The New Romulan t5 space set sucks. It just a clone of the reman set with a handful of inconsequential stat changes. I hope it's currently just a placeholder, cause it reeks of halfassedness
I wouldn't have used these harsh words to describe this issue, but yeah ... the Romulan Space Set is very disappointing in its current form. It's a direct copy of the already well known Reman Set save for a single minor stat change per item and its set bonuses are exactly the same: Speedbonus for plasmatorpedos and covariant shield cells.
Considering even the item description are a copy & and paste from the Reman Set (and actually even speak of a Reman Set despite it being Romulan) I do hope that the release on tribble is just an accidental placeholder.
give more feedback why does is suck and be specific.
There is already a thread on why the Reman set sucks on multiple levels, and it transfers fantastically to the Romulan set for obvious reasons. It does not compete with the other endgame sets, it's totally inferior.
Of course, I already explained why the Romulan set sucks regardless of how bad the reman set does. It's a copy paste of the Reman set. Which is incredibly lazy and halfassed for one of the premium T5 rewards for the Romulan Reputation. Like I said, I'm just hoping its a placeholder, because its pretty disappointing to think they would consider this acceptable.
I've been thinking about this space set for weeks. I was going to get to see what stats it had this weekend. I decided to "cheat" by going on the test server to see it. Boy, I can't describe what I think of this space set but I'll try...
For starters I'm really hoping that what I saw is not going to be the final product. Maybe someone forgot to finish it. Whatever. But if it is the final intended product...
Let's just say, wow what a halfassed lazy job. Maybe I was expecting too much, but whatever I was expecting for was nothing like what I'm seeing. Much of my disappointment is with the set bonuses. The stat differences aren't all that different but I could live with them. But the set bonus? Really? No one could be bothered to work on this? Seemed like an opportune time to give a set bonus 30% to plasma projectile damage with a second bonus being a fully functional cloaking device(harrr I like to daydream) or maybe something like cloaking but gimpy, only can be used every so often sort of deal or whatever, but I don't mean that mask energy field business nor do I want it. That already exists for a set. I want something different.
But instead we get a copy/paste job with a few stats changed. Awesome. I think the appearance of it is different from reman at the very least but that is rather meaningless imho when stats were mostly copy/pasted.
Lastly, what's the problem here? Was it lazy, halfassed work? Was it forgot about? Or did someone imagine some kind of a problem with a romulan space set having it's own unique romulan-ish perks along with the other romulan space set? Did someone forget to give the stat designer his paycheck and he walked out? Are you hiding the final product because it smells of awesome and you don't want to spoil the surprise? I don't understaaaaand.
An innate cloak seems a bit overpowered and I doubt feds will ever get one which isn't basically a short mask energy field. Still, this set could have been so much more interesting, but instead we get a copy of an already existing set.
Why not give it a plasma damage bonus or an increase of duration/damage of plasma DoT's for a two-piece set bonus? At least this would be something new and is not already in another set in this game.
Also we need visuals for the deflector and the engine. I would find it fitting if the latter would paint the nacelles of a starship in a light blue/green, exactly how they are on a Romulan ship.
Lastly, what's the problem here? Was it lazy, halfassed work?
Have you looked at the rest of the reputation rewards that do the exact same thing? (copied and pasted from other items, unfinished work passed off as completed content, horribly bugged and untested TRIBBLE, etc.)
Bort flat out admitted they pushed the entire system out unfinished, and hoped to be able to fix it before nobody noticed.
Bort flat out admitted they pushed the entire system out unfinished, and hoped to be able to fix it before nobody noticed.
In their defence if people hadn't bitched and moaned that it took too long, forcing the devs to half the amount of time it took to complete the rep system, they may well have had a lot of it fixed before people noticed.
I suspected this set would not be worthwhile. Well that decides it, not wasting time with romulan rep anymore at all. No point in going past t2 for the nice passive and console really, plasma energy weapons, plasma torps, and reman and rom set all junk, not worth the effort. Glad I adopted a wait and see aproach with romulan rep and took my time with it.
In their defence if people hadn't bitched and moaned that it took too long, forcing the devs to half the amount of time it took to complete the rep system, they may well have had a lot of it fixed before people noticed.
