Orly. Then why don't you enlighten me, on how you slay veteran pvp escorts in your sci ship 1v1 oh veteran of 3 years.
Because unless they are noobs it doesn't happen.
Sci is very strong vs escorts one you can completely nullify their high damage with subnuke timing. You can actually out-damage their healing too using skills that are useful in both team and 1vs1 situations. I have 3 bo setups on my sci ship 1. for pve 2. for pvp 1v1 and 3. for pvp team. i have seen many sci ships that completely destroy escorts like mie i have no probs killing escorts with it but in the end it comes down to skill. Engy cruisers on the other-hand they are hard to kill with a sci.
Whats the general thought on GW and VM as s combo. I aux2bat so they sit on almost the same minute'ish cooldown. I have so far been slapping the target of my GW with the Viral right after the GW. However with ET clearing viral(or it will one day,have they fixed that), would I be better off firing the viral on the likely healer/support of the ship I just GW'ed.
Its a tac in an aux2bat vesta so mostly spam/device bane with a helping of do you like gravity wells. I'm ok with the oddball job its seems to do but want to check that I'm using my viral in the most annoying manner.
Anyway Grav well works fine its just escorts have lots of soft/hard counters to it by default almost. But if you and another ship hit a team at the same time and both get the Doff to proc its a case of space vacuuming, optimal time for someone to be a douche with tricos and that time console.
Fyi, the ET immunity is only for 5 seconds. VM w/doffs is still worthwhile. GW is mixed bag, but iirc it is another disable cloak option at its worse. Tbh, I haven't looked into GW for awhile again iirc the goal was to have a stronger pull the farther away you were from the epicenter w/the strongest pull at the even horizon. Imo requiring PH or APO or Aux2damp to break the even horizon while still having the ability to move w/in the blackhole would be a nice compromise.
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While we are at it, lets bring back tachyon beam and charged particle burst. They are fairly useless at the moment.
To be fair while I used it tachyon beam was crappy even before the resists. It's a low shield damage proc over time that needs to maintain the 90 degree arc. I haven't checked in a long time, but the movement debuff from the Doff was nothing to write home about either. There was some potential w/using the TB doff and Tach Beam and for awhile seemed over power till they nerfed it while it was on tribble last year.
CPB is tougher to balance b/c it's AoE and could potentionally strip an entire teams shields in its hey day.
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only against people that are FULLY spec'd against drains.
my build is having wonderful time against everything else.
Yeah, most people don't bother swapping in power insulater consoles. Really all it takes is 3 points and a couple of consoles to be "fully spec'd" based on the 99 points the Devs use.
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While we are at it, lets bring back tachyon beam and charged particle burst. They are fairly useless at the moment.
Actually, a shield stripper build using these two powers has gotten a huge buff with a Vesta mounting Delta Flyer pets, Tractor Beam Officer DOffs and Concentrated Tachyon Mine Dispersal patterns. That's a lot of shield stripping.
Yeah, most people don't bother swapping in power insulater consoles. Really all it takes is 3 points and a couple of consoles to be "fully spec'd" based on the 99 points the Devs use.
Not so as Mai has confirmed... tachyon and cpb are quite effective. They are simply not stupid over powered as they where before where I could insta wipe anyones shields... Having said that I am running CPB 3 and Tachyon on my brel lately with great results. Even the guys that are obviously speced in the resist... still loose a good 1/4-1/2 of there shields... I would say thats not bad at all really.... against unspeced ya the shield is Gone baby gone.
It is possible to have 17k in shields yes... but not many people really do that. People with the more reasonable 9-12k they are getting from a basic maco setup don't stand up near as well as you would expect vs a good strip build.
I was vocal at one time that these skills where dead... however recently after revisiting I can say they where changed for the better... yes they where to powerful before... now they are usable... I mean someone speced into the proper resists has there VM timer tick down in 2-3 sec as well... its just the nature of the tree right now... and funny enough I fine not that many people are resisting shield drain hard... likely cause guys like Mai had mostly stopped using it.
Not so as Mai has confirmed... tachyon and cpb are quite effective. They are simply not stupid over powered as they where before where I could insta wipe anyones shields... Having said that I am running CPB 3 and Tachyon on my brel lately with great results. Even the guys that are obviously speced in the resist... still loose a good 1/4-1/2 of there shields... I would say thats not bad at all really.... against unspeced ya the shield is Gone baby gone.
