KDF has already been stripped of a lot that was specific to it.
What has been taken away from you exactly? What did the KDF have that they no longer have? You should be annoyed that Cryptic is dragging their feet on making a proper faction of them, not pissing on the feet of other players out of spite.
If you want to roll a Gorn, then make a KDF character.
How hard is it? Good lord. It's right there and a cinch to level up as well.
Indeed I have a KDF Gorn, but only just started playing him recently so that I can start making KDF foundry missions because I do agree they need more content. As far as playing him for the fun of it: NO. I hate the KDF ships, the faction's background and attitudes, and most of all I don't care for most of the folk playing on the KDF side for reasons which should be made clear by a quick perusal of their posts in this thread.
Despite this I think the KDF should be expanded because other people DO like it. I am not of the opinion that only what I want matters. These attitudes are symptomatic of the reactionary mean-spiritedness that is poisoning our culture these days: a rampant and reflexive "we must get over on the 'others' because only by others losing do we win."
No so much that as I am repulsed by the horrendous sentence structure put on display here.
Take some pepto.
As to your claim that no argument has been offered except "The Feds are out to get us KDF players" that is both a) clearly untrue if you bothered to read any of the posts and b) the sort of wanton distortion I have come to expect.
Having DOffs awarded to you is not evidence that the Gorn should be a player Race option for the Feds.
You are just a cantankerous and reactive contrarian who wants to feel put upon. No one is trying to take anything away from you; get over yourself.
Hardly, none of my posts in here have been cantankerous in tenor nor have been from the position of woe-is-us Klingons that you would like to think or want others to believe.
The Path to 2409 shows how the Gorn became a part of the KDF very well and the book Needs of the Many explains in good detail the why they did not join the federation instead after a rather exciting bgame of baseball.
On a personal note, I even stated I was fine with the options being in the Alien creator as long the Gorn was not an official option for fed faction players. Its evidently not meant to be though since that option did once exist and has since been pulled from fedside character creation by the Devs.
Indeed I have a KDF Gorn, but only just started playing him recently so that I can start making KDF foundry missions because I do agree they need more content. As far as playing him for the fun of it: NO. I hate the KDF ships, the faction's background and attitudes, and most of all I don't care for most of the folk playing on the KDF side for reasons which should be made clear by a quick perusal of their posts in this thread.
SO they should allow Fed gorn becuase you hate the KDF and theose whom are fans of it? Very silly.
But hey, you keep on letting your emotions tell you what you wish to believe.
Want to play as Gorn make a KDF Gorn, don't like the KDF then no Gorn for you.
You can't have your cake and eat it, it's that simple you can whine and whine and whine till the Gorns come home, but cryptic is not going to give Feds the Gorn becaus then you just opend pandora's box and now all races for both sides are up for grabs and everyone is going to want everything for each side, and who to hell wants to deal with that.
No fed Gorns and no defections. Why not just create a KDF char, play with it, and make new friends on the red side? I've noticed it's good if you force people to get out of their comfort zone IRL, they may discover new stuff they like. There is absolutely no reason not to give it a try. Build a char, invest your time, ECs, dil, on it and you'll see the red side is also interesting.
Try to get out of your own comfort zone, the KDF faction is a good opportunity not to get bored with the game and not to beg for new content when it's here.
I don't like Gorn all that much. I don't think they are bad or anything, it's more the fact that I don't enjoy having to give up 3 trait slots just to play one.
Anywho, I don't feel the problem here is so much that Gorns would be playable on the Fed side. The reason KDF players always are so bitter and such isn't just because Feds are getting KDF stuff, it's that Fed players are getting KDF stuff time and time again, and...the KDF still doesn't get anything in return.
Anytime the Feds want something, they get it almost guaranteed every time with enough whining. (Note: I'm not saying that you are whining, OP) I wouldn't be surprised if Feds get a battle cloak eventually.
So KDF ends up just having to sit there, while the Feds are running around with more and more toys and such, yet they are still only a half-faction, getting only cross-faction content which the devs use as an excuse to not work on finishing them out. Which essentially is both Fed players (the whiny ones that is), and the devs saying 'Well, you really should be happy with what you have already.'
