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shagnastie
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?GBP130/$204/151euro Worth of dominion lock box's opened and not even 1 jam hadar ship
I demand an explanation that is just ridiculous I know people who have opened 20 box's and got 2....
Just to give you an idea how many box's ive actually opened...
I currently have over 160 rich dilithium vain tickets...
Im not happy $204 is more than a years subscription to world of ******** also 2 thirds of a lifetime subscription to star trek online WTF...
(Also why are the forums incapable of showing the british pound symbol...)
I demand an explanation that is just ridiculous I know people who have opened 20 box's and got 2....
Just to give you an idea how many box's ive actually opened...
I currently have over 160 rich dilithium vain tickets...
Im not happy $204 is more than a years subscription to world of ******** also 2 thirds of a lifetime subscription to star trek online WTF...
(Also why are the forums incapable of showing the british pound symbol...)
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Not sure how many Lobi you have by now, but if it's almost 800, you can just buy the Dreadnaught Carrier.
You should have sold those keys on the exchange for EC then just bought the ship from the exchange.
Thanks for the reply Corgatag I have 780 Lobi crystals and 4 keys left if I get to 800 Ill buy a dreadnaught but im not buying any more keys without a good explanation from sto as to why I havent got one
Surely u must agree with me that somethign isent right here?
I dont mind spending the money if ide gotten one
My point is with that amount of money spent and that amount of lock box's opened I should have deffinetly got at least 1 drop
I really dont think what im saying is unreasonable.
/shrug That's gambling for ya.
In terms of getting a string of bad luck, I sympathize, but it's a real part of almost all games.
In terms of advertising, it would be nice if Cryptic actually posted probabilities, but they are not legally bound to do so and it's not in their business interests to do so. Also, users would still be unhappy because the math is a bit tricky.
Suppose the probability of getting a lockbox ship was announced to be 0.5% (1/200). Most people would just turn that upside down and assume that they only needed to spend $200 to get one. However, in actuality, there is a whopping 37% (.995^200) chance you will get 0 ships for that $200.
I think, in the end, the fact that you can just buy ships for Lobi was a decent answer. There is an upper bound of $360 you'd have to spend to get a Dreadnaught Carrier (less if there is a Zen/Key sale).
In either case, I'm also risk averse, so I will always choose the EC route.
Agreed risk is a factor when gaming and hoping for drops
But when your talking about spending that amount of money and not getting is just greedy on there part it shouldent be possible to spend that amount and not get one
It should be capped or somthing say the max u can open without getting at least 1 of ALL rewards is $80 worth or somthing
Im heavily pi**ed off about this and I honestly cant see me buying another key or anything from the store ever again
Its not the money now its the fact im disgusted that they would allow this to happen
my opinion of the company has just hit rock bottom if im honest.
So yeah, it was a known fact that Cryptic wouldn't be posting the odds. A rough estimate is at the STOWiki, but it's a rough estimate only.
ROLL TIDE ROLL
dude, I hate it when people assume that they are entitled to get the grand prize from a lock box based purely on the number of lock boxes that they have opened. Seriously, you underestimate the sheer probability involved in the random number generator.
You cited people who have opened 20 Dominion Lock Boxes and gotten the Jem'hadar Heavy Escort Carrier... well I have opened a grand total of FOUR dominion lock boxes in my entire time playing and I got the ship on my third box in. You appear to have opened significantly more than the average number would indicate, but that is par for the course when a Digital Random Number Generator is involved.
Each box opened has a random percentile chance of probably around 1 to 5% to give you the ship in question. Each box opened rolls that percentile chance independently of all other boxes. So if all of the boxes you opened missed that 1 to 5% chance at having a ship in it, then you won't get a ship no matter how many boxes you open.
Same holds true if you somehow miraculously roll the 1 to 5% chance on the very first box that you open. Digital Random Number Generators that are programed properly come the closest to being perfectly random that people can actually get in this world without invoking Cthulu himself.
And you find the fact that someone can almost spend the cost of a lifetime membership opening box's and not get 1 purple acceptable...
Gimme a break dude thats profiteering on cryptics part it should be capped at a certain number before it has to drop a purple for you (especially when they dont offer the option of simply buying it from c store. you have to take a chance at getting one)
if you think the above is fine or par for the course and acceptable I have no desire to speak with you further.
I couldent care less what the odds are and im not saying that you should ever hit that 1-5% 0.2% watever
Im saying that when its a GAME! and you have to pay to gamble for a particular item
It should be capped at a certain amount spent before it gives u the drop regardless
dont forget this is for an in game item and u have to pay for a roll of the dice its not like your gambeling to get your money back or make money
some of you are looking at this totaly wrong wake up!