So because Cryptic changed something to accelerate the progression, it's not their fault for pushing an unfinished, incomplete, bug-ridden mess to live and passing it off as a finished product?
The reputation system was one of the defining features of season 7. Instead of actually taking their time and getting it right (and by right I mean finished, bug-free, etc.) they rushed it out. And now we have to deal with them saying "You remember that thing we sold you on S7 with? Yeah...we completely lied about most of it".
IMO the only item in the entire Romulan rep system worth getting is the Zero Point module. The 1.8% CrtH bonus is nice. Don't really have use for the rest of the stuff.
They removed the STF store to make way for the "new and improved" rep system, which not getting into the whole dil/ec/grind of it was supposed to be the gateway to new and improved endgame gear.
This game has so many options for space sets now, but the problem is the only 3 that are viable are still the Borg, MACO, Omega ones. I leveled a new character post season 7 release and the whole time had the hopes they'd add the Aegis set to the Rep system and finally give it the re-balance it needs because the visuals are amazing for it, but the stats just plain suck. Not only did any of this not happen, but from what everyone is saying all the space sets in the rep system are the same as before or copy/paste.
A Positron deflector shouldn't have better hull/shield stats then an endgame grindfest one.
Shields of any space set should have anti-borg stats
Endgame engines should all have the driver coil/transwarp 14 bonus, effective at high/low energy and either increased turn or increased speed.
Basically really it should come down to simply which one you like the best visually and which one has the best stats for you, not which one you'll suffer with because it has the best everything. One thing I would really love to see happen is that the set bonuses become "rep system piece bonuses" meaning it doesn't matter what "set" the pieces are from and the set bonus and visuals are customization.
Would have been nice if they made
the Romulan space set a hybrid version of the
maco and klingon honor guard with small bonus of the borg set.
but to me all the space ship sets need to be redesigned
people are way to dependent on the borg set of the healing
bonus and so majority of the other space sets dont get used.
I would appreciate if we could get some information by a dev regarding the state of the Romulan space set, in terms of if it is really a work in progress or working as intended.
This is considered working as designed for the time being.
The purpose of the Romulan Space Set is that it is a valid option to be considered in lieu of obtaining the Reman Space Set. It offers a stat variation that some captains may prefer over the Reman Set, and a different ship overlay visual with the Shield.
They have the same set bonuses, the same costs in the Reputation System and the same tier requirements.
Again, it's an optional variation of the existing set. Not intended to be an upgrade.
Of course... saying this doesn't preclude the set from being reviewed, tuned and changed in the future.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
This is considered working as designed for the time being.
The purpose of the Romulan Space Set is that it is a valid option to be considered in lieu of obtaining the Reman Space Set. It offers a stat variation that some captains may prefer over the Reman Set, and a different ship overlay visual with the Shield.
They have the same set bonuses, the same costs in the Reputation System and the same tier requirements.
Again, it's an optional variation of the existing set. Not intended to be an upgrade.
Of course... saying this doesn't preclude the set from being reviewed, tuned and changed in the future.
How does it and the Reman set compare to the STF sets?
I can understand that the Reman set is unchanged, but we were all expecting something new with the Romulan one. Maybe not an endgame set but something closer to that.
This is considered working as designed for the time being.
The purpose of the Romulan Space Set is that it is a valid option to be considered in lieu of obtaining the Reman Space Set. It offers a stat variation that some captains may prefer over the Reman Set, and a different ship overlay visual with the Shield.
They have the same set bonuses, the same costs in the Reputation System and the same tier requirements.
Again, it's an optional variation of the existing set. Not intended to be an upgrade.
Of course... saying this doesn't preclude the set from being reviewed, tuned and changed in the future.
I have one alt I have a fleet somraw raptor on that is a science officer that the romulan set as it is right now would be perfect for. The romulan/reman sets primarily would be something imo that someone would use if they combine two heavy elements such as a heavy tact ship with heavy buff/healing captain only skills or vice versa. Basically use the set to help flesh out any weaknesses in a given persons setup but thats how i'm viewing its functionality.
This is considered working as designed for the time being.