KDF doesn't want Fed-only toys, they don't want special treatment for any reason, all the KDF wants is EQUAL treatment from the devs:
1-50 story content with unique Klingon stories (and not just mostly FEs with slightly altered text), a larger variety of ships roughly on-par with Fed ships (including more ships with 5-consoles), unique mechanics and things that give advantages over Feds (and Feds would have advantages over KDF), and so on.
Quite the large list, I know, but it's also gotten that bad as well. The game is coming close to 3 years old, and the gap between Feds and KDF only continues to grow.
All that put aside now, I don't personally really care if there were Fed Gorn. I'd rather see new species for both sides put in rather than cross-faction ones.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Gorn on the fed side just wouldn't really fit tbh. The Federation is known for civility and humanity and good will towards others. The Gorn are giant talking lizards. I personally love the Gorn (who doesn't love a giant talking violent yet intelligent lizard?), but they don't really match the fed MO.
And I agree with Roach here. If you want a Gorn so badly, just roll a KDF. You get better ships, missions that are more entertaining (cmon, you all love slaughtering those poor feds in Pi Canis), and did I mention better ships? At least as combat goes?
However mimey is right, the feds eventually do get what they want, because they know if they whine enough they are gorn get what they are begging for.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I don't like Gorn all that much. I don't think they are bad or anything, it's more the fact that I don't enjoy having to give up 3 trait slots just to play one.
Anywho, I don't feel the problem here is so much that Gorns would be playable on the Fed side. The reason KDF players always are so bitter and such isn't just because Feds are getting KDF stuff, it's that Fed players are getting KDF stuff time and time again, and...the KDF still doesn't get anything in return.
Anytime the Feds want something, they get it almost guaranteed every time with enough whining. (Note: I'm not saying that you are whining, OP) I wouldn't be surprised if Feds get a battle cloak eventually.
So KDF ends up just having to sit there, while the Feds are running around with more and more toys and such, yet they are still only a half-faction, getting only cross-faction content which the devs use as an excuse to not work on finishing them out. Which essentially is both Fed players (the whiny ones that is), and the devs saying 'Well, you really should be happy with what you have already.'
KDF doesn't want Fed-only toys, they don't want special treatment for any reason, all the KDF wants is EQUAL treatment from the devs:
1-50 story content with unique Klingon stories (and not just mostly FEs with slightly altered text), a larger variety of ships roughly on-par with Fed ships (including more ships with 5-consoles), unique mechanics and things that give advantages over Feds (and Feds would have advantages over KDF), and so on.
Quite the large list, I know, but it's also gotten that bad as well. The game is coming close to 3 years old, and the gap between Feds and KDF only continues to grow.
All that put aside now, I don't personally really care if there were Fed Gorn. I'd rather see new species for both sides put in rather than cross-faction ones.
A lot of truth in this post......really accurate truths.
Well, there WAS that Gorn crewman that was a rebel in Enterprise's MU episodes... what? Its called Starfleet too!
I had forgotten those episodes. It sets excellent precident for the MU STar Fleet faction to have Gorn slaves as a player race.
Not the non-MU Star Fleet though.
The OP may not like MU SF though since its basically a far more evil version of the KDF (like the old ToS klingons) and he hates all things KDF.
I don't like Gorn all that much. I don't think they are bad or anything, it's more the fact that I don't enjoy having to give up 3 trait slots just to play one.
Anywho, I don't feel the problem here is so much that Gorns would be playable on the Fed side. The reason KDF players always are so bitter and such isn't just because Feds are getting KDF stuff, it's that Fed players are getting KDF stuff time and time again, and...the KDF still doesn't get anything in return.
Anytime the Feds want something, they get it almost guaranteed every time with enough whining. (Note: I'm not saying that you are whining, OP) I wouldn't be surprised if Feds get a battle cloak eventually.
So KDF ends up just having to sit there, while the Feds are running around with more and more toys and such, yet they are still only a half-faction, getting only cross-faction content which the devs use as an excuse to not work on finishing them out. Which essentially is both Fed players (the whiny ones that is), and the devs saying 'Well, you really should be happy with what you have already.'
KDF doesn't want Fed-only toys, they don't want special treatment for any reason, all the KDF wants is EQUAL treatment from the devs:
1-50 story content with unique Klingon stories (and not just mostly FEs with slightly altered text), a larger variety of ships roughly on-par with Fed ships (including more ships with 5-consoles), unique mechanics and things that give advantages over Feds (and Feds would have advantages over KDF), and so on.
