test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
No idea why people are so enthusiastic about the Ambassador?
avarseir
Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Its uglier than both the Galaxy and Excelsior, its an old design and looked like a crude version of the Galaxy..
Morever, dev blogs mentioned temporal tampering by Tholians.. so its not a new ship with new systems like the NX replica. Its an actual mid 24th century ship, hence its worse in terms of technology vs Galaxy.
Therefore, I really don't understand why people are so enthusiastic about this ship. Apart from what the ship represents (The last of the mighty "Enterprise" to feature in the game and its contributions in the battle of Narendra III), the ship is nothing but a relic.
Maybe the enthusiasm really centers around what the ship "represents" rather than the actual ship which people would use to replace their Oddy, Regents, Fleet ships, etc.
Morever, dev blogs mentioned temporal tampering by Tholians.. so its not a new ship with new systems like the NX replica. Its an actual mid 24th century ship, hence its worse in terms of technology vs Galaxy.
Therefore, I really don't understand why people are so enthusiastic about this ship. Apart from what the ship represents (The last of the mighty "Enterprise" to feature in the game and its contributions in the battle of Narendra III), the ship is nothing but a relic.
Maybe the enthusiasm really centers around what the ship "represents" rather than the actual ship which people would use to replace their Oddy, Regents, Fleet ships, etc.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Post edited by avarseir on
0
Comments
- Collectors
- An Enterprise Variant
- Something New
-Science like cruiser
- Fans of the varient
- Other*
While you're free to feel exactly as you do, this part right here represents nothing more than your opinion. You feel it is ugly and crude, I disagree. I find it to be a sturdy, powerful design that exudes grace and presence. So this alone doesn't actually present an objective reason as to why one may like or dislike the ship.
Yet my Mk XII weapons and shields will go right on it without issue. The hull strength is certainly decent, and makes it a fairly solid cruiser. So this, too, doesn't detract from why someone may like the Ambassador class.
Also, as a side note, there is a Tier 5 Ambassador Class Retrofit, so yes, the ship has been updated.
Just like the Galaxy class, a 60 year old vessel. The Excelsior class, a 100+ year old vessel. The Constitution class, a 150 year old vessel. All very popular, very much loved ships in this game. So far, you haven't presented a reason other than you find the ship ugly, which is purely a subjective reason.
While I cannot speak for others, I love the ship because I fell in love with it's design and purpose when I first saw it on the initial airing of Yesterday's Enterprise. For some reason, the ship spoke to me and while I love the Galaxy class, and I love the Excelsior class, my heart has always held room for the Ambassador class, so when the folks at STO said we were getting one, and that it would be a Tier V, I was beyond thrilled. I have been waiting for this ship for a long time, and I will finally have it, and I won't even have to pay $20 for it.
So for me, this is wonderful news. I understand if you don't feel the same way, but try to understand why some of us are looking forward to it's arrival.
Then again, I loved the Fuzzyprise and eagerly await my change to get a New Orleans-class, so I can understand the attachment people can have to weird things.
I Support Disco | Disco is Love | Disco is Life
1) That's your opinion, not everyone will share it. there is no right and wrong when it comes to aesthetics
2) they mentioned on twitter that yes it is a 25th century ship. you get given the ship by starfleet, you dont find it during the mission.
True, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But whenever I look at Ambassador class, I look at the ST production team trying to come up with a ship-in-between Constitution and the Galaxy.
You'd be lying to yourself if you say that the ship wasn't designed as a ship-in-between to show the fans that "continuity" in Enterprise evolution: It had the Galaxy saucer, Excelsior neck, Connie deflectors, Galaxy pylons and nacelles. Nothing really original and the ship parts seemed to be forced to blend together rather and not having a design "unity" (Alex White, author of The Element of Graphic Design: No individual part is viewed as more important than the whole design).
It wasn't a ship that's designed purely to capture the essence and uniqueness of the class. This is unlike the NX-01; Connie; Excelsior; Galaxy; Sovvy; Oddy, they're all designed specifically for its class and their ship parts are designed to support the overall consistent design language.
I understand what the ship "represents" and I have nothing but utmost respect for the ship. I'm happy to see it in game too.
But I still think its an ugly ship.
I simply saw it as trying to make a new ship while keeping what works. Much like how guns, fighter planes, ect. work. Then from the Ambassador to the Galaxy. It looks similar and yet still different using what worked from it's predecessor.
Oh, I certainly agree it was a "fill in the blanks" kind of ship, I just think they did a terrific job with it. I also respect your reasons for disliking it. I know she's not going to appeal to everyone. I'm just happy that I get to see it coming to light. I remember one of the first polls after STO was released was asking what ship we wanted next. Ambassador was way, way, down on the list, and I figured it would never happen. That it has is what makes me happy. I do hope that a ship you desire will become reality in-game. This is our little fantasy world, and I like to think we all get a fair shake.