The purpose of the Romulan Space Set is that it is a valid option to be considered in lieu of obtaining the Reman Space Set. It offers a stat variation that some captains may prefer over the Reman Set, and a different ship overlay visual with the Shield.
They have the same set bonuses, the same costs in the Reputation System and the same tier requirements.
Again, it's an optional variation of the existing set. Not intended to be an upgrade.
Of course... saying this doesn't preclude the set from being reviewed, tuned and changed in the future.
Mark XII Borg sets: Tier 5 Omega Reputation
Mark XII Romulan/Reman sets: Tier 5 Romulan Reputation
Is there any reason why these sets aren't EQUAL in terms of power, when they are equal in difficulty of obtaining? (Romulan/Reman sets are technically harder to obtain, since you don't have any STFs that award Romulan Marks)
ive been meaning to look into what the stats and set bonuses are. from the tool tip i could see in the rep store, they are extreamly similar to reman set. does anyone know what the rom set bonuses are? really need to check it out on tribble at some point
Mark XII Romulan/Reman sets: Tier 5 Romulan Reputation
Is there any reason why these sets aren't EQUAL in terms of power, when they are equal in difficulty of obtaining? (Romulan/Reman sets are technically harder to obtain, since you don't have any STFs that award Romulan Marks)
Romulan marks are crazy easy to get via epohh breeding, and you can do most of the work to get them while offline. While I wouldn't be sad if the sets were as powerful, to say the journey to tier 5 is equally difficult is not at all true. I got 1300 Romluan marks from the winter epohhs without more then 5-10 mins a day effort, and had I been really serious about it I could have gotten a lot more. How long would it take to get 1300 Borg marks?
Romulan marks are crazy easy to get via epohh breeding, and you can do most of the work to get them while offline. While I wouldn't be sad if the sets were as powerful, to say the journey to tier 5 is equally difficult is not at all true. I got 1300 Romluan marks from the winter epohhs without more then 5-10 mins a day effort, and had I been really serious about it I could have gotten a lot more. How long would it take to get 1300 Borg marks?
10 minutes a day running ISE for 75+ marks a run, plus about 1k dil and a borg thingie. Even faster if you run ISE in a premade.
So anyways I went to do the Romulan Engine project and after a god awful amount of resources I click collect and get a Reman Engine. I am kind of hoping I don't hear back the attitude I did last year when season 5 had a bug like this where they said tough luck but you'll have to grind it back after we fix it or if they will actually exchange this for the one I was *trying* to get.
I won't hold my breathe but I would say that it would be redundant for you to ask me to vote for you in one of these contests but yet when we as players need your help the customer service isn't there.
you know what would be really nice? A set the benefits broad-side cruiser, or at the very least broadside torps. None of the endgame sets have set bonuses and parts that benefit tanking broadside cruisers. I'm running a 2-piece maco with a fleet component because the repluser is almost useless for me
This is considered working as designed for the time being.
The purpose of the Romulan Space Set is that it is a valid option to be considered in lieu of obtaining the Reman Space Set. It offers a stat variation that some captains may prefer over the Reman Set, and a different ship overlay visual with the Shield.
They have the same set bonuses, the same costs in the Reputation System and the same tier requirements.
Again, it's an optional variation of the existing set. Not intended to be an upgrade.
Of course... saying this doesn't preclude the set from being reviewed, tuned and changed in the future.
Thanks for the reply. However, this still very confusing. Why would you make a copy of an existing set? I mean, I'm pretty sure every player at least expected some new set bonuses, because that's what we get from the Omega gear. The romulan reputation system therefore looks a bit unfinished to me. Would you guys at least consider adding a different two-piece set bonus? There were already a few suggestions here on the forums, like a passive boost to plasma weapons/plasma DoTs instead of the torpedo speed bonus.
Also do you plan on adding visuals for the deflector and the engine? No need to add something fancy, but a few color changes like green warp nacelles and warp trails would be great!
you know what would be really nice? A set the benefits broad-side cruiser, or at the very least broadside torps. None of the endgame sets have set bonuses and parts that benefit tanking broadside cruisers. I'm running a 2-piece maco with a fleet component because the repluser is almost useless for me
Almost every set favors tanking cruisers... the only one that doesn't is Omega.
Almost every set favors tanking cruisers... the only one that doesn't is Omega.
