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Any chance for a change to the Manheim Device?
picardtheiii
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Let me just preface this by saying I'm well aware that the temporal ships are great ships and this isn't a complaint about them in general.
The Manheim Device is just ridiculous however. Well known as the "Suicide Console" it is a much more effective way to kill yourself than self destruct. No matter how good the ship is, the console shouldn't be totally pointless.
Exacerbating the problem is the fact that for some reason the past version of yourself is king of aggro draw the instant you summon it... crazy.
There are a number of ways to fix this. The player should receive less of the damage that the past ship receives than it does currently. Although rare it is possible to survive the death of your past self, so any time travel purists can forget arguing the "story" of it. The starting hull of your past and future self could be less, thus meaning there was less damage to pass on before popping.
At the minimum the device should provide the ability to "unsummon" the ships if they are taking a beating and you want to survive.
If any change to increase the survivability of this console required a balancing nerf, I believe we would be more than fine with that. Reduced summoned damage, health, or increased cooldown would also be more than acceptable if it meant we actually got to summon the pets and use them.
Thanks.
The Manheim Device is just ridiculous however. Well known as the "Suicide Console" it is a much more effective way to kill yourself than self destruct. No matter how good the ship is, the console shouldn't be totally pointless.
Exacerbating the problem is the fact that for some reason the past version of yourself is king of aggro draw the instant you summon it... crazy.
There are a number of ways to fix this. The player should receive less of the damage that the past ship receives than it does currently. Although rare it is possible to survive the death of your past self, so any time travel purists can forget arguing the "story" of it. The starting hull of your past and future self could be less, thus meaning there was less damage to pass on before popping.
At the minimum the device should provide the ability to "unsummon" the ships if they are taking a beating and you want to survive.
If any change to increase the survivability of this console required a balancing nerf, I believe we would be more than fine with that. Reduced summoned damage, health, or increased cooldown would also be more than acceptable if it meant we actually got to summon the pets and use them.
Thanks.
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That said, it's still in the box, so I can resell it and trade for a Wells and its superior gimmick.
Would you recommend that course of action? I picked the TD mainly because I'm more familiar with Escort Tactics, but I could easily switch to sweet science if it was worth it. I can only get one, though. It'll be a long while before I can afford both.
What do you think?
BTW, I'm an Engineer.
As an engineer, you won't get the best out of either timeship, but they are both nice to have overall.
Why? And please don't say "canon".
Wait... what? Why? Hell I don't even use them and this statement confuses me. That's like saying all Tholian ships, all Cardassian Ships, all bugs, all MU ships, and all D'koras should be removed.
Why not just say that all lock box ships should be removed (revoked is the wrong word btw). Because you'd need to do that to justify removing the Temporal Science Vessels and Temporal Destroyers. And even then, there really isn't a reason to do that.
If canon nerds had their way the only playable ships available in the game would look like the Connie, the Galaxy, the Defiant, the Sovvy, and the Intrepid. Plus, of course, their own personal kitbash that they designed themselves because it's the only fan design that makes sense and fits in the story.
Removed is too limited
Gone
Obliterated
Erased
Because they are massively CHEATING
As to the other non canon junk
well starfleet are short of ships
the least competent captains get issued captured alien junkers right??
Do you do anything other than whine and complain? STFU.
I spend most of my time being helpful and nice
you on the other hand are SWEARING at people
Remember to follow Forum Rules Nr. 2: don't ever answer one of Sollvax's attempts to troll...
As someone else has mentioned, even though the console is horrible, it's a nice ship. 4 Tac consoles, decent hull, good shields and most importantly, it's an escort that doesn't come with that godforsaken Ensign Tac slot.
Im not the one doing that
you don't want to read what people have to say DON'T
but the next time you call someone a troll think twice
Your lack of reading comprehension is as fail as your attempts to justify your position. Like a child debating with a God. I stand by my original assessment of you and your soapbox attention grabbing ranting. STFU and L2P.
As for the Suicide console, the only redeeming feature it has is how it augments the tripler.
you are clearly defective
seek repair
I spent a lot of the last couple of days trying to help one of this boards nicest people with a foundry problem
I spend a lot of time trying to promote honour , respect for women and proper standards of dress and canon
you just abuse people
The phrase "is as fai" incidentally marks you out as younger than me by at least two decades .
...and as we all know, the older you are, the smarter and more right you are. :cool:
My mistake I'll clarify in verbiage and dialog befitting your decrepit state.
You come here announce to everyone that all temporal ships should be "revoked." And it's not trolling.
When I call you on your trolling (how dare I challenge your age old wisdom) I'm abusive.
Your age is irrelevant you're wrong. So take your accusations of cheating and discontent and start a thread on it. I'm sure your particular mix logical fallacies and complaining will make it stand out amidst the sea of complaint threads.
Your previous good works and generosity are all undone by your current actions. Your statements of how good you are, only further your ego like a pharisee.
why thank you
no its what we call an Opinion
I feel that anything as badly broken and as abused as these needs to be removed
#
you swore and blasphemed
not a great start
My age is relevant when you call me a child and claim to be a ~God
so take your attitude and pop along to Drozana or something
Your previous good works and generosity are all undone by your current actions. Your statements of how good you are, only further your ego like a pharisee.
Unless analogies are also cheating. Like time ships.
And unlike yourself I make no claims of goodness or purity in the temple of STO. I leave that to the Pharisees such as yourself.
As for the m?bius console. It's an absolutely canon implementation of the Mannheim effect. However it's not a good thing for how STO is designed. If it functioned more like the shard of possibilities a lot of grief would be avoided.
The m?bius destroyer is actually in my opinion the superior timeship.
and I made no claim of good works
merely basic helping out
good works includes things like spending a year in Africa building a school
Curing cancer
giving half your wages to children in need
helping out someone you happen to like is not a good work
Well to be honest with you, when I have to be accosted with "people" like you, yeah I pretty much am. It's like disciplining your dog.
Well I can't be bothered with you right now
im sure you will be back
but right now im going to have something to eat
Because we mortals get hungry (and pee)
Also, this is a game, and i cant imagine one single mechanic where the Manheim Device isnt more than a suicide console.
Ridiculous.
^^^ Truth right there.
Shard of Possibilities "Call upon two level __ Quantum Shadows from alternate universes."
Manheim Device "The Manheim Device console can create quantum duplicates of yourself, one from your past and one from your future."
Although they both create Quantum duplicates, the shard creates duplicates from alternate universes where as the Manheim Device summons ships from your immediate past and future. Two different things.
Great points. Hopefully someone at PWE takes notice of this issue and really does something to address it because this is just silly.
Frankly I'd just as soon remove the past version all together, simply have the device summon one future version with damage increased a small bit maybe 10 or 20%, that takes damage itself as well as the damage the present ship takes but also with heals passed on.
No it doesnt:
"The Manheim Device console can create quantum duplicates of yourself, one from your past and one from your future.
Q-U-A-N-T-U-M, not actual ships.
Shard is quantum shadows where the device are quantum copies.
See there's some issues with that.
One, I was never pulled into the past or the future to fight along two copies of myself.
Two, I use better gear and know enough to get the **** away from a ship that's about to blow while cranking the shields that are facing the explosion if I'm still withing 2km.
Three, have a competent bridge crew who are able to help make my ship a flying wedge of temporal death.
Four, I don't have any damn tractor beams.
They're not Temporally displaced versions of myself and my ship, not by a long shot.
At the very least set it up so that if the past ship goes you just lose your systems (like Viral Matrix) for a short time, call it a Temporal shockwave or something.