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Notes From Testing On Tribble:
vm3 14.6 to 19.1 duration, 125 decompiler, 125 decompiler +T5 rep boost
psw3 4 to 5.7 duration w/max decompiler and +26.2 decompiler deflector, 125 decompiler +T5 rep boost
w/max flow cap, captain trait, deflector 3x flow cap consoles (212) cpb:
5930.9 w/boost and 123 aux
tet glider 124 weapon power 212 flow cap 51.5 power levels (polaron) and shield drain, goes to 64 w/T5 rep boost
1496.5 214 part gen gw3 damage 1737 w/t5 rep
sensor scan 67.6 @ full aux%, no change w/rep boost
2150 tbr3
fbp3 full aux 214 part gen 1.1, 1.3 w/boost
The 10 minute cooldown limits efficiency of testing. All in all, other than VM w/doff potential nothing seems too out of whack given it's a 10 minute cooldown and lasts under 10 seconds.
I haven't looked into repairs or more complicated things like using it to boost MEFs and see how they stack etc.
vm3 14.6 to 19.1 duration, 125 decompiler, 125 decompiler +T5 rep boost
psw3 4 to 5.7 duration w/max decompiler and +26.2 decompiler deflector, 125 decompiler +T5 rep boost
w/max flow cap, captain trait, deflector 3x flow cap consoles (212) cpb:
5930.9 w/boost and 123 aux
tet glider 124 weapon power 212 flow cap 51.5 power levels (polaron) and shield drain, goes to 64 w/T5 rep boost
1496.5 214 part gen gw3 damage 1737 w/t5 rep
sensor scan 67.6 @ full aux%, no change w/rep boost
2150 tbr3
fbp3 full aux 214 part gen 1.1, 1.3 w/boost
The 10 minute cooldown limits efficiency of testing. All in all, other than VM w/doff potential nothing seems too out of whack given it's a 10 minute cooldown and lasts under 10 seconds.
I haven't looked into repairs or more complicated things like using it to boost MEFs and see how they stack etc.
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One of the best things about this ability is the long cool down and short duration to offset a pretty spectacular boost. This is one of the most basic problems with "p2w" consoles. They have powerful, often times long lasting effects, with short cool downs. That, in my opinion, is the opposite of how they should work.
Long cool downs demand a more tactical, well thought out approach or else you waste tremendous potential. Oh how I wish they would increase the cool downs on things like this.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
doesn't that have a set 10 second stun/hold that cant be buffed?
for EWP3, a decloaking, fully tac buffed at 100% health, + tier 5 rom buff can have its DOT between 1800 and 2000, depending on how many plasma energy consoles you also have.
Definitely not! I've been hit with Grav Pulses that last for ~30 seconds. :eek:
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I don't have the grav pulse console, I'll add 3 part omega to list. The 10 minutes between setups and brief duration kind of make testing this a PiTA.
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I've been wanting to do tests on Tribble for a while, but every time I copy my Tac over to do those tests, and with a possible respec, the ship I want to test with has No Boff slots/powers available even if I change ships. :rolleyes:
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Did you try slotting no boffs in a station, then reslotting a boff? I found I needed to do this for some stations.
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I've been hit by Gpulses that were at least 50 seconds long or so.
Since I usually carry an ET for VM counter, it generally doesn't matter when it gets to those rediculously high numbers.
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Yeah, I'm a healer mostly, so I can handle it. But it sure sucks if you're pugging as an Escort or so.
Do you even Science Bro?
it's got a 3 second activation timer (iirc) so only really 5 sec of cloak 1x/ten minutes. I'm more worried about what MEF would be like constantly rolled and every 2 minutes rolled while Sci boosted.
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Be alot faster than testing something every 10 minutes or so.
0 skill, 0 aux modifier
Rank 1: 5
Rank 2: 7
So base duration is 5 seconds, +2 seconds per rank.
84 skill gives 7.1 duration. So that means it is a .5 skill modifier.
Viral Matrix Formula
3 + (rank * 2) = base
(skill value * .5) /100 = skill multiplier
base * skill multiplier = duration (remember to add a '1' to the skill mod)
So Viral Matrix 3 with 225 skill would be
3 + 6 = 9
2.25 * .5 = 1.125
9 * 2.125 = 19.1 duration like you got.
Special Notes
- Skill mods are typically .5, .25, or .33
- Aux modifier multiplies just like skill modifier when applicable and varies in strength
- 99 skill is really 99.9 from putting in 9 points
This math lesson has been brought to you by me being tired. Oh and the vast majority of heal abilities use a .5 skill modifier.
There are NO stations.. All that is there is the Ground Stations. No Ship stations at all. And it only effects my Chimera and my Orb. None of my other ships are effected. And while I probably could use those ships to test a power or two, it won't help to test the builds I'll want to use on my Chimera or Orb when I can't slot Boff powers in them >.<
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grave pulse (red stun) is not the omega 3 part, graviton anchor (blue stun) is
Thanks, and sorry for the late reply. I've been sick and didn't want to do any math.
