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So now we need 5 environmental suits to play the game?
logicalspock
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I just got the New Romulus Tier 4 mission and noticed now not only do I need an environmental suit, but I have to track down and locate one for each of my BOFFs and find a place to store them while not in use.
I admit it does add an interesting aspect to the game, but this is really quite frustrating, especially since we do not have the ability to replicate a basic suit for our BOFFs. The mission stopped cold while I figured out where I could get some suits.
Luckily for me, I had some extras in my bank, but this is going to be really frustrating for a lot of players.
EDIT: Another interesting thing is that the visuals do not show on some of the suits if "hide armor visuals" is enabled but they do show on others.
I admit it does add an interesting aspect to the game, but this is really quite frustrating, especially since we do not have the ability to replicate a basic suit for our BOFFs. The mission stopped cold while I figured out where I could get some suits.
Luckily for me, I had some extras in my bank, but this is going to be really frustrating for a lot of players.
EDIT: Another interesting thing is that the visuals do not show on some of the suits if "hide armor visuals" is enabled but they do show on others.
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Or they drop like candy on Nakuru for mission rewards
Or the exchange
Edit although I agree its not clear if you don't know.
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Now you have to drop the mission, go out and earn some dilithium, figure out where to buy the suits, and then come back and pick the mission up.
Not very smooth at all.
Cryptic is usually a lot better at this sort of thing, like how they give you a free shuttle slot for The Vault and a free shuttle and make it part of the mission.
BOFFs should automatically don a basic suit that does not need to be kept in your inventor with the option to equip them with a premium suit.
There should be a free basic suit for players (like the free frequency) re-sequencers and you should get a dialog telling you that you can replicate them.
/facepalm
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Learn to play and explore the game. There are probably so many on the exchange that they are under 1000EC. I actually have three of the MKXII Crystalline Shell Ground Set that I converted from the levelless set (http://www.stowiki.org/Crystalline_Shell) via the lobi store.
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However, I do think it should be explained at the start of the mission that you're going to need everyone in a suit.
(If it does then that's my bad I don't have T4 yet)
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That is a complete non sequitur.
My thesis is not that it is impossible to get the suits, but rather that if you do not have them already, it really is a gameplay stopper and very bad design.
When you play one of the missions that requires a small spacecraft, you automatically get a free ship slot and free shuttle craft as part of the mission. This is good gameplay design, because you are not left wondering how you should get the shuttle craft and free up a slot for it.
On the other hand, this mission just basically dumps you into a situation where it tells you you need an environmental suit, but doesn't tell you that your BOFFs need one, doesn't given you the opportunity to get one. It just assumes that all players have them already or if they do not, will stop their gameplay and figure it out.
I should also point out that all my environmental suits are bound to character, which means if I ever want to level up another character in the Romulan reputation (which I probably will not), I have to go out and get five new suits.
Or better yet have one of those crates right beside the entrance light up and give you a 5-pack of the Boldly They Rode freebies.
But if they had them in the replicator, then we could have EVA suit exploration missions!
Again, I think having such an aspect in a mission is nice o some level, but to basically say "Surprise, you also need this!" is (IMO) not a well thought out implementation.
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I do agree with most of what you have said as my post was meant to be a bit provocative about how this really shouldn't be that bad of a problem. You are right, for the starbase incursion they gave lights, for the insect stuff they gave insect repellent, dilithium mining gave one suit and so on. It would be better game design if it was more clear and they handed out cheap suits for those that didn't have any.
The only argument I have to your points is that it has been announced or at least mentioned in the past that there would be missions that would require EVA suits for BOffs. It's one of the reasons why I played the heck out of Nukura and collected Crystalline Shell sets in the first place. I have even considered buying BOff slots and putting together four BOffs that would have these sets slotted so I could just select them instead of moving gear around.
Also, I do accept that it is common that not every player follows the forums, reads patch notes, etc.. which would justify offering cheap suits for those that come unprepared. The main point of my first post was to be a jerk about how obtaining them is not costly or a pain in the rear and that no one should be paying DL for them.
Plus, you can get them from the mining station near DS9 for 800 EC.
I went back to the staging area and bought some off the exchange. After I used them, they are now bind to account.
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1. Just because it is "easy" to earn dilithium does not mean that you have any on your character at the time you start the mission.
2. My primary thesis was that it was bad game design to have to stop playing the mission when you get to a certain point and figure out how to obtain 4-5 environmental suits without any clear direction. Offering solutions such as do a fleet action or travel to a mining station demonstrates that you either did not read or did not understand my post.
3. While I am sure that a lot of the new suits are bound to account, the fact is, unless you obtained them recently they are bound to character.
you should get at least 25 suits 5 will match
I agree 100%. Based on how various support officers function, I thought that this might happen, but it does not. You have to manually equip the suits on each BOFF AND some of them do not even show up if you have show armor disabled. The behavior is inconsistent.
Agreed. What they should have done is add a new equipment slot to hold EVA suits for characters and BOFFs. Ideally the game would then auto switch to the EVA suits when playing a mission that requires them.
I also agree that at least basic level EVA suits should have been added to the ship replicators as others have already mentioned.
However, I find it a pain to store, given how my inventory is already cluttered with Repair Parts, Regenerators, Particles, commodities, pets, and all these unique items. And you only can expand your cargo space so far.
What I would like Cryptic to do is make an EVA Suit slot on BOFFs, so when they go on EVA missions, they already have them on hand and switch into them than you having to play dressup and fumbling in your inventory.
I still find it hard to believe you may not have any dilithium when you start it. You unlock the mission when you hit T4. You hit T4 by pressing the "Collect Reward" button on the reputation window. This earns you dilithium. Granted, I will agree with you that people may not know to check the Dilithium store to buy the suits.
But like I had mentioned before. Yes, I had to leave the instance to get the suits, but I didn't have to leave New Romulus. I just transported back to the staging area where the exchange is. It wouldn't be the first time I left a mission to back to my bank to grab something I thought I could use.
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This. It'd be common equipment on your ship...
1) You clearly either did not read my post or did not understand it. Having to abort a mission after you started and try to figure out where to get environmental suits for your bridge officers without any instructions is not good game design. Sure, us experienced players have a pretty good idea how to accomplish it, but new players might be utterly lost. I remember when I first started playing this game I was brand new to MMOs and it took me months to figure out how to work the exchange, whereas it only takes a few weeks to level up to VA. Besides, nobody should ever be forced to use the exchange to buy essential mission equipment. Ships come with weapons and engines. The 2800 mission comes with an environmental suit. The Vault comes with a free shuttle. This mission should come with enough basic environmental suits to protect your away team or at least INSTRUCTIONS on how to obtain them.
2) I am making a constructive criticism of this mission. Calling it "whining" is very condescending, especially to all the new players who might not have as easy of a time as veteran plays such as myself. Even if you had a Nobel prize or a Vince Lombardi Trophy, it would be pretty bad manners to condescend to people. It is kind of silly that you need to build yourself up by putting others down because you happen to know more about this video game than some new players might.
I figure you won't get the bronze sword before t5 if ever anyway
If you are talking about the mission called (The Power Source) it does say that you and your team will need environmental suits before you accept the mission and before that, the mission ?Latest Findings? does say that you will need environmental suits to investigate the caves.
So it does mention it twice that environmental suits will be needed before you even start the mission
Thank you for posting this first.