Quite the large list, I know, but it's also gotten that bad as well. The game is coming close to 3 years old, and the gap between Feds and KDF only continues to grow.
All that put aside now, I don't personally really care if there were Fed Gorn. I'd rather see new species for both sides put in rather than cross-faction ones.
Well said.
Here's a reference for those who are unaware of the history of the Cryptic's promises made regarding the KDF in this game:
I had forgotten those episodes. It sets excellent precident for the MU STar Fleet faction to have Gorn slaves as a player race.
Not the non-MU Star Fleet though.
Whic, since it is a mirror universe, down to the individuals populating it, we can assume that Gorn works for Starfleet in this universe too. Ha ha...
The OP may not like MU SF though since its basically a far more evil version of the KDF (like the old ToS klingons) and he hates all things KDF.
No, just don't really care for that faction. You have, sir, through out this discussion, resorted to ignoring completely valid points that you had no response to, claimed no such points were even made when they clearly were, attacked people's character to avoid making points of your own, and made baseless assertions about other people's motivations. I have noticed you do this elsewhere as well. You are a troll lacking either the capasity or willingness to discuss an issue honestly if you see yourself as having a horse in the race.
No one is trying to rip you off. The KDF doesn't get equal attention because hardly anyone plays it: the end.
I don't like Gorn all that much. I don't think they are bad or anything, it's more the fact that I don't enjoy having to give up 3 trait slots just to play one.
Thus I have suggested that you have the OPTION to play one or NOT. Why should your personal taste in this matter a deciding factor?
Anywho, I don't feel the problem here is so much that Gorns would be playable on the Fed side. The reason KDF players always are so bitter and such isn't just because Feds are getting KDF stuff, it's that Fed players are getting KDF stuff time and time again, and...the KDF still doesn't get anything in return.
Pretty much the entire player base is on the Fed side so this SHOULD be the case. If half, or even close to it, of the player base was on the KDF side I would agree that they have cause for some outrage. It is not--they DO not.
Anytime the Feds want something, they get it almost guaranteed every time with enough whining. (Note: I'm not saying that you are whining, OP) I wouldn't be surprised if Feds get a battle cloak eventually.
No, you are saying that everyone on the Fed side does nothing but whine. It is a mass character assault, not one specific to me. I understand that.
So KDF ends up just having to sit there, while the Feds are running around with more and more toys and such, yet they are still only a half-faction, getting only cross-faction content which the devs use as an excuse to not work on finishing them out. Which essentially is both Fed players (the whiny ones that is), and the devs saying 'Well, you really should be happy with what you have already.'
I have always, and will continue to, state that the KDF needs a lot more attention. I say this despite the fact that I won't really play one even if they do. I am concerned for the entire player base not just a group of them I happen to belong to. This reactionary tribalism is not helpful to this, or frankly any, discussion.
KDF doesn't want Fed-only toys, they don't want special treatment for any reason, all the KDF wants is EQUAL treatment from the devs:
1-50 story content with unique Klingon stories (and not just mostly FEs with slightly altered text), a larger variety of ships roughly on-par with Fed ships (including more ships with 5-consoles), unique mechanics and things that give advantages over Feds (and Feds would have advantages over KDF), and so on.
I 100% agree with this. The fact is you don't have the player base to really justify this kind of attention. This is one of the reasons that such a high number of Foundry missions (and some of the best being made right now) are on the KDF side. I have myself begun working on some because I honestly want to be helpful there and do my part to flesh-out the game and all its playable factions despite the fact that I don't really even play my KDF character except to test them. I really enjoy having representatives of the KDF player base spitting in my face and calling me a thief (in so many words) because I suggested something not to their personal advantage despite its having no negative effects on them.
Quite the large list, I know, but it's also gotten that bad as well. The game is coming close to 3 years old, and the gap between Feds and KDF only continues to grow.
All that put aside now, I don't personally really care if there were Fed Gorn. I'd rather see new species for both sides put in rather than cross-faction ones.
I also agree with this completely. I think any race should be available to either faction, these species have been interacting for a long time and there are doubtless a lot of Humans living in the Empire's territory and who think along the same lines as they do. Certain ones should be semi-restricted (put in the C Store for example) to keep their relative numbers low but outright restrictions are pointless.
