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Kerrat. Misson element conflicts with PvP element.
rustiswordz
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OK I thought i'd give Kerrat another run after quite a bit of a break. So i flew over there and got cracking.
I was warned abou the PVP fights between KDF and FED. Being no good at PvP at all I let them fight on and proceeded to take on the Borg and Scan the nodes and blow up the other node things.
I was doing well I got 2 1st place purples and 1 2nd place Blue.
Then the raging started at me. 'Stop attacking the borg!' 'Stop completing the misson!' from Pvp players who just want to kill eachother. The raging was quite unpleasant so i TW back to ESD vowing not to return to Keratt again. This got me thinking.
The Zone is in conflict between the PvP players and those who want to run the misson for the gear. Am I missing the point here?
The misson would make a great standalone STF. If you want PvP go off and use a PvP zone, there should be a frrely avalible PvP zone like Keratt where people can blast themselves to bits where the only misson is to kill each other. I want to run the misson not get owned by over powered PvP players.
Its time to seperate the two out. They are incompatible.
Complaint.
I was warned abou the PVP fights between KDF and FED. Being no good at PvP at all I let them fight on and proceeded to take on the Borg and Scan the nodes and blow up the other node things.
I was doing well I got 2 1st place purples and 1 2nd place Blue.
Then the raging started at me. 'Stop attacking the borg!' 'Stop completing the misson!' from Pvp players who just want to kill eachother. The raging was quite unpleasant so i TW back to ESD vowing not to return to Keratt again. This got me thinking.
The Zone is in conflict between the PvP players and those who want to run the misson for the gear. Am I missing the point here?
The misson would make a great standalone STF. If you want PvP go off and use a PvP zone, there should be a frrely avalible PvP zone like Keratt where people can blast themselves to bits where the only misson is to kill each other. I want to run the misson not get owned by over powered PvP players.
Its time to seperate the two out. They are incompatible.
Complaint.
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but dont change ker'ret
kerret is a wonderful place, it offers a semi-free for all pvp wise, and when a bunch of cubes join the fray it makes things all the more interesting,
Simply ignore the silly moaners who cry about the instance resetting, though tbh it BENEFITS them, because it brings every single ship to a fixed point to do battle, its a win for them, they dont have to hunt down stragglers, but stupid people can cry.
Kerret is a wonderfully unique place, pvpve.. its so much more interesting than 5man pvp teams where one side is a ppremade and it becomes as 1 sided as.. a 1sided fight >.<
but yeah, my overall response, ignore the silly pvpers, its your right and responsibilty to do the mission
If you don't like fighting other players... go do SB24... or The Gorn Fleet action... and stay out. You can get purple gear there if you like.
Its a PvP warzone... yes you can complete the mission if you like and so can the other side. Trash talking is what happens there... it is a PVP zone, expect it and if you don't like it don't go.
Klinks have 3 missions that involve PvP that reward Dilihtium... two for blowing people up and one for being blown up. If you don't want to be apart of those missions for the klingon players don't take your feds there.
Kerrat is one of the few PvP things in this game that in fact works as intended.
As mentioned, I'd ignore them (I'd actually try to complete it faster just to irritate them more - but that's just me)... if they want to duel each other or have little fights, there are plenty of ways for them to do that.
Much like those complaining about PvP in Ker'rat need to understand that it's also a PvP zone, those that would complain about somebody completing the mission in there need to understand it's also a PvE zone. It goes both ways.
If they do not want it to complete as fast - they can actually do something about it... rather than cry and whine about it. It actually kind of makes them look... er, well yeah - anyway - lol.
Do you even Science Bro?
But that's the nifty potential of Ker'rat - you should be doing both.
Each side should be trying to complete the mission while stopping the other side from completing the mission while dealing with the Borg.
Do you split forces? Do you stay together and race around? Do you just head over to wipe out the other side and keep them tied up while a guy or two complete it? Do you just slaughter them over and over until they give up and leave...then complete it?
So many things...
...all ignored.
Were it a queue job, it might be different - there's just too much broken with it as an open area for it to work as they probably intended it to work...
This makes me laugh, because its so true
People who want good loot focus on the mission, while pretty much everyone else is there to PVP in a none-structured, non-queue-gated fun for all
Do not change Ker'ret. PvP is vital to its existance.
When enough KDF work together we attack the feds others try to complete the mission.
R.I.P
I mean Ker'rat is an excellent source of a lot of things, PvPing, Dil, and EC.
