As far as STO goes canon is a complete write off. Defiant cloak destroyed, Gal-x was alt timeline. Canon? I saw half of starfleet flying Breen ships in STF yesterday - the other half were in Cardi and ferengi ships.
You know people keep talking about how the Dread was from a alternate timeline. Who is to say this game doesn't follow that timeline? I mean the Federation is at war with the Empire and we can go warp 13 and above (I know not the same as the absolute warp 10).
STO has a lot in common with that timeline, Picard saved all of time...just because that future didn't come to be doesn't mean a similar didn't happen.
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It would bother me and everyone that brought the Defiant-R and the Galaxy-X as you would now get a console people payed for.
And that is why its not going to happen.
Well, in the interests of fairness, they would charge the usual huge ammount of dilithium for the console, you wouldn't get it for free. Yes, it would be less than the ship, but with the Defiant and Gal-X, you were getting the console AND the ship.
IMHO, I don't think the FED side should get cloaking devices on all their ships. But that is in my little perfect world, where this game would be more of a Star Trek RPG, where the whole point of end game is not pressing F or a DPS race, and where a galaxy doesn't turn like a slug. In our Perfect World, I'm sure that if PWE thinks they can get enough money for it, they will put it in.
Well, in the interests of fairness, they would charge the usual huge ammount of dilithium for the console, you wouldn't get it for free. Yes, it would be less than the ship, but with the Defiant and Gal-X, you were getting the console AND the ship.
IMHO, I don't think the FED side should get cloaking devices on all their ships. But that is in my little perfect world, where this game would be more of a Star Trek RPG, where the whole point of end game is not pressing F or a DPS race, and where a galaxy doesn't turn like a slug. In our Perfect World, I'm sure that if PWE thinks they can get enough money for it, they will put it in.
Maybe I just wanted something really special to work for on my Fed toons through the Romulan rep system - frankly all the rest of the stuff won't be getting my dilthium or marks. There is NOTHING at T5 that is really worth getting - so why bother?
If they can sell it - go for it. Im just so tired of the KDF whining about the cloak being unique- who cares - most KDF are better PvPer's without the cloak (tactics and teamwork are what make the KDF good not the cloak!!)- except for the B'rel it's mostly useless but a fun toy. Sure if I am fighting in my B'rel i need the cloak or you go Boom really quick. I don't waste the slot 90% of the time for my fleet defiant. It's just a fun thing to have - half the consoles in this game are more for fun factor and not practical.
I also would like a Guramba - I have not gotten one yet because it does not have a cloak - and I am also hoping they come out with the fleet version - some say the Guramba does not need a cloak - so what i would like it - just as I would like it for my Fed ships. No ships except the Bops really need a cloak anyways - like I said its fun factor. Most good KDF PvP players will take Fed ships head on without the cloak so I don't think it's such a big deal. The cloak is not going to magically make most Fed players better PvPers so I don't know what the other KDF players are worried about.
Anyways this is definitly my last 2 cents on this.
To hell with canon, there are just certain ships in this game that should never get a cloak. There is no PVE reason that a cloak is necessary. I'm having Deja Vu this is like a repeat of the Phase cloak thread.
I still haven't heard a good reason why as a KDF player I'm helping the Romulans, instead of wiping them out of existence once and for all and just taking whatever pieces of salvage that may be useful.
They are the enemy, you crush the enemy, not help them rebuild their strength so they can fight you again.
Let the Feds have their friendly diplomacy. For me, diplomacy is a disruptor to the face.
So we don't get to wear cloaks like the Klingons do? Not even the ones that Mudd used to wear (I think he wore one or two... or maybe not)?
In all seriousness...
The Feds shouldn't get the cloak beyond what we get in the C-Store. Then cloaking tech would be boring to use... not to mention some of the missions where you'd get by cloaked when you're supposed to fight through squadrons of enemy ships. And it doesn't seem right for the cloak tech to be as spread out through the Federation like it is with the Klingon and Romulan empires. Or maybe I'm too hard core when it comes to Star Trek stuff. I did grow up on it, after all...
