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So what do I have to do, to get rid of this Rep system

xavithaxavitha Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
This Rep system has to be the most asinine thing ever to come out of this game. Who thought it was a good idea to set up a never ending grindhouse, that not only requires you to grind to get rep, but to grind to get the stupid items its trying to "sell" you, its ridiculous. Why did we have to switch off the old STF? It worked great! I'd rather have new missions, new episodes, and don't call that Tholian TRIBBLE a new episode, that was a grind house too, STOP WITH THE DAMN GRINDING! Someone, please, give me a blasted storyline again! That's what I loved about STO!
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    xavitha wrote: »
    Why did we have to switch off the old STF? It worked great!

    No, it didn't.
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  • darkstarkiriandarkstarkirian Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    walshicus wrote: »
    No, it didn't.

    What he said^^

    You had NO guarantee of getting the Mk XII sets since they where random drop with a low chance.

    The Rep system guarantees you access to them.

    Besides:
    xavitha wrote: »
    ...
    Why did we have to switch off the old STF? It worked great!
    ...
    STOP WITH THE DAMN GRINDING!
    You seem to be contradicting yourself.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Like pretty much every MMO they make long grinds to fill in for the little ammount of missions, episodes, whatever you want to call it because they cannot keep up with the level of progression that some players put in versus the ammount of time it takes to come up with newer expansions.
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  • curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    There's probably nothing you can do to get rid of it. I stopped at tier 3 just because it becomes a rather egregious time sink after that point. If something doesn't feel like it's worth the time to me, I just don't do it. I don't feel the need to be rid of it though, if others enjoy it great.
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  • trellabortrellabor Member Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yes, it's stupid but some people would rather grind through giving away DIL, EC and other commodities while watching a giant timer count down to get their STF gear through this Craputation system rather than keep doing runs until they get the drop they need. People complain that there's too many DIL sinks, and they complain that it's too 'random' the way STF's were before. The old way required a lot less investment, and gave a higher ROI over time in my experience, and no I didn't complete a set of anything during that time though I did see chances and missed rolling on them. I accepted it as it was and kept trying.

    I'd MUCH rather grind the old way than the new way, just a $$$ sink now instead of just your time before. Why do you think the price has crashed on the market? Everyone wants to hang onto their DIL not trade it away for ZEN because there's just too many sinks for it, and we are yet still limited to only 8k per day refining. 'Stupid' is a compliment for this atrocity.
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  • savnokasavnoka Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    xavitha wrote: »
    Someone, please, give me a blasted storyline again! That's what I loved about STO!

    what is this i don't even

    Can we all find a brief moment of lucidity and ask when the last time storyline drove this game?
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  • darkstarkiriandarkstarkirian Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    savnoka wrote: »
    what is this i don't even

    Can we all find a brief moment of lucidity and ask when the last time storyline drove this game?

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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    In about 4 days ill be at tier 5 in each, and i can then buy the item i want, with a known quantity, using fairly minimal grind.

    its not perfect and the getting there can be a pain at times but once you are there its a hell of a lot better than grinding thousands of them with no guarantee in sight.

    yeah i guess its all personal opinion and how it matches your play style at the end of the day but the new way is far better in my opinion. again, not perfect but good enough.
  • tatyanasergeitatyanasergei Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I guess I'm in the minority in that I like the reputation system, then! I can't wait to see more factions added for me to start working on.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    While I agree that the additional grinding was unwelcome, but it's short and easy to complete. Just do 1 STF or Romulan Patrol Daily per day and you're set.

    Right now, there are some hardcore players that have already completed the Reputation system and can relax and focus on other tasks, while others will be complete with the Reputation system this week. So its only bad if you have multiple characters and having to do it multiple times.
  • xavithaxavitha Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    savnoka wrote: »
    what is this i don't even

    Can we all find a brief moment of lucidity and ask when the last time storyline drove this game?