Again, I do not want to take anything from anyone. The KDF needs more players to get more attention; not my fault.
We Feds already have a Lizard race... they are called SAURIANS.
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I enjoy playing my Gorn as KDF sci, he has both Time Ships, as I find the KDF time ships very Gorn appropriate, what with the Dragon Head shaped hulls. I have a Gorn BOFF for one of my Feds as well. I must say I play my KDF more, more contrabands.
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I enjoy playing my Gorn as KDF sci, he has both Time Ships, as I find the KDF time ships very Gorn appropriate, what with the Dragon Head shaped hulls. I have a Gorn BOFF for one of my Feds as well. I must say I play my KDF more, more contrabands.
That's nice. Off-topic and irrelevant, but glad you are having fun.
Whic, since it is a mirror universe, down to the individuals populating it, we can assume that Gorn works for Starfleet in this universe too. Ha ha...
If we are going to work off assumptions then anything can work since it has no concrete basis in fact.
No, just don't really care for that faction. You have, sir, through out this discussion, resorted to ignoring completely valid points that you had no response to, claimed no such points were even made when they clearly were, attacked people's character to avoid making points of your own, and made baseless assertions about other people's motivations. I have noticed you do this elsewhere as well. You are a troll lacking either the capasity or willingness to discuss an issue honestly if you see yourself as having a horse in the race.
Which is why your assumptions are being ignored by me. As to attacking posts that give good reasons- I have not. I have countered your assumptions only which are not supported by any facts.
One fact being we never saw any Gorn working with Star Fleet except for the MU ENT episode.
No one is trying to rip you off. The KDF doesn't get equal attention because hardly anyone plays it: the end.
Plenty play the KDF, if only to farm for thier feds.
I am not worried about being ripped off as a KDF player becuase I'm not forced to spend anything to play STO or KDF. For example, I like Andorians but have made no Thread pushing that the game be changed to suit that liking.
My concerns is that once again we have a KDF hating fed whom is unwilling to play the faction that has what he wants and is upset the option to play what he desires has been removed from the options- and he missed it so he wants it.
A purely selfish attitude that helps nothing but degrades the game further for everyone whom is not so self-concerned and has the courage to try something new instead of wanting the game changed to suit them as evidenced by responses to all whom tell you No.
Originally Posted by daveyny
We Feds already have a Lizard race... they are called SAURIANS.
Not the same, not what's being discussed, thank you for playing.
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It's Not going to happen.
Well, I guess it just sucks for me that you are in charge. Oh, wait, you're not...
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I enjoy playing my Gorn as KDF sci, he has both Time Ships, as I find the KDF time ships very Gorn appropriate, what with the Dragon Head shaped hulls. I have a Gorn BOFF for one of my Feds as well. I must say I play my KDF more, more contrabands.
That's nice. Off-topic and irrelevant, but glad you are having fun.
You remind me of Sophie. Unwilling to accept anything but your point of view and dismissing all others.
That would be fine, roach, if anything I said could be interpreted in that way by a reasonable person. It can't is the thing. I am done responding to you since you cannot be civil or honest.
I will, however, congratulate you on finding a good, solid tactic to get what you want: create rancor in the thread discussing a topic to get anyone reading it to dismiss the idea based not on its own merits but simply by making them want to avoid the trouble some are so willing to generate. Sadly, this method is tried and true.
There is also a Playable Klingon for the FED side also.
Exactly, if a large number of Klingons themselves are not interested in serving the Empire it is silly to conclude that members of its subject races would be unwilling to even consider it.
In retrospect I should have made the thread about opening all races (with C Store restrictions as needed) to every faction as opposed to the one I was specifically interested in myself. My thinking was that this was the easier "sell" to Cryptic but I should have guessed what was coming...
I like the defection idea myself but would never play a gorn for the same reason as another poster (forget who) stated you give up too many traits for them.
IMHO it seems that some of the more vocal fed posters (not saying all fed posters) can whine about not having something and eventually they get it.
eg.
cloaks - used primarily for ambushes and sneak attacks neither well liked by canon
Federation Starfleet
universal console slots - all ships should have this because as each console can be
customised by the users and, I think, was done in one episode
(not sure tho)
Both of the above started KDF until enough fed players complained about their faction not
having either of them.