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As tempting as it is to have a cloak for my merry band of science ships, I'm gonna have to say no. Let's keep the cloak unique to the Defiant, Galaxy-X and the KDF ships.
Agree but I have to say the ship that should have one as per canon (maybe soft canon?) is the Chel Grett since the Breen are known to have cloaking technology. I'm really confused as to why it didn't come with a cloak.
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I would like to see a Phasing Cloak console with some sort of 10 second limit to it that makes you immune to fire. Maybe 10 seconds is a bit too long but like what ended with the Pegasus being stuck inside an asteroid and Picard adapting it to the Enterprise to get out of the asteroid. Clearly Starfleet has some secret projects that don't always fit within the lines of appropriate for the Federation.
I would like to see a Phasing Cloak console with some sort of 10 second limit to it that makes you immune to fire.
That might be acceptable if and only if you can't fire while it's on. If enemy weapons can't hit you because you're out of phase, your weapons would be out of phase with them as well. That would make it too similar to the Ablative Armor though.
And I don't like Federation having a cloak. It just wouldn't make sense the way the game is to have every Federation ship with a cloaking device. The Romulans would have to be the stupidest species in the galaxy to give away the one and only advantage they have left. I could maybe possibly see the Romulans doing it IF you help them a lot more than Tier 5. And for example I mean like a Tier 10 project requiring 10 mil rep and 250k+ Dil. That would take so long to get to and so few people would actually spend that much time and money to get it that it would still be very very rare.
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That might be acceptable if and only if you can't fire while it's on. If enemy weapons can't hit you because you're out of phase, your weapons would be out of phase with them as well. That would make it too similar to the Ablative Armor though.
And I don't like Federation having a cloak. It just wouldn't make sense the way the game is to have every Federation ship with a cloaking device. The Romulans would have to be the stupidest species in the galaxy to give away the one and only advantage they have left. I could maybe possibly see the Romulans doing it IF you help them a lot more than Tier 5. And for example I mean like a Tier 10 project requiring 10 mil rep and 250k+ Dil. That would take so long to get to and so few people would actually spend that much time and money to get it that it would still be very very rare.
Or Cryptic could just add a "cloaking console" to the next LOCK-BOX!!!:eek::eek::eek:
I agree with the sentiment that Feds need to be severely limited in how much cloak they get. I mean guys, seriously? Think about this for a minute: You desire it as Feds because it is unique. That means the devs are doing something right. If it wasn't desirable, you wouldn't be going crazy over trying to get it, right?
Putting all canon reasoning aside, one of the the reasons why the KDF is attractive is because many of it's ships have cloak. Take that away and what are you left with? You're left with an empty shell because the KDF storyline is so short that the faction doesn't have very much going for it.
The most I could happening is section 31 stealing the cloak technology for use on a prototype ship. However, that prototype would probably be destroyed by the Tal Shiar for fear of the Federation becoming too powerful.
I vote against this idea. Feds already got the KDF sets for "balance" purposes, and i think it's a huge mistake, it removed a good reason to play KDF (better ground equipment). I don't want to see this faction killed even more. If the devs don't offer a different experience to other factions then there's no point to create alts.
I started to play my main KDF char to try new stuff, new sets, new ships - because that faction was unique. Furthermore, feds already have the best tac and science ships! I know it because i'm flyig a vesta, and I have friends flying armittages and fleet defiants. KDF ships clearly have inferior stats because they have a little cloaking device.
If such a console was offered, giving it would require:
- a major overhaul/upgrade of kdf ships
- to have severe counterparts to this console: cloaking device but -15% shield cap and hull or something like that.
I'm against the idea but for all the wrong reasons. Frankly i'm in the camp of This is the future, and the cloak should reflect that. The preferred course of action would be that since we're at "war" with the Klingons or Tech sharing buddies (based on missions or possible ship designs) cloak should:
Availibility:
(Fed) SHOULD get cloak but it should be limited to one ship per class. Only one escort, one cruiser, one shuttle, and one science vessel should be able to equip them, Carriers not so much.
