Personally, when I'm writing a mission, I have Starfleet contacts refer to the player by rank, but the player's BOFFs refer to the player as Captain, or Sir.
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This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
Borrow from the shows. Add a dialogue to the missions getting this feedback.
NPC: Aye, sir.
Option A: Proceed
Option B: Don't call me sir.
Option B->
NPC: Why shouldn't I call you "sir"?
Option A: Because I'm a woman.
Option B: I don't like to stand on ceremony.
Both options ->
NPC: It has been Starfleet protocol for decades to address all commanding officers, regardless of gender or preference, as "sir." I understand Admiral Janeway had some issues with that back when she was in the Delta Quadrant but she was 40 years away from command at maximum warp.
Admiral Quinn has reiterated the protocol personally to me. So, while your objection will be noted in my report, Captain, I won't risk disciplinary action with Quinn over my method of address.
My understanding from the episode of Voyager (and at the time of the quote they were not in the delta quadrant, or if I recall correctly, hadn't even left on their mission to intercept/meet the Val Jean), It isn't that Janeway disliked "sir" as a women. Especially since Star Trek had on several occasions tried to establish that earth was at this time much less stuck on gender roles/distinction.
Rather I got the impression that Janeway was far less formal in how she handled things then say Picard. Picard was very by the book, so he tended to be very formal, especially around new crew members. Janeway on the other had struck me as more informal, so rather then have everyone call her "sir" she prefered simply captain.
Borrow from the shows. Add a dialogue to the missions getting this feedback.
NPC: Aye, sir.
Option A: Proceed
Option B: Don't call me sir.
Option B->
NPC: Why shouldn't I call you "sir"?
Option A: Because I'm a woman.
Option B: I don't like to stand on ceremony.
Both options ->
NPC: It has been Starfleet protocol for decades to address all commanding officers, regardless of gender or preference, as "sir." I understand Admiral Janeway had some issues with that back when she was in the Delta Quadrant but she was 40 years away from command at maximum warp.
Admiral Quinn has reiterated the protocol personally to me. So, while your objection will be noted in my report, Captain, I won't risk disciplinary action with Quinn over my method of address.
You'll have to take it up with command, sir.
No option to throw him out the airlock or feed his extremities to the Targs after the open act of defiance? Starfleet's so boredull.
My understanding from the episode of Voyager (and at the time of the quote they were not in the delta quadrant, or if I recall correctly, hadn't even left on their mission to intercept/meet the Val Jean), It isn't that Janeway disliked "sir" as a women. Especially since Star Trek had on several occasions tried to establish that earth was at this time much less stuck on gender roles/distinction.
Rather I got the impression that Janeway was far less formal in how she handled things then say Picard. Picard was very by the book, so he tended to be very formal, especially around new crew members. Janeway on the other had struck me as more informal, so rather then have everyone call her "sir" she prefered simply captain.
Janeway hit me as someone who wanted to make sure everyone knew SHE was in charge. That SHE was the "Captain"
~You COULD (I Don't recomend it as a project) create a branching dialog tree with secondary and tertiary options for male female neuter captains
Heres how I would trigger it
A contact (a strange alien looking ensign) says "forgive me superior person I am unaware of the Gender system of your species how should you be addressed superior person?"
options
"Sir"
"Ma'am"
"By Rank"
"Captain"
"Your moistness"
"you can call me <Name>"
If we cater to that one personal choice, we leave out anyone who doesn't feel that way.
So, instead of just a useless post, how about telling us how we could make that happen ?
If we cannot accomodate every single player's personal choice, isn't it best to go with established cannon protocol ?
Just continuing to stir discussion, I just don't know what your post added.
I submit that you are not stirring discussion, or interested in same. You are looking for confirmation of your preference, your choice, as a Foundry writer. You're upset that you've gotten negative feedback on this choice, from people who disagree with you, and you've come here looking for others who will back you up and say that you're right and they're wrong. And right off the bat, you dismiss someone who points out that it IS a personal choice as irrelevant to the "discussion" you claim you wanted.
Here's the thing. People are going to disagree with you. Some of them will disagree with you enough to tell you so. You can't stop them. You're just going to have to accept that.
(Or, I suppose, you can cover your ears and talk louder. Let me know how that works out for you.)