I really do.
But the fact is , the lockboxes run off a random number generator.
Random.
You could open a thousand boxes and never see a ship.
I am sorry that this happened to you. This exact same thread (more or less) has popped up with every lockbox, because this is how the lockboxes work. Randomly.
Most of us at this point have learned that simply selling the damned keys gets you the prize you want faster. That's because we've seen what has happened to you happen time and again.
Again, sorry this happened to you, but telling us to wake up. Man, we woke up 3 lockboxes ago, welcome to the party.
This is the part you might not be putting together. You don't have to take the chance. You choose to. You have opened how many boxes ? I'm guessing close to 150, so I'm going to say 150.
150 Keys * 1.35Million EC each(Avg going rate) = 202,500,000 ec. That's more than enough to afford the ship you were looking for and a full set of awesome new shiny phasey polorons , or whatever else it was you wanted from the lockbox.
It's mostly all there.
On the exchange.
The probability of getting the big prize is very low. I haven't seen a study of this lockbox yet. But if past box probability distributions are the same, the chance of getting a ship is 1 in 200 or 0.5%. Imagine flipping a coin 8 times in a row, and the coin coming up heads ever time (heads 8 time on a row). The odds of getting your ship is slightly better (0.5% vs 0.39%).
Am I right or did I miss something?
ROLL TIDE ROLL
Keep in mind that each lock box you open is a unique item in the games code separate from each and every other lock box that you open. Thus each time you open a lock box a new copy of the lock box program runs to determine what the contents of that individual lock box are. These individual instances of the lock box program are not tied to each other, thus it is impossible for the coding of the game to figure out that you have opened X number of lock boxes and thus are for some unseen reason supposed to be guaranteed a ship. There is a reason that this is called a random number generator, and that reason is because despite all the odds, someone is going to have the bad luck to pull all the wrong numbers and not get the grand prize even after spending more money than a lifetime subscription is worth.
The only reason I am opening lock boxes is because I want the Lobi Crystals at the moment. Not because of the stupid prize ship inside the lock boxes. That and because there are some other good items in the Ferengi Lock Boxes that I would like to get my hands on as well aside from just the Galor class, but getting a Galor Class would be nice non the less. But most of the boxes I am opening are the more recent ones that drop Lobi Crystals, and that is because there are some items in the Lobi Store I desperately want.
I fail to see how this is PWE's fault.
The explanation is common sense... You spent $200.00 on a "chance". In the USA we call this an illness and have hotlines for people to call.
And instead of buying a guaranteed lifetime sub, or a years sub to WOW, you take that money and instead gamble it away in a virtual environment knowing there was only a 0.02% chance to get a ship.
You don't get to gamble $X and then demand the same results as making a purchase with $X. That's not how it works.
If I put a hundred dollars worth of quarters in a slot machine, and didn't win, I can't march up to the casino manager's office and demand a jackpot, it just doesn't work that way (and that's probably liable to get you whacked).
Sorry you didn't win.
You spent $200 and got nothing? LOL ! and you are upset, that is rich. Well, you know the old saying: " A fool and his money will play Cryptic's games."
...and, I am still sitting on 3,000 zen.
You didn't fail to obtain one ship. You failed to see the other possibilities, which could have come out of spending $200 on zen.
or... he could have spent $15.95 on this book http://www.amazon.com/Gambling-Addiction-Problem-Pain-Recovery/dp/1569553424
oh and before you all start...yeah yeah yeah "not gambling" . If you say so.
then maybe pick up this for $23.18 http://www.amazon.com/Scammed-Better-Service-Schemes-Swindles/dp/1118108000/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359643281&sr=1-2-fkmr1&keywords=how+not+to+get+scammed
if he had bought these he would still have $160 in his pocket.
Well, you know Cryptic's slogan "There is a su- er, player born every minute!"
First of all the mob hasent run casinos in decades so there is no getting whacked.
Second if you fill a slot machine its guaranteed to pay its top prizes as it can only hold so much
Next.
Wow look at that someone who actually talks sense.
ok then pick your generic gambling game of choice, I was going to say lottery, but I decided slots would be a more visual metaphor, my point is you lost, it sucks, but you can't go and demand the prize just because you wasted all your money trying to win it.
How about this, you know those prize grabber games they have at supermarkets, no matter how much your kid is screaming at you to get the spongebob doll, you aren't guaranteed that you can get it, and you can't go to the manager and demand he open the machine and get the doll for you just because you put all your quarters in it.