(Klink) if it has a bathroom, the Klingons would put a cloak on it
(Rom) same as above in case the Klingons are peeping
Advanced options:
(Fed) Intangibility. can pass through objects like ships and mines when cloak, but still takes damage "due to subatomic distortions" caused by normal anticloak shinies (just to keep it fair)
(Klinks) Cloaking field beacon. An AOE cloak effect which you drop like a turret but would cover other ships, shuttles, mines, allowing them to fire and be shielded since they're not powering the cloak. Maybe give it a 5km range?
(Rom) Perfect Cloak. the benefit here could be something like reduced energy weapons fire but greater damaged received while cloaked (again to keep it fair)
General:
1) all cloak would be battle cloak, otherwise it's kind of useless in a fight. Face it, it's canon, it turns on when i push a button, but in battle to do so it at your own risk.
If anything add a slightly bigger damage buff while adding a equal damage received to emphasize that.
2) basic klingon cloak is Current advanced cloak. Limit it to only non energy weapons to keep it from being OP, but anticloak measures are still as effective. Add similar buff/debuff here as well just to make it more risk with more reward
3) if the species has cloak (breen ship) make it so the ship doesn't come with the cloak but they can use one aqquired elsewhere in game
4) Again, it's decades since the last show or film, so the technology should reflect this. If our treaties are broken or our enemies allies against a greater threat, then let it reflect that. I say "If you make it, make it fair but make it fun."
Lame i know but still there's a lot of fun possibilities here and frankly the only way to kill the topic is to give in, but do so in a way that gives all sides something unique and fun.
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You know people keep talking about how the Dread was from a alternate timeline. Who is to say this game doesn't follow that timeline? I mean the Federation is at war with the Empire and we can go warp 13 and above (I know not the same as the absolute warp 10).
STO has a lot in common with that timeline, Picard saved all of time...just because that future didn't come to be doesn't mean a similar didn't happen.
It's a play balance thing. Half the fun of playing fed is the idea that we don't get all the toys.
Well, in the interests of fairness, they would charge the usual huge ammount of dilithium for the console, you wouldn't get it for free. Yes, it would be less than the ship, but with the Defiant and Gal-X, you were getting the console AND the ship.
IMHO, I don't think the FED side should get cloaking devices on all their ships. But that is in my little perfect world, where this game would be more of a Star Trek RPG, where the whole point of end game is not pressing F or a DPS race, and where a galaxy doesn't turn like a slug. In our Perfect World, I'm sure that if PWE thinks they can get enough money for it, they will put it in.
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Maybe I just wanted something really special to work for on my Fed toons through the Romulan rep system - frankly all the rest of the stuff won't be getting my dilthium or marks. There is NOTHING at T5 that is really worth getting - so why bother?
If they can sell it - go for it. Im just so tired of the KDF whining about the cloak being unique- who cares - most KDF are better PvPer's without the cloak (tactics and teamwork are what make the KDF good not the cloak!!)- except for the B'rel it's mostly useless but a fun toy. Sure if I am fighting in my B'rel i need the cloak or you go Boom really quick. I don't waste the slot 90% of the time for my fleet defiant. It's just a fun thing to have - half the consoles in this game are more for fun factor and not practical.
I also would like a Guramba - I have not gotten one yet because it does not have a cloak - and I am also hoping they come out with the fleet version - some say the Guramba does not need a cloak - so what i would like it - just as I would like it for my Fed ships. No ships except the Bops really need a cloak anyways - like I said its fun factor. Most good KDF PvP players will take Fed ships head on without the cloak so I don't think it's such a big deal. The cloak is not going to magically make most Fed players better PvPers so I don't know what the other KDF players are worried about.
Anyways this is definitly my last 2 cents on this.
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In all seriousness...