I submit that you are not stirring discussion, or interested in same. You are looking for confirmation of your preference, your choice, as a Foundry writer. You're upset that you've gotten negative feedback on this choice, from people who disagree with you, and you've come here looking for others who will back you up and say that you're right and they're wrong. And right off the bat, you dismiss someone who points out that it IS a personal choice as irrelevant to the "discussion" you claim you wanted.
Here's the thing. People are going to disagree with you. Some of them will disagree with you enough to tell you so. You can't stop them. You're just going to have to accept that.
(Or, I suppose, you can cover your ears and talk louder. Let me know how that works out for you.)
So , what exactly did I do to you ? To draw such a mean, belittling personal attack ?
Indeed, in this thread, I see varying opinions.
Some from military personel confirming my opinion, and one reference to Star Trek Canon that indicates "Sir" as correct protocol.
I have also seen and been thinking about some wonderful suggestions above by Sollvax and Leviathan99.
So, yes, I am indeed looking for discussion.
I submit that your post has absolutely nothing to add to the discussion and constitutes nothing more than a personal attack for absolutely no reason.
I refuse to respond to you further, and instead am just reporting you now.
Have a nice day.
it CAN be done even by me
however it took over an hour to do a test mission that runs in less than 6 minutes (I need practice I think)
also I had some problem with objective actioning
But as I say im not great at this (I mainly write short combat simulations to test weapons rigs)
This idea of branching dialog has some real merit.
Ask the PC in some interesting in story way how they wish to be addressed.
It would just be tough because it would have to be in every dialog you are going to address them in, as the I cant think of how the choice would carry over.
This idea of branching dialog has some real merit.
Ask the PC in some interesting in story way how they wish to be addressed.
It would just be tough because it would have to be in every dialog you are going to address them in, as the I cant think of how the choice would carry over.
Same maps
The overlap is done by variable triggers
so as i say very basic ground map
if male your mission is to make contact with Thalia (the defector) she weill tell you where the secret plans are
you go and get those
fighting the sentries (if you are detected)
then return to the defector
she arranges to meet you at the shuttle
you go to the shuttle she meets you there mission continues with fight with romulan commander
if female it pans out almost the same except the defector is Marius he sends you to a different location to find a different secret (its a weapon prototype)
the rest of the mission runs the same but HE spawns at the shuttle not Thalia (who frankly is better looking)
and so on
if you select the neuter version the defector is Thalia but there is no romantic sub plot and the romulan commander appears with two escorts
in any case your ship goes into space and has a fight with a single warbird
as I say just a test mission and not exactly very good
Same maps
The overlap is done by variable triggers
so as i say very basic ground map
if male your mission is to make contact with Thalia (the defector) she weill tell you where the secret plans are
you go and get those
fighting the sentries (if you are detected)
then return to the defector
she arranges to meet you at the shuttle
you go to the shuttle she meets you there mission continues with fight with romulan commander
if female it pans out almost the same except the defector is Marius he sends you to a different location to find a different secret (its a weapon prototype)
the rest of the mission runs the same but HE spawns at the shuttle not Thalia (who frankly is better looking)
and so on
if you select the neuter version the defector is Thalia but there is no romantic sub plot and the romulan commander appears with two escorts
in any case your ship goes into space and has a fight with a single warbird
as I say just a test mission and not exactly very good
I like the idea of using triggers for this sort of thing. That would get past the map limit problem. The concepts of how to make a branching story are really tough when everything has to follow that storyboard, but using optional dialogs and interacts that you direct them to if they choose 'male' for example, which lead to non storyboard, optional quests based on their conversation choices.
It's a really good idea, man. Then bring it all back together on the storyboard for the final fight sort of thing. I like it a lot.
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My character Tsin'xing
Which, according to Vulcan/Romulan history, is just a Vulcan.
Sir, Yes Sir!
Gender doesn't factor into it.
The only other way to address a Superior is by rank, Instead of "yes sir." It's "Yes Captain/Commander/Admiral/etc".
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
My character Tsin'xing
However, here's the tweak I would suggest.
Borrow from the shows. Add a dialogue to the missions getting this feedback.
NPC: Aye, sir.
Option A: Proceed
Option B: Don't call me sir.
Option B->
NPC: Why shouldn't I call you "sir"?