Or the polaron that favors the bug ship. Or the temporal one that favors the temporal ships. Or the KHG/Adapted MACO one that favors science torpboats.
Almost every set favors tanking cruisers... the only one that doesn't is Omega.
The only contradiction to one is the enigma of raptors in their manner of being as large as a cruiser in hull but setup like an escort so it could benefit from all sets depending on how you set it up
Or the polaron that favors the bug ship. Or the temporal one that favors the temporal ships. Or the KHG/Adapted MACO one that favors science torpboats.
The jem'hadar isn't a Mk XII set, plus it works just as well for anyone using Polaron. The victory is life thing doesn't even work.
The Temporal isn't even a eng/defl/shield set, and that you'd choose to bring it into the argument points out just how weak your point is,
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Considering even the item description are a copy & and paste from the Reman Set (and actually even speak of a Reman Set despite it being Romulan) I do hope that the release on tribble is just an accidental placeholder.
There is already a thread on why the Reman set sucks on multiple levels, and it transfers fantastically to the Romulan set for obvious reasons. It does not compete with the other endgame sets, it's totally inferior.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=6316591
Of course, I already explained why the Romulan set sucks regardless of how bad the reman set does. It's a copy paste of the Reman set. Which is incredibly lazy and halfassed for one of the premium T5 rewards for the Romulan Reputation. Like I said, I'm just hoping its a placeholder, because its pretty disappointing to think they would consider this acceptable.
For starters I'm really hoping that what I saw is not going to be the final product. Maybe someone forgot to finish it. Whatever. But if it is the final intended product...
Let's just say, wow what a halfassed lazy job. Maybe I was expecting too much, but whatever I was expecting for was nothing like what I'm seeing. Much of my disappointment is with the set bonuses. The stat differences aren't all that different but I could live with them. But the set bonus? Really? No one could be bothered to work on this? Seemed like an opportune time to give a set bonus 30% to plasma projectile damage with a second bonus being a fully functional cloaking device(harrr I like to daydream) or maybe something like cloaking but gimpy, only can be used every so often sort of deal or whatever, but I don't mean that mask energy field business nor do I want it. That already exists for a set. I want something different.
But instead we get a copy/paste job with a few stats changed. Awesome. I think the appearance of it is different from reman at the very least but that is rather meaningless imho when stats were mostly copy/pasted.
Lastly, what's the problem here? Was it lazy, halfassed work? Was it forgot about? Or did someone imagine some kind of a problem with a romulan space set having it's own unique romulan-ish perks along with the other romulan space set? Did someone forget to give the stat designer his paycheck and he walked out? Are you hiding the final product because it smells of awesome and you don't want to spoil the surprise? I don't understaaaaand.
Why not give it a plasma damage bonus or an increase of duration/damage of plasma DoT's for a two-piece set bonus? At least this would be something new and is not already in another set in this game.
Also we need visuals for the deflector and the engine. I would find it fitting if the latter would paint the nacelles of a starship in a light blue/green, exactly how they are on a Romulan ship.
Have you looked at the rest of the reputation rewards that do the exact same thing? (copied and pasted from other items, unfinished work passed off as completed content, horribly bugged and untested TRIBBLE, etc.)
Bort flat out admitted they pushed the entire system out unfinished, and hoped to be able to fix it before nobody noticed.
In their defence if people hadn't bitched and moaned that it took too long, forcing the devs to half the amount of time it took to complete the rep system, they may well have had a lot of it fixed before people noticed.
So because Cryptic changed something to accelerate the progression, it's not their fault for pushing an unfinished, incomplete, bug-ridden mess to live and passing it off as a finished product?
The reputation system was one of the defining features of season 7. Instead of actually taking their time and getting it right (and by right I mean finished, bug-free, etc.) they rushed it out. And now we have to deal with them saying "You remember that thing we sold you on S7 with? Yeah...we completely lied about most of it".
This game has so many options for space sets now, but the problem is the only 3 that are viable are still the Borg, MACO, Omega ones. I leveled a new character post season 7 release and the whole time had the hopes they'd add the Aegis set to the Rep system and finally give it the re-balance it needs because the visuals are amazing for it, but the stats just plain suck. Not only did any of this not happen, but from what everyone is saying all the space sets in the rep system are the same as before or copy/paste.