Part of the testing is to make sure it's what it's supposed to be, which it seems it is. I've noticed some seemingly odd things in the past, so was attempting to make sure things felt right. This is particular of things outside the Boff tree, but still effected by Captain skill points.
I do have some questions:
Constant + (Rank*RankModifier) = Base
Just curious if the base is given for a rank why figure this out?
Also, "84 skill gives 7.1 duration. So that means it is a .5 skill modifier."
Tbh, I don't follow this @ all. 0.025 is what I get if divide 2.1 (the difference between the base and 7.1 points) by 84 points. Even multiplying by 100 doesn't give the .5 modifier. I'd have to multiply it by 200, not sure why.
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84 * .5 = 42
42/100 = .42
5 seconds * 1.42 = 7.1 second duration
Only reason I like to figure out the base is I dunno I just do.
Transfer Shield Strength will be funny with this.
Rank 3 = 500 heal / 142 regen before mods
Skill mod is .5 so lets just say 225 skill for a 1.125
Aux mod is 1% per 1 power for a total .75 at full aux
500 * 2.125 * 1.75 = 1859 insta heal
142 * 2.125 * 1.75 = 528 per sec
Total Heal of 9779 per facing, not counting the resist effect. Even at a low AUX though with buff this will likely almost fully restore an escorts shields. Meh, not as funny as I thought it would have gotten.
Also wondering exactly what is the best amount in Grav generators to have to make Grav Well the most effective while also not making tractor beam repulsors I and II push too far.
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For the 2nd part, you left out potential console boosts. Shoulda used over 300 instead of 225.
Getting back to the 1st part, still not seeing how you determined the .5 value for skill modifier to start with.
Base * (1 + Points*modifier/100) = Results
5 * (1 + M84/100) = 7.1
5*M*84/100 = 2.1
M=.5
I follow that, but other than trial and error how did you get that instead of say:
Base + Modifier*Points = Results
84*Modifier= 2.1
M=.025
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From my understanding it doesn't really have any effect on the pull just the size of the gravity well and how far away the enemy can be and still be effected. Although they changed that a few times so I could be out of date with my info.
Also, I thought the repel was primarily effected by AUX and not skill but I haven't looked at it in a long time. Just grab some +skill consoles and put them on/take them off to get a feel for it. You can even semi reverse engineer the math that way but due to rounding errors it will not be perfect.
Trial and error along with common sense. Most games follow a similar method with their math. You have a base number, stuff gets added to it, then it gets multiplied by other stuff. Everything in STO works this way pretty much for final values. That and I think I read it on the forums or some such when the skill revamp was released.
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I've had the same issue as you have.... unfortunately due to the map zoning glitch i cant test my theory of trying to get them back.
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That doesn't work. I've tried that.
Think about this:
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Science Team Shield Heal = (450*(1+(Ability Level-1)/3))*(Total Starship Shield Emitters/200+1)*(Ship Tier Level*0.5+0.5)
AtSIF Hull Heal = (600*(1+(ability lvl-1)/3))*(skill points in hull repair/200+1)*(ship tier*0.5+0.5)*(((aux power-50)*0.01)+1)
AtSIF Damage Resistance = (19*(1+(ability lvl-1)/3))*(((aux power-50)*0.01)+1)
Engineering Team Hull Heal = (1350*(1+(Ability Level-1)/3))*(Total Starship Hull Repair/200+1)*(Ship Tier Level*0.5+0.5)
Transfer Shield Strength Start Shield Heal = (100*(1+(ability lvl-1)/3))*(Total Starship Shield Emitters/200+1)*(ship tier*0.5+0.5)*(((aux power-50)*0.01)+1)
Transfer Shield Strength Shiel Heal per sec = (28.5*(1+(ability lvl-1)/3))*(Total Starship Shield Emitters/200+1)*(ship tier*0.5+0.5)*(((aux power-50)*0.01)+1)
Transfer Shield Strength reduces damage to shields = (6*(1+(ability lvl-1)/3))*(((aux power-50)*0.01)+1)
the numbers aren't perfect but are very close. let me know if they are way off.
I have no clue how the ship tier modifier works and I would guess the only reason your numbers are off is that you might not be counting 99 skill as 99.9 like it truly is. Looks good though keep up the good work and keep posting it as it is very informative.
The odd part to me is how he has a base of bases subfunction so to speak in the first parens and his multiplier is closer to the 2nd multiplier from my example in #21 in that .025 is 1/200 of .5. A fraction which occurs in many of his formulas. I really need to stop being sick so my brain can work again.
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(100*(1+(ability lvl-1)/3)) = (100*(1+(3-1)/3)) = 166.6666
(ship tier*0.5+0.5) = (5*0.5+0.5) = 3
3*166.66666 = 500 which is the base number you used. The other two parts are the same.
I did only use 99 but I think my numbers are already high. I can?t check in game at the moment.
The reason I have the ship tier modifier in there is I am planning to make an Excel spreadsheet that you can enter in skills, gear, boff, etc. and it would tell you about what your power should be at. If I didn?t use the ability or ship modifier I would need to find 15 different base numbers. And more when they raise the lvl cap.