Option A: Because I'm a woman.
Option B: I don't like to stand on ceremony.
Both options ->
NPC: It has been Starfleet protocol for decades to address all commanding officers, regardless of gender or preference, as "sir." I understand Admiral Janeway had some issues with that back when she was in the Delta Quadrant but she was 40 years away from command at maximum warp.
Admiral Quinn has reiterated the protocol personally to me. So, while your objection will be noted in my report, Captain, I won't risk disciplinary action with Quinn over my method of address.
You'll have to take it up with command, sir.
Rather I got the impression that Janeway was far less formal in how she handled things then say Picard. Picard was very by the book, so he tended to be very formal, especially around new crew members. Janeway on the other had struck me as more informal, so rather then have everyone call her "sir" she prefered simply captain.
No option to throw him out the airlock or feed his extremities to the Targs after the open act of defiance? Starfleet's so boredull.
Janeway hit me as someone who wanted to make sure everyone knew SHE was in charge. That SHE was the "Captain"
Heres how I would trigger it
A contact (a strange alien looking ensign) says "forgive me superior person I am unaware of the Gender system of your species how should you be addressed superior person?"
options
"Sir"
"Ma'am"
"By Rank"
"Captain"
"Your moistness"
"you can call me <Name>"
I submit that you are not stirring discussion, or interested in same. You are looking for confirmation of your preference, your choice, as a Foundry writer. You're upset that you've gotten negative feedback on this choice, from people who disagree with you, and you've come here looking for others who will back you up and say that you're right and they're wrong. And right off the bat, you dismiss someone who points out that it IS a personal choice as irrelevant to the "discussion" you claim you wanted.
Here's the thing. People are going to disagree with you. Some of them will disagree with you enough to tell you so. You can't stop them. You're just going to have to accept that.
(Or, I suppose, you can cover your ears and talk louder. Let me know how that works out for you.)
So , what exactly did I do to you ? To draw such a mean, belittling personal attack ?
Indeed, in this thread, I see varying opinions.
Some from military personel confirming my opinion, and one reference to Star Trek Canon that indicates "Sir" as correct protocol.
I have also seen and been thinking about some wonderful suggestions above by Sollvax and Leviathan99.
So, yes, I am indeed looking for discussion.
I submit that your post has absolutely nothing to add to the discussion and constitutes nothing more than a personal attack for absolutely no reason.
I refuse to respond to you further, and instead am just reporting you now.
Have a nice day.
it CAN be done even by me
however it took over an hour to do a test mission that runs in less than 6 minutes (I need practice I think)
also I had some problem with objective actioning
But as I say im not great at this (I mainly write short combat simulations to test weapons rigs)
This idea of branching dialog has some real merit.
Ask the PC in some interesting in story way how they wish to be addressed.
It would just be tough because it would have to be in every dialog you are going to address them in, as the I cant think of how the choice would carry over.
I even had a romantic interlude with either a male or female Romulan ensign
The story then linked back together at the tail end for the fight with the enraged Senior Romulan officer
Simply address everyone as "Honored Guest".
Wow, thats a lot of maps and dialogs. How did you do it with the limit on # of maps?
The overlap is done by variable triggers
so as i say very basic ground map
if male your mission is to make contact with Thalia (the defector) she weill tell you where the secret plans are
you go and get those
fighting the sentries (if you are detected)
then return to the defector
she arranges to meet you at the shuttle
you go to the shuttle she meets you there mission continues with fight with romulan commander
if female it pans out almost the same except the defector is Marius he sends you to a different location to find a different secret (its a weapon prototype)
the rest of the mission runs the same but HE spawns at the shuttle not Thalia (who frankly is better looking)
and so on
if you select the neuter version the defector is Thalia but there is no romantic sub plot and the romulan commander appears with two escorts
in any case your ship goes into space and has a fight with a single warbird
as I say just a test mission and not exactly very good
I like the idea of using triggers for this sort of thing. That would get past the map limit problem. The concepts of how to make a branching story are really tough when everything has to follow that storyboard, but using optional dialogs and interacts that you direct them to if they choose 'male' for example, which lead to non storyboard, optional quests based on their conversation choices.
It's a really good idea, man. Then bring it all back together on the storyboard for the final fight sort of thing. I like it a lot.