    Uh how about the ENTIRE BLOODY GAME!? From the moment you get your ship, to the final fight in fluidic space its all part of a proper storyline. It worked wonderfully. Then PWI takes over and we get these 3 grindfests, the rep system, the tholians and the new Romulus mission are all grindfests. I liked the stories, and playing other "types" doesn't change it so basicly they have endgame grindfets instead of an evolving story now. And yes, I blame PWI because when it was Cryptic, yes it was slow, but they put great effort into their storylines, making it so you enjoyed playing them, even if it wasn't for gear. I don't play to raid, I don't play to put together a set, I play because I like the story and I want to be a part of it. AS for this rep system I made it to teir one, started to unlock pistols, saw how much rep points it took and said hell with it, I have no intention of doing it. If that means I just sit around doing nothing, then fine I'll play minecraft until they come out with another story, but I'm not going to "grind" endlessly in this rep system to get things I got with the old STF quickly and easily.
  • kagurazaka77kagurazaka77 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I don't understand how there is any additional grinding for the reputation system.

    Old system: Run STFs over and over and over and over and over till you get MK XII drops.

    New system: Run STFs, Red Alerts and Deferi stuff over and over and over till you get enough Omega Marks for MK XII stuff.

    I don't see a difference, other than now you can get (eventually) MK XII stuff from a variety of places, rather than just the STFs.

    And, I know this might come as a shock to some people, but you don't NEED MK XII gear. I get by just fine with my MX XI MACO stuff.
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  • tatyanasergeitatyanasergei Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    kagurazaka77 wrote: »
    And, I know this might come as a shock to some people, but you don't NEED MK XII gear. I get by just fine with my MX XI MACO stuff.

    Quoted for truth, and because these forums lack a 'like' button. People need to remember that XI STF gear is STILL GOOD GEAR.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The reputation system actually gave me a reason to do the STFs. Before Season 7, I just ran the STFs for the Borg set and I would be done with it. The old system had a couple of things I had a minor interest in like the Borg Doffs, but not to the point of where I would want to run an elite STF a hundred times to get one drop. The current system allows me to pick the elite STF I want to play and get all the rewards I want.

    The minority are the lucky ones that never had the bad luck of not getting the drop they want for any of their characters and wish for the old days of being slaves to the almighty RNG. When it takes a maximum of 10 elite STFs to get a Mk XII STF ground equipment and a maximum of 17 elite STFs to get a Mk XII STF space equipment, then the new system is much better than having a person doing 100 elite STFs to get their Mk XII STF piece.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tatyanasergei wrote: »
    Quoted for truth, and because these forums lack a 'like' button. People need to remember that XI STF gear is STILL GOOD GEAR.

    I would agree for the space sets since each Mk looks exactly the same. For the ground sets, people that want the Mk XII version are doing it for the look of the set. Some people might be going for the Adapted sets because it has completely different stats. So until Adapted Mk XI sets come out, then they are required to get 2 Mk XII ground sets. Fortunately, the Omega Mark and Dilithium cost of getting 2 Mk XII ground sets is about the same as getting 1 Mk XII Space Set.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Eh there's good and bad from both old and new alike, while it didn't take me long to grind out all the omega and maco gear at mkxii it did take others a very very long time, but at no major cost other than time. The new system you are pretty much guaranteed to get the omega and maco goodies, just at an outlandish cost credit and dilithium wise. So neither is better impo than the other.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    darkstarkirian wrote: »
    Season 7: New Romulus
    You mean, the part klingons are picking flower to become friends with romulan ? Yeah, that part was quite... surprising...
    The whole S7 storyline is 5 missions and 6 cutscene. Everything else is grind. But those cutscenes are cool, granted.
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  • squonkmansquonkman Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    captainrevo1 wrote: »
    In about 4 days ill be at tier 5 in each, and i can then BUY the item i want, with a known quantity, using fairly minimal grind...


    Yep! With season 7, you don't need to earn stuff. You just buy it!

    A lot of people are praising Cryptic for the rep system. That's probably why we'll never see vaseline as a commodity in this game.
  • phantomeightphantomeight Member Posts: 567 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2012
    The grinding to complete the tiers of the reputation system is minimal.... You can earn the required marks and ec's casually by stumbling about the new content or playing an ESTF with your buddies once a night. Once we get a group we tend to roll through all of the space stfs, skipping hive and we have enough marks for the whole week.

    Playing SB24 once a day is not only fun... it rewards more than enough EC through drops to fund all the mats. The reputation system has progressed the game, and despite the bugs from terrible qa of powers and new items... it will advance STO's model of free to play.