But back on topic, I personally do not want federation playable gorn because it is something taken from the KDF and nothing gained in return.
Before people complain that I am a fed only player, I play both Fed and KDF and I want a full faction KDF for people to experience. IMHO the KDF right now is like starting a book or a movie in the middle and going to the end, no fun at all. Which is one of the problems the other is that you can not play KDF until you get used to playing a federation toon.
I have been playing STO since launch and been a lurker on the forums since then I do not post much as I do not want to violate forum rules and get an infraction.
Thus I have suggested that you have the OPTION to play one or NOT. Why should your personal taste in this matter a deciding factor?
Pretty much the entire player base is on the Fed side so this SHOULD be the case. If half, or even close to it, of the player base was on the KDF side I would agree that they have cause for some outrage. It is not--they DO not.
No, you are saying that everyone on the Fed side does nothing but whine. It is a mass character assault, not one specific to me. I understand that.
I have always, and will continue to, state that the KDF needs a lot more attention. I say this despite the fact that I won't really play one even if they do. I am concerned for the entire player base not just a group of them I happen to belong to. This reactionary tribalism is not helpful to this, or frankly any, discussion.
I 100% agree with this. The fact is you don't have the player base to really justify this kind of attention. This is one of the reasons that such a high number of Foundry missions (and some of the best being made right now) are on the KDF side. I have myself begun working on some because I honestly want to be helpful there and do my part to flesh-out the game and all its playable factions despite the fact that I don't really even play my KDF character except to test them. I really enjoy having representatives of the KDF player base spitting in my face and calling me a thief (in so many words) because I suggested something not to their personal advantage despite its having no negative effects on them.
I also agree with this completely. I think any race should be available to either faction, these species have been interacting for a long time and there are doubtless a lot of Humans living in the Empire's territory and who think along the same lines as they do. Certain ones should be semi-restricted (put in the C Store for example) to keep their relative numbers low but outright restrictions are pointless.
Again, I do not want to take anything from anyone. The KDF needs more players to get more attention; not my fault.
1. Just giving my opinion on how I felt about it. If I saw Fed Gorn walking around starting tomorrow, I wouldn't bat an eye about it.
2. Well, you are right in that most people do play Feds. But why does giving Feds more and more KDF stuff make it 'right' then? Simply a lack of players isn't a good enough reason in my opinion. If the game wasn't nearing 3 years old I might agree with you more, but this is not a new or recent problem.
3. Fair enough, I'll bow on that not all Feds whine, and not all KDF whine, but there are whiners on both sides, but I still stand by the fact that Fed whining (again, not you, but others) HAS caused the Feds to get originally KDF stuff. A big example would be carriers.
4. Ok, well that is good and I am glad for it, but...I'm confused. You say you want the KDF to have attention, yet also say that it's ok for the Feds to get everything because they are the larger percentage of the playerbase?
5. Foundry is a good tool, and I enjoy playing missions considerably, I won't deny it. But again, I'm confused. You say you want the KDF to be expanded, but also say that we don't have the numbers to justify it.
If this game was new, or nearly-new, I'd say that you were right, we don't have the numbers or anything to justify it, because the game wouldn't have had time to get off the ground and such. But it isn't new, it's almost 3 years old. The reason KDF doesn't have the numbers is BECAUSE we haven't had the attention needed from long ago. Cryptic hasn't given enough time and effort to finish it out.
6. I wasn't saying cross-faction species, I meant more brand new and unique species for both sides. I could understand a couple cross-faction ones, but not necessarily all of them.
7. Yes it does indeed need attention, though I never said it was your fault. All I've been trying to do is just explain the larger issues the KDF tends to have about things.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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Indeed, why not have the best of both worlds?
What has been taken away from you exactly? What did the KDF have that they no longer have? You should be annoyed that Cryptic is dragging their feet on making a proper faction of them, not pissing on the feet of other players out of spite.
Indeed I have a KDF Gorn, but only just started playing him recently so that I can start making KDF foundry missions because I do agree they need more content. As far as playing him for the fun of it: NO. I hate the KDF ships, the faction's background and attitudes, and most of all I don't care for most of the folk playing on the KDF side for reasons which should be made clear by a quick perusal of their posts in this thread.