A Positron deflector shouldn't have better hull/shield stats then an endgame grindfest one.
Shields of any space set should have anti-borg stats
Endgame engines should all have the driver coil/transwarp 14 bonus, effective at high/low energy and either increased turn or increased speed.
Basically really it should come down to simply which one you like the best visually and which one has the best stats for you, not which one you'll suffer with because it has the best everything. One thing I would really love to see happen is that the set bonuses become "rep system piece bonuses" meaning it doesn't matter what "set" the pieces are from and the set bonus and visuals are customization.
for example I would have for a 3 piece set bonus:
%5 defense
reactive shielding
+30 to shield emitters
(just for random example)
Borg Engine
Maco shield
Breen Deflector
Aegis Visuals
the Romulan space set a hybrid version of the
maco and klingon honor guard with small bonus of the borg set.
but to me all the space ship sets need to be redesigned
people are way to dependent on the borg set of the healing
bonus and so majority of the other space sets dont get used.
The purpose of the Romulan Space Set is that it is a valid option to be considered in lieu of obtaining the Reman Space Set. It offers a stat variation that some captains may prefer over the Reman Set, and a different ship overlay visual with the Shield.
They have the same set bonuses, the same costs in the Reputation System and the same tier requirements.
Again, it's an optional variation of the existing set. Not intended to be an upgrade.
Of course... saying this doesn't preclude the set from being reviewed, tuned and changed in the future.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
How does it and the Reman set compare to the STF sets?
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God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I have one alt I have a fleet somraw raptor on that is a science officer that the romulan set as it is right now would be perfect for. The romulan/reman sets primarily would be something imo that someone would use if they combine two heavy elements such as a heavy tact ship with heavy buff/healing captain only skills or vice versa. Basically use the set to help flesh out any weaknesses in a given persons setup but thats how i'm viewing its functionality.
Mark XII Borg sets: Tier 5 Omega Reputation
Mark XII Romulan/Reman sets: Tier 5 Romulan Reputation
Is there any reason why these sets aren't EQUAL in terms of power, when they are equal in difficulty of obtaining? (Romulan/Reman sets are technically harder to obtain, since you don't have any STFs that award Romulan Marks)
Romulan marks are crazy easy to get via epohh breeding, and you can do most of the work to get them while offline. While I wouldn't be sad if the sets were as powerful, to say the journey to tier 5 is equally difficult is not at all true. I got 1300 Romluan marks from the winter epohhs without more then 5-10 mins a day effort, and had I been really serious about it I could have gotten a lot more. How long would it take to get 1300 Borg marks?
10 minutes a day running ISE for 75+ marks a run, plus about 1k dil and a borg thingie. Even faster if you run ISE in a premade.
I won't hold my breathe but I would say that it would be redundant for you to ask me to vote for you in one of these contests but yet when we as players need your help the customer service isn't there.
Thanks for the reply. However, this still very confusing. Why would you make a copy of an existing set? I mean, I'm pretty sure every player at least expected some new set bonuses, because that's what we get from the Omega gear. The romulan reputation system therefore looks a bit unfinished to me. Would you guys at least consider adding a different two-piece set bonus? There were already a few suggestions here on the forums, like a passive boost to plasma weapons/plasma DoTs instead of the torpedo speed bonus.
Also do you plan on adding visuals for the deflector and the engine? No need to add something fancy, but a few color changes like green warp nacelles and warp trails would be great!
Almost every set favors tanking cruisers... the only one that doesn't is Omega.
Or the polaron that favors the bug ship. Or the temporal one that favors the temporal ships. Or the KHG/Adapted MACO one that favors science torpboats.
The only contradiction to one is the enigma of raptors in their manner of being as large as a cruiser in hull but setup like an escort so it could benefit from all sets depending on how you set it up
The jem'hadar isn't a Mk XII set, plus it works just as well for anyone using Polaron. The victory is life thing doesn't even work.
The Temporal isn't even a eng/defl/shield set, and that you'd choose to bring it into the argument points out just how weak your point is,
So I shouldn't bother talking about the Ferengi one? Sector Space Tycoon!