    The issue of DL is really dependent on the person. I only spend DL on end game gear and that is pretty rare... weeks go by without spending DL. As my signature will tell you... its absolutely ridiculous to try to save DL for zen as it's a complete waste of your personal time. You could work one more hour at your job and get way more zen for that period of time than you could possibly earn while in game. Though I understand that people aren't as lucky as others in this economy... or would rather spend considerably more time in game rather than one more our at work...

    Also I don't spend that much zen either... there has been nothing to entice me lately.... though I may get a regent and a few fleet ships soon.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,886 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    Like pretty much every MMO they make long grinds to fill in for the little ammount of missions, episodes, whatever you want to call it because they cannot keep up with the level of progression that some players put in versus the ammount of time it takes to come up with newer expansions.

    This...most if not all MMOs have grinds...long grinds. Like many have said already and I agree with I prefer to have a guarantee as opposed to a very low rare luck chance which luck isn't on my side.
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  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    While the reputation system does improve things, the following quote is why I have not logged in since December 15, 2012:
    xavitha wrote: »
    ...requires you to grind to get rep, but to grind to get the stupid items its trying to "sell" you, its ridiculous...
    rofl...

    First step, you have to grind to get reputation marks (Omega, Romulan, Fleet, etc...), so you can obtain a certain amount of XP required to fulfill tier requirements.

    Second step, you have to grind more reputation marks to claim tiers, so you can unlock the stores for basic weapons, space gear, and ground gear.

    Third step, you have to grind more reputation marks to unlock the store items, so that you can eventually purchase from them.

    Fourth step, you have to grind dilithium to buy the store items, which you had to grind to unlock in the third step.

    Fifth step, you have to grind more reputation marks, so that you can buy the Omega, Adaptive, MACO, and Honor Guard space and ground gear.

    Sixth step, repeat steps one through five for another four times, so that you can get all the pieces you need to fulfill your goals.

    Very, very, very last step, after you worked through the entire five tier system, you realize the items you just obtained cannot be used for anything except grinding. No leveling avatars. No new ranks. No new Featured Episodes. Nothing.

    Its the same problem with the fleet bases and embassies.

    Do you know what Cryptic's answers were?

    "Featured Episodes will be replaced with the Foundry Spotlight."

    "We want you to grind more dilithium, for you are not grinding enough daily."

    "Not enough content to give people new ranks."

    "Our PvP system stinks. Well... Just do it anyway."

    The only thing Cryptic had to do is this:

    Recruiter Space and Ground Gear = 10 edcs
    (each piece)

    Veteran Space and Ground Gear = 15 edcs
    (each piece)

    Elite Space and Ground Gear = 20 edcs
    (each piece)

    Elite Adaptive Space and Ground Gear = 20 edcs + Optional
    (each piece)

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    linyive wrote: »
    While the reputation system does improve things, the following quote is why I have not logged in since December 15, 2012:

    rofl...

    First step, you have to grind to get reputation marks (Omega, Romulan, Fleet, etc...), so you can obtain a certain amount of XP required to fulfill tier requirements.

    Second step, you have to grind more reputation marks to claim tiers, so you can unlock the stores for basic weapons, space gear, and ground gear.

    Third step, you have to grind more reputation marks to unlock the store items, so that you can eventually purchase them.

    Fourth step, you have to grind dilithium to buy the store items, which you had to grind to unlock in the third step.

    Fifth step, you have to grind more reputation marks, so that you can buy the Omega, MACO, and Honor Guard space and ground gear.

    Sixth step, repeat steps one through five for another four times, so that you can get all the pieces you need to fulfill your goals.

    Very, very, very last step, after you worked through the entire five tier system, you realize the items you just obtained cannot be used for anything except grinding. No leveling avatars. No new ranks. No new Featured Episodes. Nothing.


    Its the same problem with the fleet bases and embassies.

    Don't forget about dilithium, to get th adapted wet you need 300k refined.
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  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    darkstarkirian wrote: »
    What he said^^

    You had NO guarantee of getting the Mk XII sets since they where random drop with a low chance.

    The Rep system guarantees you access to them.