Despite this I think the KDF should be expanded because other people DO like it. I am not of the opinion that only what I want matters. These attitudes are symptomatic of the reactionary mean-spiritedness that is poisoning our culture these days: a rampant and reflexive "we must get over on the 'others' because only by others losing do we win."
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You can't have your cake and eat it, it's that simple you can whine and whine and whine till the Gorns come home, but cryptic is not going to give Feds the Gorn becaus then you just opend pandora's box and now all races for both sides are up for grabs and everyone is going to want everything for each side, and who to hell wants to deal with that.
Well, there WAS that Gorn crewman that was a rebel in Enterprise's MU episodes... what? Its called Starfleet too!
Try to get out of your own comfort zone, the KDF faction is a good opportunity not to get bored with the game and not to beg for new content when it's here.
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Anywho, I don't feel the problem here is so much that Gorns would be playable on the Fed side. The reason KDF players always are so bitter and such isn't just because Feds are getting KDF stuff, it's that Fed players are getting KDF stuff time and time again, and...the KDF still doesn't get anything in return.
Anytime the Feds want something, they get it almost guaranteed every time with enough whining. (Note: I'm not saying that you are whining, OP) I wouldn't be surprised if Feds get a battle cloak eventually.
So KDF ends up just having to sit there, while the Feds are running around with more and more toys and such, yet they are still only a half-faction, getting only cross-faction content which the devs use as an excuse to not work on finishing them out. Which essentially is both Fed players (the whiny ones that is), and the devs saying 'Well, you really should be happy with what you have already.'
KDF doesn't want Fed-only toys, they don't want special treatment for any reason, all the KDF wants is EQUAL treatment from the devs:
1-50 story content with unique Klingon stories (and not just mostly FEs with slightly altered text), a larger variety of ships roughly on-par with Fed ships (including more ships with 5-consoles), unique mechanics and things that give advantages over Feds (and Feds would have advantages over KDF), and so on.
Quite the large list, I know, but it's also gotten that bad as well. The game is coming close to 3 years old, and the gap between Feds and KDF only continues to grow.
All that put aside now, I don't personally really care if there were Fed Gorn. I'd rather see new species for both sides put in rather than cross-faction ones.
As long as Klingons can start on Fed as well, or all Fed races start in Klingon space.
And I agree with Roach here. If you want a Gorn so badly, just roll a KDF. You get better ships, missions that are more entertaining (cmon, you all love slaughtering those poor feds in Pi Canis), and did I mention better ships? At least as combat goes?
However mimey is right, the feds eventually do get what they want, because they know if they whine enough they are gorn get what they are begging for.
Playing a Fed first is a faction killer.
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A lot of truth in this post......really accurate truths.
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I had forgotten those episodes. It sets excellent precident for the MU STar Fleet faction to have Gorn slaves as a player race.
Not the non-MU Star Fleet though.
The OP may not like MU SF though since its basically a far more evil version of the KDF (like the old ToS klingons) and he hates all things KDF.
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Well said.
Here's a reference for those who are unaware of the history of the Cryptic's promises made regarding the KDF in this game:
http://www.stowiki.org/User:Peregrine_Falcon
No, just don't really care for that faction. You have, sir, through out this discussion, resorted to ignoring completely valid points that you had no response to, claimed no such points were even made when they clearly were, attacked people's character to avoid making points of your own, and made baseless assertions about other people's motivations. I have noticed you do this elsewhere as well. You are a troll lacking either the capasity or willingness to discuss an issue honestly if you see yourself as having a horse in the race.
No one is trying to rip you off. The KDF doesn't get equal attention because hardly anyone plays it: the end.
Pretty much the entire player base is on the Fed side so this SHOULD be the case. If half, or even close to it, of the player base was on the KDF side I would agree that they have cause for some outrage. It is not--they DO not.
No, you are saying that everyone on the Fed side does nothing but whine. It is a mass character assault, not one specific to me. I understand that.
I have always, and will continue to, state that the KDF needs a lot more attention. I say this despite the fact that I won't really play one even if they do. I am concerned for the entire player base not just a group of them I happen to belong to. This reactionary tribalism is not helpful to this, or frankly any, discussion.