It is possible to have 17k in shields yes... but not many people really do that. People with the more reasonable 9-12k they are getting from a basic maco setup don't stand up near as well as you would expect vs a good strip build.
I was vocal at one time that these skills where dead... however recently after revisiting I can say they where changed for the better... yes they where to powerful before... now they are usable... I mean someone speced into the proper resists has there VM timer tick down in 2-3 sec as well... its just the nature of the tree right now... and funny enough I fine not that many people are resisting shield drain hard... likely cause guys like Mai had mostly stopped using it.
I still think the basic resist you can get from the skill tree is too high. A full 100 points should only resist at most 35%. Not the fifty it currently provides.
I still think the basic resist you can get from the skill tree is too high. A full 100 points should only resist at most 35%. Not the fifty it currently provides.
If that was the case then to be honest CPB and tachyon would both need a nerf to the face. Frankly I don't think sci ships should have ever been able to wipe shields as effectively as we used to... as it is now my cpb is over 4k again... my tachyon is close to 600 a tick putting it around 10k in total strip... factoring resists its usable... if the resist at 9 points in (which you know as I do not many people have ).... well 10k would be way to high... not many people are honestly much over 10k in shielding. With a 35% I think we would run into the same BS that got it nerfed to begin with teams of 2-3 sci ships driving everyone insane with mine fields and torp spreads.
Honestly I think its about right... and I do hate to admit it.
Not so as Mai has confirmed... tachyon and cpb are quite effective. They are simply not stupid over powered as they where before where I could insta wipe anyones shields... Having said that I am running CPB 3 and Tachyon on my brel lately with great results. Even the guys that are obviously speced in the resist... still loose a good 1/4-1/2 of there shields... I would say thats not bad at all really.... against unspeced ya the shield is Gone baby gone.
It is possible to have 17k in shields yes... but not many people really do that. People with the more reasonable 9-12k they are getting from a basic maco setup don't stand up near as well as you would expect vs a good strip build.
I was vocal at one time that these skills where dead... however recently after revisiting I can say they where changed for the better... yes they where to powerful before... now they are usable... I mean someone speced into the proper resists has there VM timer tick down in 2-3 sec as well... its just the nature of the tree right now... and funny enough I fine not that many people are resisting shield drain hard... likely cause guys like Mai had mostly stopped using it.
Good flow caps an tet glider will outstrip shields compared to sci abilities even now. I can get mid 40s easy 50s pushing it. So going w/40 per facing is 160 per hit per weapon. Turrets hit 4x in a volley. So for vet ship layout 3 turrets that's 4x160x3 or 1920 w/o any rate of fire increase. I had read they adjusted DHCs, but haven't confirmed that so we'll go w/2 shots per volley. That's 2x4x160 which is 1280 + 1920 =~3k for a passive weapon proc ~ every 3 second volley (not that DHCs and Turrets have the same volley time, but keeping things simple) or ~1k/sec. So every 10 sec lets say Tet glider does 10k shield damage w/decent flow caps which is better than Tac Beam and has no cooldown b/c again it's a passive. I had been rounding down, but let's take another 20% off for weapon power drain and call it 800/sec. That's still better than Tach Beam 3.
But, we haven't bothered w/Boff or captain powers. Instead of using Tach Beam or CPB I can use TB and PSW to reduce defense for more CritHs and hits in general and the PSW as an interrupt to get in another weapon cycle before they react. Or save the PSW to counter evasives and or ES. Or you could go Tyken's and VM and their doffs while still having decent pressure shield stripping w/tet glider.
Sure you can have a decent shield strip w/Boff powers (and changing things up is always good), but imo there are better alternatives.
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only against people that are FULLY spec'd against drains.
my build is having wonderful time against everything else.
Do you even Science Bro?
Sci is very strong vs escorts one you can completely nullify their high damage with subnuke timing. You can actually out-damage their healing too using skills that are useful in both team and 1vs1 situations. I have 3 bo setups on my sci ship 1. for pve 2. for pvp 1v1 and 3. for pvp team. i have seen many sci ships that completely destroy escorts like mie i have no probs killing escorts with it but in the end it comes down to skill. Engy cruisers on the other-hand they are hard to kill with a sci.