You can ignore, or mostly ignore the PvP part if you want, but the dil you can get, and the possibility of Mk XII items is too good to pass up.
Really, just try and not let it get to you. Just be understanding that with it being an open PvP, you have to expect anything and everything. There are no rules, no guard tower...only a magnetic shield prevents beaming.
But really though, no rules or anything in there, so regardless of what people may despise, like SNB DOFFs, Tric mines, Energy Drain builds, Danube Spam, etc, it can all possibly be there.
I can't remember the last time I saw the Ker'rat mission outside of collecting them while leveling a new toon (I'll do the tut one and then save the rest at each tier until 50 and get them out of the way at once for that nice boost to Dil)...
...it's almost always C&H, Arena, or both - never Ker'rat.
Can't remember the last time I went to Ker'rat for anything other than to break the monotony of the S7 grinds...meh.
The warp sequence wouldn't be an issue if they fixed it so with a restart the Feds actually warped in at the Fed spawn though. Fixing the warp sequence might resolve part of the issue, but you're still looking at the Feds being at the wrong spawn... and likely warping into a Theta 'n Tric Deathtrap.
It seems to be kinda random. Maybe I'm just lucky. *shrug*
Even so, the EC is still good, fighting Borg, getting Mk XII stuff, all without dealing with ship injuries.
If you want to PVP go off and use a PVP zone.
Well, if you want to PVE, go off and use a PVE zone. Like the 4-5 story arcs, several dozen Fleetmark, Rommie Mark, Fleet Action or STF missions not to mention the FOUNDRY, where you cannot be chased by mean PVPers who have about 4 space maps in order to play with.
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its the perfect solution to the "fleet marks/omega marks/romulan marks/any future marks" issue.
kerrat is borg. it should give omega marks as a reward.
take the kerrat map and replace the borg with -insert whatever mark species is needed- so it is then "themed" for whatever it needs to be.
solves all the problems with a map type that they half-heartedly put into the game in the first play.
make use of it.
Do you even Science Bro?
I agree with you on how this map's possible daily mission SHOULD work. Doing the daily mission gives X omega marks. Maybe even give a small amount of Omega marks for completing the Mission.. like say 1 or 2.
As far as the topic at hand..
The people who were whining about what you were doing were in the wrong. Yes, it's a PVP Zone. But it also has PVE elements. Whining about it was silly. If you don't like the PVP Element, don't play in the zone. And if you don't like the PVE element, don't play in the zone. Works both ways. :P
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Even if we agree with that, can we still complain about Borg hiding in terrain while firing at you - the broken Fed warp on the restart - that there's still stretchy Borg - that instead of the Tacts showing as friendly, they should warp in when the next stage begins - that the announcement of the next stage shouldn't break cloak - and well... even if we agree with that, can we still complain about all the rest?
We are allowed to complain about all the technical bugs, glitches, and broken effects in Ker'rat that have been wrong with the zone either from Launch, or perhaps more recently.
Complaining how ever about the fact that your in a Map that has both PVE and PVP, because you don't like one part or the other, is silly since there are plenty of other options to do out side of Ker'rat. :P
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
But that's sort of the thing. You're not supposed to complain about them completing the zone so fast...you're supposed to kill them so they don't.
Does get you a lot of hate PMs though lol. Lots of farmers are suprised they actually have to pvp too sometimes in a pvp zone.
Heh, I never get any PMs in game...unless I'm on the same team. I fly anon.
But yeah, it's kind of funny in zone chat.
RandomGuy: Why don't you go find somebody that wants to fight?
Me: You came to Ker'rat - you want to fight.
Those complaining about the PvP aspect. . .there are a lot of other places to Kirk your heart out. PvP should be the predominant goal in Ker'rat, because it's one of the few places in-game for it.
About the folks complaining about the mission getting finished quickly: Ignore 'em. They're just irritated about the reset/warp-out nonsense that tends to disrupt gameplay by having an annoying spawncamp right on the KDF spawn (despite the fact that the feddies whine whenever the KDF bothers to spawncamp their end).
Yeah, shooting the Borg gets boring after the 10-15th cube being blown up. At least with the farmers, you get a chance of listening them QQ about getting blown up in a free-fire PvP zone, or complaining about 'dishonorable' battlecloaks (despite there being nothing more honorable than victory), and so on.
The moral of this story is that PvP and Gear/ dill hunters need to be more tolerant of each other and just enjoy the zone. There is no right or wrong way to play this.
Sounds like you won.