I 100% agree with this. The fact is you don't have the player base to really justify this kind of attention. This is one of the reasons that such a high number of Foundry missions (and some of the best being made right now) are on the KDF side. I have myself begun working on some because I honestly want to be helpful there and do my part to flesh-out the game and all its playable factions despite the fact that I don't really even play my KDF character except to test them. I really enjoy having representatives of the KDF player base spitting in my face and calling me a thief (in so many words) because I suggested something not to their personal advantage despite its having no negative effects on them.
I also agree with this completely. I think any race should be available to either faction, these species have been interacting for a long time and there are doubtless a lot of Humans living in the Empire's territory and who think along the same lines as they do. Certain ones should be semi-restricted (put in the C Store for example) to keep their relative numbers low but outright restrictions are pointless.
Again, I do not want to take anything from anyone. The KDF needs more players to get more attention; not my fault.
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Well, I guess it just sucks for me that you are in charge. Oh, wait, you're not...
That's nice. Off-topic and irrelevant, but glad you are having fun.
R.I.P
I will, however, congratulate you on finding a good, solid tactic to get what you want: create rancor in the thread discussing a topic to get anyone reading it to dismiss the idea based not on its own merits but simply by making them want to avoid the trouble some are so willing to generate. Sadly, this method is tried and true.
There is also a Playable Klingon for the FED side also.
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Exactly, if a large number of Klingons themselves are not interested in serving the Empire it is silly to conclude that members of its subject races would be unwilling to even consider it.
In retrospect I should have made the thread about opening all races (with C Store restrictions as needed) to every faction as opposed to the one I was specifically interested in myself. My thinking was that this was the easier "sell" to Cryptic but I should have guessed what was coming...
IMHO it seems that some of the more vocal fed posters (not saying all fed posters) can whine about not having something and eventually they get it.
eg.
cloaks - used primarily for ambushes and sneak attacks neither well liked by canon
Federation Starfleet
universal console slots - all ships should have this because as each console can be
customised by the users and, I think, was done in one episode
(not sure tho)
Both of the above started KDF until enough fed players complained about their faction not
having either of them.
But back on topic, I personally do not want federation playable gorn because it is something taken from the KDF and nothing gained in return.
Before people complain that I am a fed only player, I play both Fed and KDF and I want a full faction KDF for people to experience. IMHO the KDF right now is like starting a book or a movie in the middle and going to the end, no fun at all. Which is one of the problems the other is that you can not play KDF until you get used to playing a federation toon.
I have been playing STO since launch and been a lurker on the forums since then I do not post much as I do not want to violate forum rules and get an infraction.
1. Just giving my opinion on how I felt about it. If I saw Fed Gorn walking around starting tomorrow, I wouldn't bat an eye about it.
2. Well, you are right in that most people do play Feds. But why does giving Feds more and more KDF stuff make it 'right' then? Simply a lack of players isn't a good enough reason in my opinion. If the game wasn't nearing 3 years old I might agree with you more, but this is not a new or recent problem.
3. Fair enough, I'll bow on that not all Feds whine, and not all KDF whine, but there are whiners on both sides, but I still stand by the fact that Fed whining (again, not you, but others) HAS caused the Feds to get originally KDF stuff. A big example would be carriers.
4. Ok, well that is good and I am glad for it, but...I'm confused. You say you want the KDF to have attention, yet also say that it's ok for the Feds to get everything because they are the larger percentage of the playerbase?
5. Foundry is a good tool, and I enjoy playing missions considerably, I won't deny it. But again, I'm confused. You say you want the KDF to be expanded, but also say that we don't have the numbers to justify it.
If this game was new, or nearly-new, I'd say that you were right, we don't have the numbers or anything to justify it, because the game wouldn't have had time to get off the ground and such. But it isn't new, it's almost 3 years old. The reason KDF doesn't have the numbers is BECAUSE we haven't had the attention needed from long ago. Cryptic hasn't given enough time and effort to finish it out.
6. I wasn't saying cross-faction species, I meant more brand new and unique species for both sides. I could understand a couple cross-faction ones, but not necessarily all of them.
7. Yes it does indeed need attention, though I never said it was your fault. All I've been trying to do is just explain the larger issues the KDF tends to have about things.
Still not going to happen...it will just open up the flood gate, and cryptic is not going to do it...so yeah