    Besides:

    You seem to be contradicting yourself.

    actually, your statement is also contradicting.. as you had access to all of the set bonuses and items b4.. and it was garunteed.. it just rewarded those who dont believe that everything should be handed to them.. and to be honest, it was for a mere what, 6 pts of extra dps.. that is it.. i still dont understand why everyone got their panties in a bunch over it...

    the old system was great.. everyone got their stuff, and the elite who hung in there and worked the content got a little extra edge.. now we are back to sto, everyone is exactly the same cause all of the items are purchasable.... pretty lame and boring if you ask me..

    i will agree, it was a bit "too grindy" but at least it seperated the boys from the men...
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Sorry, but no matter how many people think the new system is absurd and flawed (including myself a little), this is far better than battling a ridiculous random number generator with no guarantee of a drop. I welcome it, but it could definitely stand for some improvement.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    why not have both methods ? for example we have nw maco/kgh sets coming... have the new variants restricted to the Omega rep.. but allow the player to loot the parts for the normal (and optional) visual.
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  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Don't forget about dilithium, to get th adapted wet you need 300k refined.
    Fixed. :)

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  • squonkmansquonkman Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Would anyone of you rep system fans verbalize rationally the relationship between pooring warp coils, major regenerators, large batteries, etc. down the drain and getting "Omega" gear?

    And, by the way, if MK XI gear is enough, then the old system was providing those without the random factor. Oh! But you actually had to play STFs! What a painful grind it was, right?
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    squonkman wrote: »
    Would anyone of you rep system fans verbalize rationally the relationship between pooring warp coils, major regenerators, large batteries, etc. down the drain and getting "Omega" gear?

    And, by the way, if MK XI gear is enough, then the old system was providing those without the random factor. Oh! But you actually had to play STFs! What a painful grind it was, right?

    i sort of agree. i was all for the rep system, till i found out it was exactly like the starbase projects and the embassy.. you shouldnt get rep for simply dumping commodities or dil.. you should get it for physically helping.. giving provisions and what not is cool part of the time.. but it should be like other games.. you complete an stf, you get omega rep. you complete a romulan mission, you get romulan rep...

    this system works for now while there are two reps.. but what heppens when they start adding other reps like they have stated they are gonna.. half this game is played without actually playing.. again starbase projects.. doff missions.. embassey, rep. pretty soon youll be able to put your character on autopilot and sit back and enjoy dinner while it plays for you.. there is nothing fun about it...

    and besides for the frop rate of a few things, there was nothing wrong with the old system.. you still got mk 11 stuff as fast as you do now.. and far cheaper.. it was a waste of time to reimagine it and come up with this farse.. that time could have been better spent making story missions, or even a new group of stf's that furthered the story line..

    the problem is most of the players in this game are console players, not used to having to really work for gear and prestiege, now they are turning this game into a single player game.. it is sickening..

    p.s. i do think that it was "too" much of a grind before.. but the real answer would have been to make the drop rate a little better, and spend the time on making a "meaningfull" rep. system.. not this rushed overused system they gave us..
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    squonkman wrote: »
    Yep! With season 7, you don't need to earn stuff. You just buy it!

    How exactly is "Run STFs hoping for a Random Lucky Drop (that could, if you're really lucky, come Very Soon)" earning the gear, but running STFs to get through the rep system (and obtain the resources you need to then purchase the items) not earning it? You still have to do a bunch of stuff before you can obtain the gear - it's not like you logged in after S7 hit and the equipment showed up in your mailbox.



    (On this theory, working for a lottery ticket an hour, until you get that $100k payoff is earning it but working for a set salary for that same $100k isn't earning it. That's strange.)
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    kiralyn wrote: »
    How exactly is "Run STFs hoping for a Random Lucky Drop (that could, if you're really lucky, come Very Soon)" earning the gear, but running STFs to get through the rep system (and obtain the resources you need to then purchase the items) not earning it? You still have to do a bunch of stuff before you can obtain the gear - it's not like you logged in after S7 hit and the equipment showed up in your mailbox.



    (On this theory, working for a lottery ticket an hour, until you get that $100k payoff is earning it but working for a set salary for that same $100k isn't earning it. That's strange.)

    because honestly, you could do infected space elites only, and get all the gear.. so for those of us who do the more difficult ones, we still get the same shake.. kinda sounds unbalanced to me..

    also, note that i know it still takes work.. but you dont really have to run more than an stf every few days to earn the stf gear now.. kinda sounds TRIBBLE...
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