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oldkhemaraa
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Tier-3
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Commander
Availability: Mission Reward
Hull Strength: 24,000
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Crew: 700
Weapons: 4 Fore, 2 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Ensign Science
Console Modifications: 1 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 1 Science
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
Cloaking Device
Tier-5
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Brigadier General
Availability: Mission Reward (Limited Time)
Hull Strength: 35,000
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Crew: 700
Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Ensign Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
Cloaking Device.
So, seeing this is now "Canon" obviously the empire was hard pressed to upgrade the basic utility of the K't'inga class battle cruiser (which in the recently introduced "Fleet retrofit" is a very powerfull unit) we see a ship that is definatly transitional from the ships of the empires late 2200's to the present. Definatly more of a basic cruiser build more along the line of the Federations cruisers. I expect there will be a fleet version of both this and the Koro't'inga in the near future. Both would be much more potent ships that fit at the upper end of a more combat oriented battle cruiser hull that has an emphisis on manuverability. perhapes a better placement would be where the Kamarag class fits in the shift from the "Battlecruiser" of the K't'inga to the Strikecruiser type of ship such as the Vor'cha. The Koro't'inga is still definatly a Battlecruiser, while the Kamarag fits into the strike cruiser defination just below the Vor'cha. More durability then manuverability.
Thoughts?
Khemaraa sends.
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Commander
Availability: Mission Reward
Hull Strength: 24,000
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Crew: 700
Weapons: 4 Fore, 2 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Ensign Science
Console Modifications: 1 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 1 Science
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
Cloaking Device
Tier-5
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Brigadier General
Availability: Mission Reward (Limited Time)
Hull Strength: 35,000
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Crew: 700
Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Ensign Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
Cloaking Device.
So, seeing this is now "Canon" obviously the empire was hard pressed to upgrade the basic utility of the K't'inga class battle cruiser (which in the recently introduced "Fleet retrofit" is a very powerfull unit) we see a ship that is definatly transitional from the ships of the empires late 2200's to the present. Definatly more of a basic cruiser build more along the line of the Federations cruisers. I expect there will be a fleet version of both this and the Koro't'inga in the near future. Both would be much more potent ships that fit at the upper end of a more combat oriented battle cruiser hull that has an emphisis on manuverability. perhapes a better placement would be where the Kamarag class fits in the shift from the "Battlecruiser" of the K't'inga to the Strikecruiser type of ship such as the Vor'cha. The Koro't'inga is still definatly a Battlecruiser, while the Kamarag fits into the strike cruiser defination just below the Vor'cha. More durability then manuverability.
Thoughts?
Khemaraa sends.
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Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I've been using the Vor'cha or the Negh as my tanking ships so the LCDR sci boff will be a nice addition. I'd have made a few changes personally, but I think I'm going to enjoy this ship.
During last years anniversary event I only had one KDF so I only have the one Bortas, which I love. This year at least I can try out all three "classes" on the new ship and see which I like the best...though I can say i'll be the Engi lol.
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All cloaks should be canon.
Think so? I see potential just shy of the Fleet Vorcha (minus the 10% bonuses of being 'fleet' of course). Set it up an Aux2Bat + 3 technicians and get the lone cannon skill up half the time. Still have room for EPTS tankiness, plus RSP, plus DEM or high-level Aux2SIF. Then there are the options created by the LtCmdr Science slot. Only real shortcoming compared to the Fleet Vorcha is that you can't put APO on it. Its not OMFG THIS SO BROKEN or anything, but there's potential.
All I see in your post is tank, heal, draw fire, and beams. Typical cruiser- no battle.
At least with all those weapon hardpoints she'll make a good storage locker for my 'spares' in the bank.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
There's plenty of Battle in it. DEM3 is much more powerful than you think
It's basically a sci.-oriented cruiser, but it has teeth. With the turn rate it has, the cloak and my guess that it will probably be able to mount dual cannons + the Lt.Cmdr Sci. will make one nasty bird to fly.
I look forward to it
Tank and heal certainly. I was thinking more DHC + CRF1 though.
we'll see if the c-store version is better as DEM2 on my fed doesn't do anything for me c'ept make me want boarding parties even more. None of my KDF toons use it as CRF is king.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
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Enemy of the Exile Series (4 Part Series)
Task Force Ja'Dok Series (3 Part Series)
I also.. Admittadly there is no mention if it can carry dual cannon's or not.. the assumption of course is that it can.