Fyi, the ET immunity is only for 5 seconds. VM w/doffs is still worthwhile. GW is mixed bag, but iirc it is another disable cloak option at its worse. Tbh, I haven't looked into GW for awhile again iirc the goal was to have a stronger pull the farther away you were from the epicenter w/the strongest pull at the even horizon. Imo requiring PH or APO or Aux2damp to break the even horizon while still having the ability to move w/in the blackhole would be a nice compromise.
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To be fair while I used it tachyon beam was crappy even before the resists. It's a low shield damage proc over time that needs to maintain the 90 degree arc. I haven't checked in a long time, but the movement debuff from the Doff was nothing to write home about either. There was some potential w/using the TB doff and Tach Beam and for awhile seemed over power till they nerfed it while it was on tribble last year.
CPB is tougher to balance b/c it's AoE and could potentionally strip an entire teams shields in its hey day.
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Yeah, most people don't bother swapping in power insulater consoles. Really all it takes is 3 points and a couple of consoles to be "fully spec'd" based on the 99 points the Devs use.
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Actually, a shield stripper build using these two powers has gotten a huge buff with a Vesta mounting Delta Flyer pets, Tractor Beam Officer DOffs and Concentrated Tachyon Mine Dispersal patterns. That's a lot of shield stripping.
Not so as Mai has confirmed... tachyon and cpb are quite effective. They are simply not stupid over powered as they where before where I could insta wipe anyones shields... Having said that I am running CPB 3 and Tachyon on my brel lately with great results. Even the guys that are obviously speced in the resist... still loose a good 1/4-1/2 of there shields... I would say thats not bad at all really.... against unspeced ya the shield is Gone baby gone.
It is possible to have 17k in shields yes... but not many people really do that. People with the more reasonable 9-12k they are getting from a basic maco setup don't stand up near as well as you would expect vs a good strip build.
I was vocal at one time that these skills where dead... however recently after revisiting I can say they where changed for the better... yes they where to powerful before... now they are usable... I mean someone speced into the proper resists has there VM timer tick down in 2-3 sec as well... its just the nature of the tree right now... and funny enough I fine not that many people are resisting shield drain hard... likely cause guys like Mai had mostly stopped using it.
I still think the basic resist you can get from the skill tree is too high. A full 100 points should only resist at most 35%. Not the fifty it currently provides.
Do you even Science Bro?
If that was the case then to be honest CPB and tachyon would both need a nerf to the face. Frankly I don't think sci ships should have ever been able to wipe shields as effectively as we used to... as it is now my cpb is over 4k again... my tachyon is close to 600 a tick putting it around 10k in total strip... factoring resists its usable... if the resist at 9 points in (which you know as I do not many people have
Honestly I think its about right... and I do hate to admit it.
Good flow caps an tet glider will outstrip shields compared to sci abilities even now. I can get mid 40s easy 50s pushing it. So going w/40 per facing is 160 per hit per weapon. Turrets hit 4x in a volley. So for vet ship layout 3 turrets that's 4x160x3 or 1920 w/o any rate of fire increase. I had read they adjusted DHCs, but haven't confirmed that so we'll go w/2 shots per volley. That's 2x4x160 which is 1280 + 1920 =~3k for a passive weapon proc ~ every 3 second volley (not that DHCs and Turrets have the same volley time, but keeping things simple) or ~1k/sec. So every 10 sec lets say Tet glider does 10k shield damage w/decent flow caps which is better than Tac Beam and has no cooldown b/c again it's a passive. I had been rounding down, but let's take another 20% off for weapon power drain and call it 800/sec. That's still better than Tach Beam 3.
But, we haven't bothered w/Boff or captain powers. Instead of using Tach Beam or CPB I can use TB and PSW to reduce defense for more CritHs and hits in general and the PSW as an interrupt to get in another weapon cycle before they react. Or save the PSW to counter evasives and or ES. Or you could go Tyken's and VM and their doffs while still having decent pressure shield stripping w/tet glider.
Sure you can have a decent shield strip w/Boff powers (and changing things up is always good), but imo there are better alternatives.
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