The Feds shouldn't get the cloak beyond what we get in the C-Store. Then cloaking tech would be boring to use... not to mention some of the missions where you'd get by cloaked when you're supposed to fight through squadrons of enemy ships. And it doesn't seem right for the cloak tech to be as spread out through the Federation like it is with the Klingon and Romulan empires. Or maybe I'm too hard core when it comes to Star Trek stuff. I did grow up on it, after all...
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
Agree but I have to say the ship that should have one as per canon (maybe soft canon?) is the Chel Grett since the Breen are known to have cloaking technology. I'm really confused as to why it didn't come with a cloak.
That might be acceptable if and only if you can't fire while it's on. If enemy weapons can't hit you because you're out of phase, your weapons would be out of phase with them as well. That would make it too similar to the Ablative Armor though.
And I don't like Federation having a cloak. It just wouldn't make sense the way the game is to have every Federation ship with a cloaking device. The Romulans would have to be the stupidest species in the galaxy to give away the one and only advantage they have left. I could maybe possibly see the Romulans doing it IF you help them a lot more than Tier 5. And for example I mean like a Tier 10 project requiring 10 mil rep and 250k+ Dil. That would take so long to get to and so few people would actually spend that much time and money to get it that it would still be very very rare.
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Or Cryptic could just add a "cloaking console" to the next LOCK-BOX!!!:eek::eek::eek:
Putting all canon reasoning aside, one of the the reasons why the KDF is attractive is because many of it's ships have cloak. Take that away and what are you left with? You're left with an empty shell because the KDF storyline is so short that the faction doesn't have very much going for it.
The most I could happening is section 31 stealing the cloak technology for use on a prototype ship. However, that prototype would probably be destroyed by the Tal Shiar for fear of the Federation becoming too powerful.
As a sad yellow boy would say about this subject
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whats the use of a few seconds can't do anything with it soz i think its a little TRIBBLE...
I started to play my main KDF char to try new stuff, new sets, new ships - because that faction was unique. Furthermore, feds already have the best tac and science ships! I know it because i'm flyig a vesta, and I have friends flying armittages and fleet defiants. KDF ships clearly have inferior stats because they have a little cloaking device.
If such a console was offered, giving it would require:
- a major overhaul/upgrade of kdf ships
- to have severe counterparts to this console: cloaking device but -15% shield cap and hull or something like that.
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Availibility:
(Fed) SHOULD get cloak but it should be limited to one ship per class. Only one escort, one cruiser, one shuttle, and one science vessel should be able to equip them, Carriers not so much.
(Klink) if it has a bathroom, the Klingons would put a cloak on it
(Rom) same as above in case the Klingons are peeping
Advanced options:
(Fed) Intangibility. can pass through objects like ships and mines when cloak, but still takes damage "due to subatomic distortions" caused by normal anticloak shinies (just to keep it fair)
(Klinks) Cloaking field beacon. An AOE cloak effect which you drop like a turret but would cover other ships, shuttles, mines, allowing them to fire and be shielded since they're not powering the cloak. Maybe give it a 5km range?
(Rom) Perfect Cloak. the benefit here could be something like reduced energy weapons fire but greater damaged received while cloaked (again to keep it fair)
General:
1) all cloak would be battle cloak, otherwise it's kind of useless in a fight. Face it, it's canon, it turns on when i push a button, but in battle to do so it at your own risk.
If anything add a slightly bigger damage buff while adding a equal damage received to emphasize that.
2) basic klingon cloak is Current advanced cloak. Limit it to only non energy weapons to keep it from being OP, but anticloak measures are still as effective. Add similar buff/debuff here as well just to make it more risk with more reward
3) if the species has cloak (breen ship) make it so the ship doesn't come with the cloak but they can use one aqquired elsewhere in game
4) Again, it's decades since the last show or film, so the technology should reflect this. If our treaties are broken or our enemies allies against a greater threat, then let it reflect that. I say "If you make it, make it fair but make it fun."
Lame i know but still there's a lot of fun possibilities here and frankly the only way to kill the topic is to give in, but do so in a way that gives all sides something unique and fun.