We may have possibly gotten the better ship looking at the Ambi's stats. Not to shabby of a transitional ship between what I'm starting to call true battle cruisers, and the heavier strike cruiser classification. Just have to see tomorrow. I'm hoping I can use it for a skin for my fleet K't'inga..really really hoping...
Well.... it is a Battlecruiser after all :P
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I heard this the other day someone saying dem doesn't work with crf
I activate APAIII with demIII and CRF shield facings drops an stuff just pops even in pvp seemed to increase my damage in Arenas and cap'n hold by a large margin
I know it's off topic and sorry
Back on topic
The ship looks good to me might suit my sci intreguing
Any speculation on what we have to do to get it yet
Something like go to a waste of space imaginary land that doesn't fit into sto run around a racecourse for 25 days to finally get a ship I hope not I hated q and his little place with people saying "ill sell you 10 sleigh bells for 400million EC"
The KDF version is a jewel compared to the Ambassador, IMO, but still kinda meh.
I didn't expect much out of 50 year old ships, and I wasn't disapointed.
Edit: And why wouldn't you run BOTH CRF and DEM? To say one is better then the other... sure mathmatically that is true... but the joy is both combined...
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We already have a retrofit of the Kor't'inga
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7585/fleetktinga.jpg
it's a skin for the Fleet K't'inga.
On the other hand, the Ambassador is an Assault Cruiser with -100 Crew, +500 Hull, and the LCdr Eng switched with the Lt Sci.
Perhaps it would help to look at the stats of the Vor'cha Retrofit vs. the Assault Cruiser first:
-3000 Hull
+700 Crew
-1 Device
+3 Turn
+5 Weapon Power
+5 Engine Power
-5 Shield Power
-5 Auxiliary Power
+Cloak
+Dual Cannons
Then the stats of the Kamarag vs. the Ambassador:
-4500 Hull
-1 Device
+3.5 Turn
+5 Weapon Power
+5 Engine Power
-5 Shield Power
-5 Auxiliary Power
+Cloak
+Dual Cannons
Is it me or does that just feel off?
Damage is the fastest way to tear apart enemies in STO, that no one can deny. However, when your objective is to hold the line, or simply draw fire off another member doing something else... suddenly damage becomes useless :P
Cruisers and Battlecruisers have their role: take damage while dealing it in return, and they do it well. They're not fast killers, but that was never the point.
And on this thread's topic, I'm still working on my opinion of the stats, but I'm glad the KDF have another ship in their lineup
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Wow did you just roll in from the federation
The fleet torkhat is a beast can take on any 4 console raptor dps wise
The voquv with ABOPS can out dps any raptor or bop in pve
The karfi battle carrier can do anything an escort can and sometimes better
Think before you speak jean luc
The Friday screenshot gave me a certain impression of what the ship looked like.
The blog changed that somewhat.
The video massively changed that.
On my Tac, well - while I'll pick it up, I'm more than happy currently dorking around back and forth between her Mirror Qin and Mirror Vo'quv (yes, I know - but it's funny at times).
My Eng though, well - he went Negh'Var to Mirror Vor'cha and I enjoyed that. Dabbled around with the Chel Grett, but I went back to the Mirror Vor'cha. The Kamarag, for the way I play the Mirror Vor'cha - well, for the most part it's a no brainer to take it for me. Switching the LCdr Eng for the Lt Sci while adding the En Tac for dropping the En Sci... well, yeah - that's just going to work much better for me. Heck, I'd say the same thing if I had the Vor'cha Retrofit and was looking at the Kamarag where it was just trading the LCdr Eng for the Lt Sci. I'll get more out of a LCdr Sci ability than a second LCdr Eng ability.
My only concern is the loss of crew and hull. It being the older ship, I could see the loss of crew and hull compared to the newer Vor'cha (though, the Ambassador actually got a bump over the Sovereign...hrmmm).
Crew might end up toast to Theta in PvP, but the Borg don't drop Theta. I think the cut in crew and hull is a bit steep when balanced against a +0.5 Turn....
While I appreciate your enthusiasm about the vo quv,, cause I have one, I disagree that it can out dps a high tier escort with dhcs....adv bops dont have crf. Or spread, or a brain. The torkhat is small, nimble and mounts dhcs, so it basicly a heavy escort, there is not a chance in hades a bort or any other cruiser, fed or klink is out dpsing an escort, and unfortunately thats all pve is about, timers and killing fast and efficiently
stupid phone, meant to quote this. and by the way i have thought before i speak, and frankly who are you to tell me what my opinion can be. Fact remains this isnt even a thought, it comes from hundreds of elite stfs worth of experience