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natejam101
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There are people on the fleet trying to sell access to tier 5 shipyard fleet ships on ESD. I was trying to to explain to these potential buyers that it is a scam and that in fact, no fleet has quite reached Tier 5 status. Am i wrong? Well, Yes I am wrong.
I know my fleet moving quickly, very large and we are sitting at around 175K Military XP at this moment. But there is a fleet, 1st Aquarius Division that has in fact reached this pinnacle, and I was able to secure my Tier 5 Fleet Assault Cruiser thanks to them.
Enjoy!
I know my fleet moving quickly, very large and we are sitting at around 175K Military XP at this moment. But there is a fleet, 1st Aquarius Division that has in fact reached this pinnacle, and I was able to secure my Tier 5 Fleet Assault Cruiser thanks to them.
Enjoy!
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I purchased a fleet armitage last night for a very considerable sum of credits.
I even asked for references prior to doing so.
I verified they had the t5 shipyard before I ever passed the loot.
more than worth it, because the fleet armitage with danubes is a the longest lasting of any escort.
even better, when I get the modules I can go back and get the fleet excelsior.
once again, thank you 1st aquarius.
http://i.imgur.com/Q3otkNr.jpg
If you wish to acquire one, please speak to one of our fleet members, and we'll be happy to let you see that we have exactly what was pictured above. We pride the fact that we don't just expect you to give money to us without seeing the proof of our hard work. We will even invite you into the fleet to see it; you just won't be able to purchase it until you choose to commit to buying the fleet ships.
That said, I must agree with something else said in the thread: Make sure that the fleet and people you want to buy a Tier 5 Shipyard from indeed have such before exchanging any financial resources.
Last, to all the fine customers satisfied with their T5 Shipyard vessels, I thank you for defending us from slander, and for being such kind references for others interested in acquiring these ships.
Part of the first team to beat the No Win Scenario (both KDF and Fed)
It's been a long road, getting from there to here~
Fleet Excelsior is tier 3 shipyard, maybe you mean the Fleet Assault.
What is your current going rate on acquiring a fleet ship from that very fine shipyard I congratulate your fleet on achieving?
Indeed, inquiring minds want to know.
For 40m you gain unlimited access to the shipyard for all characters on the purchasing account, indefinitely.
For 25m you gain single-time access to the shipyard, if that's all you want.
Payment is accepted both in the form of EC as well as item barter with semi-liquid, high demand items. These include contraband, keys, FSMs, ship boxes, very rare mk 12 consoles, valuable DOFFs, etc.
I can be reached ingame at @atheonyirh for your purchasing needs.
So by indefinitely you mean that at any point in time from that point on we can have access to your shipyard? As in make one thing one week, and then two weeks later can get another one? That's very generous if that is indeed the case.
Part of the first team to beat the No Win Scenario (both KDF and Fed)
It's been a long road, getting from there to here~
"Buying" a T-5 ship is worse than sending someone you met on the internet an envelope full of cash through the mail and hoping they will send you the product once they receive your payment. At least if you send an envelope of cash through the mail and they never send you the product you have the recourse of the local police, federal law enforcement, and a civil lawsuit. If you get ripped off in STO, PWE will probably do absolutely nothing since they are not approving these transactions though an in-game mechanism.
These fleets will probably refer you to happy customers. Of course, you will have no way of verifying that it is not a scam.
Are these fleets legitimately selling T-5 ships? Probably, but you have no way of knowing whether you will get scammed and no recourse if you do get scammed. In my opinion, that makes it a very poor choice especially when there are so many fleets you could joint which are probably less than a month or two away from a T-5 shipyard.
But maybe you are a trusting person and you really want the ship right now. All I can do is wish you the best of luck. Cryptic provides no safe mechanism to complete the transaction.
As I have been playing this game a bit too much lately, I have billions of EC. However it took me well over a year to save up my first 10 million EC.
A lot of players (in fact, I would estimate most) probably do not even have 25 million ECs.
25 million energy credits translates to about 18 U.S. Dollars assuming that Master Keys are going at a rate of 1.4 million energy credits at the current time (like they were when I checked the exchange just a few minutes ago). And that is for just a 1-time usage of a Tier 5 Fleet Shipyard. For a lifetime usage of said fleet you are looking at closer to 30 U.S. Dollars. Now while that may not be as huge of a sum as some of you may think it to be, there are some people for whom spending 18 to 30 U.S. Dollars on something that could very easly end up being nothing more than an internet scam, is not a good practice. I would rather spend my time aiding my own fleet in getting a tier 5 shipyard (we are currently about half-way to getting our Tier 4 Shipyard) and then get the ship through my own fleet, instead of convincing my fleet to let me temporarily depart from the fleet so that I can buy a ship from a third party fleet's shipyard.
