Something just occurred to me: Did the Galaxy-class Enterprise ever go into Spacedock? I don't recall ever seeing spacedock in the next generation. I remember it was in scaffolding, but not the spacedock that we saw in the Kirk movies.
Honestly, based on the .jpg and the clip - given the perspective (and you even have Bug ships flying through the video shot) -- there's no real hard evidence on screen that the Jem Dreadnought is. Just because you liked what you read from some non-canon (unless they displayed the specs in the shows) stat sheet - it doesn't make it correct.
Personally, I feel the size is "correct" more or less. The problem with scale is that escorts are too damn big in STO. I base this off the fact that the JHAS hangars match the size of my JHAS, and they look huge next to the dreadnaught as do other escorts. It must be due to some issues with the engine or whatever and they need to be bigger. I don't know.
This gif shows the true size of a JHAS next to a dreadnaught as best as we can tell. They are considerably larger in STO.
Also, look at what taco said about ESD. Then, if you have a dreadnaught, plant it next to ESD to get a feel for how huge it is. This is why I feel the scale of the dread is right on target, but escorts are not. They are far bigger than they should be for some reason, and ultimately why players feel cruisers and up are out of scale whack when they're really not, it's the escorts that should really be the size of all those hangar fighters in the game.
I'm sure the escorts "are in scale with each other" but they aren't with bigger ships.
The outside is not really relevant, as I mentioned it was made for ST:3 and doors were just big enough for the Enterprise.
Then TNG come and they used it again, just used a smaller model of the Enterprise-D so it could fit the doors.
Actually, the scene where the Ent D enters spacedock is the exact scene from ST3 with an image of the Ent D model scaled to cover the original Ent on screen.
In other words, they didn't film a new scene for TNG, they edited the ST3 scene.
Actually, the scene where the Ent D enters spacedock is the exact scene from ST3 with an image of the Ent D model scaled to cover the original Ent on screen.
In other words, they didn't film a new scene for TNG, they edited the ST3 scene.
Yep. And the windows on the starbase are the same size, so the starbase is the same size, and the Enterprise is just smaller for that scene for dramatic reasons. Which are no more compelling than gaming reasons. That is to say, gaming reasons are equally compelling, in a game.
The game will never have every ship the exact right size compared to each other, on purpose, and for very good reasons.
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The episode in TNG season 1 with the Byrans in had Ent-D in ESD. The bryans steal the 1701D due to the ship having the largest computer core so they can download there planets Main Computer into it.
It was the Bynars, and that was Starbase 74 in orbit of Tarsas III, not ESD.
From the moment the ESD model appeared in STO, it was always my assumption this space station was scaled to that of Starbase 74. Think of it simply as ESD MK II. Starfleet simply moved the old one (as seen in ST3) out further into Sol system somewhere. That premise would go far for answering specific concerns regarding what can and can't fit through those doors.
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The game will never have every ship the exact right size compared to each other, on purpose, and for very good reasons.
Personally, I believe making it look good and give the proper feel in the game is more important than any canon. The TV show, especially, cut all sorts of corners, re-using models in completely contradictory ways. Since we're getting the Ambassador class shortly, a perfect example is that very episode. The Enterprise is accosted by a trio of ships using the B'rel Bird of Prey model, except that they're huge and referred to as K'vort Battlecruisers. Obviously, they'd expended their budget building the Enterprise-C, so grabbed the only TNG Klingon ship physical model they had at the time, which was the bird of prey from the 3rd and 4th movies.
Should that budget-constrained choice be the "canon", or wouldn't it be more appropriate to gloss over what was shown on the screen and think of the writer's intent: Big battlecruisers, not birds of prey?
The Jemmy Dreadnaught is huge in game. I haven't done a direct comparison, but it looks bigger than the Vo'quv, which, I think, makes it the biggest playable ship in the game. I think that's enough. They don't need to go overboard because one effects shot in one episode made it look the size of a space station or someone putting together some ST tech manual scribbled down an absurd number.
It needs to look right in the game. If they went much bigger, the Dreadnaught would look wrong.
From the moment the ESD model appeared in STO, it was always my assumption this space station was scaled to that of Starbase 74. Think of it simply as ESD MK II. Starfleet simply moved the old one (as seen in ST3) out further into Sol system somewhere. That premise would go far for answering specific concerns regarding what can and can't fit through those doors.
I liked the old ESD. It actually looked like it had been built as an add-on to the movie ESD.
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Here's a youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ea07hOmsE
It's not Earth Space Dock but Starbase 74.
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So it's the spacedock model, but not actually spacedock over earth, so Starbase 74 is bigger than earth spacedock, and everything just works out.
Personally, I feel the size is "correct" more or less. The problem with scale is that escorts are too damn big in STO. I base this off the fact that the JHAS hangars match the size of my JHAS, and they look huge next to the dreadnaught as do other escorts. It must be due to some issues with the engine or whatever and they need to be bigger. I don't know.
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This gif shows the true size of a JHAS next to a dreadnaught as best as we can tell. They are considerably larger in STO.
Also, look at what taco said about ESD. Then, if you have a dreadnaught, plant it next to ESD to get a feel for how huge it is. This is why I feel the scale of the dread is right on target, but escorts are not. They are far bigger than they should be for some reason, and ultimately why players feel cruisers and up are out of scale whack when they're really not, it's the escorts that should really be the size of all those hangar fighters in the game.
I'm sure the escorts "are in scale with each other" but they aren't with bigger ships.
Actually, the scene where the Ent D enters spacedock is the exact scene from ST3 with an image of the Ent D model scaled to cover the original Ent on screen.
In other words, they didn't film a new scene for TNG, they edited the ST3 scene.
Yep. And the windows on the starbase are the same size, so the starbase is the same size, and the Enterprise is just smaller for that scene for dramatic reasons. Which are no more compelling than gaming reasons. That is to say, gaming reasons are equally compelling, in a game.
The game will never have every ship the exact right size compared to each other, on purpose, and for very good reasons.
It was the Bynars, and that was Starbase 74 in orbit of Tarsas III, not ESD.
Should that budget-constrained choice be the "canon", or wouldn't it be more appropriate to gloss over what was shown on the screen and think of the writer's intent: Big battlecruisers, not birds of prey?
The Jemmy Dreadnaught is huge in game. I haven't done a direct comparison, but it looks bigger than the Vo'quv, which, I think, makes it the biggest playable ship in the game. I think that's enough. They don't need to go overboard because one effects shot in one episode made it look the size of a space station or someone putting together some ST tech manual scribbled down an absurd number.
It needs to look right in the game. If they went much bigger, the Dreadnaught would look wrong.
I liked the old ESD. It actually looked like it had been built as an add-on to the movie ESD.