Sure, like I said: Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. So there's nothing wrong to like a ship too
Too bad we can't get the original designer of the Ambassador to comment on how he designed the ship and how he got the design inspiration. But from the end product, the Ambassador class is like a patchwork strewn together from different parts and forced to blend together.
Is this close enough?
http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/enterprise-c-pictorial-deluxe/
Thank you! The above kind of confirms my suspicion about the design: A time constrained design forced to be a ship-in-between Galaxy and Excelsior. Moreover, they took a shortcut and simplified the design because "the model can't be made in time".
Andrew Probert's sketch was well thought out, too bad that version didn't make the screens or I'd say Ambassador looks sweet.
So, our canon ambassador class design is nothing more than a time-constrained, ship-in-between and can't make the model in time design.
To say the ship is too old ect. Just a lazy excuse. Look at the Excelsior refit, that is way older. To me I'm glad they are offering ships of old and new to play with. That way you can have your own looks and play with your favorite ships. Instead of seeing all of us with the same ship at lv50. I been on a MMO like that. We all shared the last tier gear looks. All the warriors, mages, etc looked the same. With nothing to make it your own. Until enough complained about it, and they finally changed that. Guess what that room where you made outfit changes was full for days after they opened. Even myself was in there.
It all goes to what we love and that what makes us unique. I will be making good use out of the Ambassador Ship.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Yet she is a thing of beauty, perfection within the starship line up. Asthetics is something that belongs solely to the individual's interpretation.
You may not like a Ham sandwich, yet others do.
Same when it comes down to Star Trek Series:
For me TOS was the best of them all followed by DS9 & TNG - while I interpret the worst of the Star Trek series as Voyager & Enterprise.
Yet many would passionately argue differently, thats what makes us great as individuals.
The Ambassador is the missing link of the line, the forgotten one, which gives it a special mystique about her.
Superior to teh Excelsior and only slightly inferior to the Galaxy class (Which I find the Galaxy a horrid design) Thats why I did not like TNG so much, the ship looked like a flying squid with light bright pegs all around her.
Yet though I've disdain the Galaxy Class, I respect the folks who love her design - because I know my hatred for the Galaxy is my opinion, my taste, my sense of asthetics.
The thing I love about the Ambassador is that she has a bit of the old school style blended in well with a bit of the new - Nothing over the top, nothing too special, just right - like an old favorite baseball glove - she fits and sets in well.
A toast to the forgotten Ambassador - May she set her symbolic sails & fly again with her banner.
MIM
But I think it's ace they are handing out free ships like this one and I am sure a lot of people will love it.
hope there is also an accolade to gain from this event!
have fun!
Why not just use the Oddy then? It's superior to this thing in every way.
And I'm pretty sure that most FED/50s are "ambassadors"... its not a hard title to earn.
I agree with you that looks are subjective. TBH I think that all cruisers should be able to use all of a player's unlocked cruiser skins (so that you could use the Ambassador skin, if you really like it, with a set of stats that don't suck, like a fleet excel or the oddy).
My problem is that the 3 free ships they have given out recently are these:
1000-day vet
Winter
3-year anniv
Of these 3, only the breen winter ship can compete with fleet ships or with lockbox ships. The other 2 are objectively and statistically underpowered. Alot of the disappointment about the ambassador is that using it is a downgrade (stat-wise... regardless of it's "presence") for many players. It just takes up a ship slot in our hangar.
For those of us that have actually been playing for the whole 3 years, the ambassador is really just a hangar bay-filler that will make us less competitive in PVP or eSTFs or whatever we like to do.
It's also an iconic ship seen in a great TNG episode, and the first Starfleet ship with a female captain and it may be important for some women here.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I've been playing for the whole three years. I have 30+ characters and don't want them all flying the same ships. Since I don't PvP or do STFs, my slightly underpowered ships do just fine for the episode and Foundry content, which is what I enjoy the most.
Not all of us are min-maxers or have to have the statistically best gear.
NOPE.
Erika Hernandez, Captain of the NX-02 Columbia.
WE... need MORE... ellipsis abuse on the... internet.
^ You have won the internet, everyone can go home
Anyway - expect purists to challenge you on that statement.
I totally agree with the OP. I know I might be on the minority and just stating my opinion...then again lots of people liked at one time the FED Dreadnought Cruiser and some of us even shelled out 2000 Zen for it and found out it was a crappy ship with a design of old upside down vaccum that moved like a snail in space...to each it's own...what might be third world a## ugly to some...might be beauty to others
Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder
Nope, that's technically correct. Erika Hernandez doesn't count if you're talking about the first female Captain in the Federation since that wasn't formed yet, but Starfleet definitely did.
I agree that the stat's aren't all that great, but honestly I could do worse. To each his own I suppose.
I take it you don't remember the Oddy last year.
Expecting this ship to be of fleet ship strength and power is, frankly, pretty insane.
The anniversary ships are released for free to the players, then re-released in the c-store some months later with another console slot, a unique console and maybe an altered boff station.
That's how it is, that should have been what you were expecting!
Kirk's Protege.