entertaining for those of us just scanning the conversation, when does this thread plan to hop back on-topic with the OP, anyway? Something about JJ Abrams and whether the next Trek will be good?
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"Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers...?"
I think there will be a third alternate-universe movie, whether JJ directs it or not. But I hope the Abramsverse ends there and we get back to prime Trek afterward. A new series would be great; there's plenty of galaxy left to explore.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
JJ being at the helm of the new-to-be-made-SW movies does not mean he's out of the running for making another ST based film.
Way too soon to suggest such a premise imo.
P.S.
Who can't wait to see lens flaring lightsabers and Han Solo with a new, J... err, hipster hair-style?
P.S.S.
Can't wait to see where everyone else has gone before in a Star Trek movie. More Kirk in a space suit! Hope he's mining his TRIBBLE off for their dilithium grind!
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Those were TV series and Star wars never made any as there were 6 of TMP 4 TNG and 1 JJ.I have't heard a thing about JJ doing stars wars movie.
They CBS will never bring Trek of the TNG era back.It is CBS not Paramount you should write to.You won't get the attention on this site as of V down there.The Head Admin wrote to Mr Redstone himself and got reply back but it is all on that V site.
We having been covering everything Trek for 11 years now.
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...and a sucky movie.
You think thats crazy? When the game launched there was a guy that was downright obsessed-nutso-crazy about trek. I can't remember his name, it was super-something or other. He spammed threads about wanting to start a real Starfleet. Real. As in he had access to spaceships. Not even joking.
I will admit that engaging him in the forums was a bit of a laugh, but in the end I started to really feel sorry for him. It was sort of obvious that outside of Star Trek and science fiction he didn't have a life. I actually exchanged a few PMs with him before I stopped my old sub...he wasn't that bad of a guy, but he did need some help, mental health wise.
Never discount the power of malice.
Or maybe we will just see Mouse-based Easter Eggs everywhere?
Am sure all the legalities were quite well-hammered out prior, though. The new films were announced with the change of IP ownership so that ball was in play for a good while prior.
Pretty solid players, IP-wise, on both sides so if there was a perceived conflict of interest on JJ's part, he would not have been named is what I am thinking.
Am truly surprised there was no ST:TV show alumni to direct the newer movies which could imply that the earlier nepotism which was, is no more. Take that, Wesley Crusher!
In an industry where trilogies are more golden than sequels, maintaining a consistency of vision as well as the artistic and cinematic feel could be considered important. Also,since we are looking at re-branding, am sure there is also a want by the IP-holders to "stay the course" more so than not.
IE: Using same director on a project until he/she works their way out of said position. There are possible risks which come with the act of throwing a new jockey onto the franchise-horse while hoping for the best... but the IP-holders really don't strike me as the gambling type. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
What do you think the Ferengi were based off of? :rolleyes:
Best way to look at JJ Trek is literally what its says it is: an alternate reality, that's why I like STO its dealing with the fall out of the Hobus nova and its aftermath, best thing JJ Trek gave us.
Also this rumour in that Spock will die in the new film. I think in a bizarre twist not yet revealed its old Spock not new Spock who will die (again)
Considering there's a good twenty years worth of Star Trek to go over, I'm surprised JJ got as much right as he did.
He will be involved with the third one, though probably not as a director. I wonder who will direct it in his place.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
So the mouse owning something means it is bad...
I guess Avengers was the worst and the movies leading up to it were horrible... (remember Mouse owns Marvel)
Lucas showed with the prequels he truly didn't care or want to make the films. He was guilted/threatened into making them.
Personally I loved the 2009 movie, I looked at it like the reboot the franchise needed to attract new fans. Not as some blasphemous horror others have called.
JJ will be around both universes for a long time to come I think.
The biggest thing I disliked about the latest film was lens flares in every single shot. It was pretty for the first 5 minutes of the film and then it got really old. And there was too many points where the action sequences felt like filler--however, the quality of the action sequences were much higher than previous trek productions in general; most of the combat in the shows seems stiff and choreographed in my opinion (although DS9 had some great space battles).
That, and Delta Vega is nowhere near Vulcan in *any* version of the star charts that I am aware of. And even if it was, you couldn't see Vulcan with the naked eye unless it were like a moon or something.
As far as star wars goes, JJ would probably be an improvement even if he adds lots of lens flares. Frankly George Lucas was a bad director. He was a great idea person but all of the movies he directed in the series were the weaker ones.
Spock dies.
We can has Zombie Spock?
Even directors answer to higher-ups aka Studio folk and IP holders. Am sure JJ does what he is told versus what he wants aka has parameters to work with-in as much as artistic license allows for with regards to the former.
This just in from imaginerynews.com:
"Sources close to the studio are not saying much at the moment.
JJ's personal rep declined to answer any and all questions regarding his not working on the next installment of the Star Trek franchise.
Though, JJ's hairstyle did confirm rumors going around Hollywood that it and JJ did part ways earlier. It was still standing stiff with "No comment" on the subject of working on a secret project for Paramount Pictures, at this time."
Looks that way to me as well.
True.
Lucas can only rip-off some much originality.
He was also the master micro-management with his real-time rubber-stamping of everything SW related. Saw it on the extra features of "Attack of the Clowns".
I can see the Mouse taking the SW franchise to a much better place. Like the earlier versions were so adult-orientated... not. Might even see some goodies for the adults as well as the young ones.
Go, JJ, go!
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I was thinking much the same thing, JJ must really hate the pointy ears, because both the Romulans and the Klingons had a number done on them. I have heard some point out that this is an laternate continuity, and that the original timeline still exists, but they seem to be missing that he blew up Romulus in the original timeline. So many plot threads from the show cut short without heed. No reunification, no sela, no more saber ratling between them and the federation. The romulans were one of the last interesting antagonists left in the TNG/DS9/VOY era since the Borg got beaten by Janeway, and the Dominion war ended (leaving Cardassia a wreck). To add insult to injury, now that romulans in that era have been wiped out, our last glimpse of them is Nero-who looks nothing like a romulan, and pilots a ship that looks nothing like a romulan ship. So the last romulans we see from that era aren't even romulans, and in fact seem to be based more off of the Remans from Nemesis instead of the Romulans (and their ship too).
I think JJ Abrams was trying to leave his mark on the ST universe by blowing up Vulcan (probably the alien planet in ST most outsiders would be familiar with) Ditto with Romulus. I don't think he really cared about the ramifications or how important those two planets were to ST fans, he just wanted to throw his weight around as the guy in charge of ST. Romulus and Vulcan had the misfortune to be jsut recognizable enough by their audience to get a emotional response while still playing it safe (as oppsoed to blowing up, say Earth first, and then having the heroes rush to save vulcan).
Unfortunately it has now left its mark on the canon of the franchise, so any and all material post-JJ trek has to take his silver screen dross into consideration and work it into the narrative, which is why we have a romulan empire in STO that is quite frankly, pathetic compared to its series counterpart.
Do you really think a director for a movie does not have the same controls in place to contend with?
Scripts have to be approved before they can be developed and am more than sure that issues regarding canon are not left to the director's discretion.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8