Alright, thank you for clarifying. I might just take your fleet up on that offer.
I offer you and any other prospective buyers the opportunity to meet me somewhere in game and see my T5 Fleet Ship, and the fact I am not in a T5 Fleet.
As I already stated, I too was suspicious beforehand. Two things swayed my mind:
1) I was allowed to see the Fleet Status before paying anything, and check that there were enough provisions.
2) During this period I took a look at the leaderboard and saw that the seller had a very high contribution to that fleet, numbering several millions of fleet credits. This told me that they were not some scammer but a person who is devoted to their fleet, and probably gave a good amount of time and resources into getting it to T5.
At first i was very suspicius, but curious also. I temporary joined that fleet and checked if those ships where availlable.
I am very satisfied with my Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit. And since everybody gets what they want i would happily do so again.
I absolutely hate the Galaxy class slow turnrate and its BOFF & Console layout.
a couple flaws with your logic.
A.) You state that you want to show them your tier 5 fleet vessel while not being in a tier 5 fleet. Problem is that you could have joined a Tier 5 Fleet of one of your friends, gotten the ship for an unknown sum of money (heck it could have been for free) and then left the fleet of your own accord.
Alternatively, you could have previously been a member in good standing of a fleet with a tier 5 shipyard (one of the first to get them), gotten your tier 5 ship, subsequently left the fleet for an undisclosed reason (any reason will do), and ended up in a random fleet that has not got a tier 5 shipyard.
B.) Just because you weren't scammed by whatever fleet you got your tier 5 fleet ship from, does not mean that someone else won't be scammed by someone else's fleet. Scams happen all the time.
C.) Technically funds given to pay for a fleet ship during such a transaction should not go to an individual member of that fleet, but rather to the fleet bank. As the resources to get the Fleet to Tier 5 belong to the entire fleet... not just one individual. Granted one individual may contribute more to the fleet than another individual. But ultimately it is because of the entire fleet that the fleet was able to get to tier 5, not because of one individual or another. Thus the money made by selling Tier 5 ships should be communal, not individualistic.
Well, on the other end of the spectrum, accept an invite to my current fleet and see that I have made large contributions to it. Ask whatever members you find about what date I joined, it would be a point way before T5 ships other than the Ody even existed.
Okay, at the risk of getting in trouble for naming things, I purchased my ship from 1st Aquarius Division. I have no reason to be friends, in your sense of the word, with any of its members, and I have never contributed to it (check their leaderboard). Logic says that why the hell would they give me a T5 ship for free.
The reason I described the seller's large contribution was because that implied (to me) that the seller would be making full use of the fee to further the fleet projects, and not for personal gain. Since mutliple members of that fleet are advertising, it is clear this is an organized sale, and not some greedy member with promotion rights.
Anyway, I feel I am going too far with this defence, I am not going to blame people for being hesitant, but sometimes you have to find a little trust.
Part of the first team to beat the No Win Scenario (both KDF and Fed)
It's been a long road, getting from there to here~
Agreed... I don't need my Imperial-class Fleet Assault Cruiser right now, and I don't have the resources on hand to buy access to it. I'm content to wait until my fleet finishes grinding through its holdings to get that 4th tactical console and the 10% bump to hull and shields.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
I have no reason to believe the offer is not legitimate. However, the fact that you have a T-5 ship and you claim that the fleet you bought it from is a legitimate seller does not prove that they will not take my energy credits and then not provide me with the service they promise. Given the number of fleets that are going to reach T-5 soon and will likely provide the shipyard as a service to all their active members I do not think it is a risk worth taking.
However, you decided to go ahead and fork over the credits despite the risk and you seem to be happy with the result. That was your choice to make and I am glad it worked out well for you.
I'll admit I'm kind of confused. Are you just sitting here saying that its nice that the offer is legitimate, but despite this it might NOT be legitimate, so clearly it should be treated as illegitimate and that no one should take them up on it? I really don't get your point here. We have plenty of satisfied customers and every single reply to them seems to be "its nice they're legitimate and you got what you wanted but what if you hadn't?".
I don't get it.
The transaction is insecure, thus there will always be a risk of you paying money, not receiving the product, and having little or no recourse. There is absolutely no way for a fleet to "prove" that they will not take your money and refuse to hand over the ship before the money is transferred.
I am happy that this did not happen to you and that there are no reports of T-5 shipyard scams at the moment, but with many fleets' T-5 shipyards likely to come on line within the next few weeks, I do not believe that the potential reward is worth the potential risk. Obviously that is a decision that people have to make for themselves. I suggest they carefully weigh the potential liabilities against the benefits.