True, but at least it has money and talent and a love of it's work.
Cryptic has none of these things.
I wouldn't say Cryptic is completely without talent, but point taken. As for love of the work... I wouldn't want to go to work everyday and listen to the customers trash me constantly unless I loved what I was doing. Other people's mileage may vary on that point.
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
I wouldn't say Cryptic is completely without talent, but point taken. As for love of the work... I wouldn't want to go to work everyday and listen to the customers trash me constantly unless I loved what I was doing. Other people's mileage may vary on that point.
Well that fits my job completely. I do a good days work (I'm old school), but I don't love my job and don't get any fulfillment from it. I do get paid well though hence why I give a good days work for it.
That said, I am both used to internal and external customers trashing my work as it does have an effect on them. The difference is I don't try to put any spin on it and I tell it as it is.
One thing I have learned in life, is that "most" people respect honesty, even if it's not something they want to hear or agree with.
The devs, the community manager and the EP, to me, seem to spend more time giving our spin, then answering direct questions with honesty, and in some cases, our right lie.
This is one of the main reasons why I dislike them so much.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
In the good old days (last year), Cryptic would have released a pile of new episodes to go with Tau Dewa that would have advanced the New Romulus story arc and given players a chance to fight the Tal Shiar directly for the soul of the Romulan people. The level cap would've been raised like it should have been ages ago and we would have felt like the game was really progressing instead of remaining a stagnant grind.
How the high and mighty have forgotten what made this game great.
Actually, from what I was told fairly consistently from the older players around the time I came aboard (just before F2P), the game didn't have much more than life support funding from Atari. If this is in fact true then I don't see how they'd have FE's - and possibly not have the new sector block in the first place.
Actually, from what I was told fairly consistently from the older players around the time I came aboard (just before F2P), the game didn't have much more than life support funding from Atari. If this is in fact true then I don't see how they'd have FE's - and possibly not have the new sector block in the first place.
You are correct. Even though some devs and supporters say that there never was actually a content drought, the EP admitted there was one.
Some people forget that the game went F2P because it wasn't making money and had sold way too many life time subs and this was all that was keeping the game afloat (kitchen and spectrum/Vic 20 computers was all that was left to test the game:P).
I'm not even sure there has been a golden period for the game. People love to talk about the amount of F/Es they got before F2P, however all that translated too was a few weekends of busy, then nothing.
The game was poor and still is, hence f2p and why it's "probably" not making as much as they want it to and this is why there is more grind so you can "pay" instead.
All the money and resources are going to NW. When it's released and if it's only slightly better than Trek, then watch this game go the way of Champs on line.
Beep, Beep, Beep, beeeeepppppppp....
Oh I'm so melodramatic eh? We do drama well here in Yorkshire...:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Ah another one of those PWE just wants your money threads, what a surprise.
Yes let's revolt, let's round them all up and chain them to their computers, highjack a power plant, place armed guards around the servers and declare STO a private nation so we can can get this game for free. Oh wait that's right, we can get the game for free anyway without being complete idiots, we don't have to spend a dime if we don't want to.
Grow the hell up people, you wouldn't work for free, why are you expecting them to?
Frankly I think they should start banning people who make these "PWE wants to rip you off" threads. The blatant ingratitude of some people just boggles the mind.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Some people forget that the game went F2P because it wasn't making money and had sold way too many life time subs and this was all that was keeping the game afloat
That's not true. The game was doing sort of okay under Atari despite being barely funded. At the very least, it was doing well enough that PWE saw it as a golden opportunity to get into the Western market. And Atari, who was looking to move less from actual games and more into mobile TRIBBLE, didn't really want STO hanging around.
By all appearances, the game has been doing pretty good for itself throughout its life, even with the Great Content Drought of 2011. It's not a blockbuster and never has been by any stretch of the imagination, but despite what the doomsayers will have you think, it's been plodding along healthily, if slowly, for a long time now.
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The trick now after PWE's acquisition of Cryptic will be finding out a way to finish the KDF storyline (and allow players to once again start in the KDF from level 1), while continuing the Fed storyline, and then somehow squeezing in a Rommie/reman faction along with the cardis. The only feasible way to do this is to combine the cardi's with the rommi's somehow because otherwise, no way jose that they'll have enough time to fit in factions 3 and 4 into this game.
Yeah, no content except for that whole new sector and a massive planet.. And the new STFs and new space missions. Those damned cheapskates.
yeah and all the story advancing cut scenes and missions that unlock when you quit complaining and rank up reputation, scan enough radiation, etc... Just collecting accolades on the new planet has been fun.
join Date: Sep 2009 - I want my changeling lava lamp!
I remember Luke Skywalker uttering the same line, not his father Anakin. It depends on which Anakin you are referring to though, surely not Anakin Skywalker a.k.a Darth Vader in any case.
Luke didn't originally yell "Nooooo" when he fell in Cloud City.
That was put in later.
And Anakins' "Nooooooo" when he first stood up as vader was a pretty low point in the franchise let alone cinema.
he, i've just started with TOR, a friend of mine invited me (a roleplayer)... the stories are nice, but all in all it is just a repetitive, bad copy of WOW.
If there was a possibility to play ONLY through the cutscenes, then ill consider going till the end. But as far gameplay, PVP, story, customization, F2P freedom... goes, STO is FAR superior! also, as a F2P player you are limited to only 2 toon slots, and you cannot even BUY more, don't matter HOW much you already paid for the game.
I checked out STO when it went F2P and found two things.
1) The 1000 cartels coins they said I would get for having the collectors edition had a string attached...I had to have a paid account at the time it went F2P...spending the exter $$$ on the CE didn't actually get them for me.
2) I discovered that during the server merge I lost all 8 of my characters names that I logged in as soon as the servers opened in early start to get.
I proceeded to flip SWTOR and Bioware the bird, logged out and re-uninstalled it.
That's not true. The game was doing sort of okay under Atari despite being barely funded. At the very least, it was doing well enough that PWE saw it as a golden opportunity to get into the Western market. And Atari, who was looking to move less from actual games and more into mobile TRIBBLE, didn't really want STO hanging around.
By all appearances, the game has been doing pretty good for itself throughout its life, even with the Great Content Drought of 2011. It's not a blockbuster and never has been by any stretch of the imagination, but despite what the doomsayers will have you think, it's been plodding along healthily, if slowly, for a long time now.
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Sort of doing okay?
So why then did it go to f2p? Why did we have that heart felt, violin playing post talking about how bad it was and that they didn't have cups in the kitchen and broken computers? That doesn't translate into sort of doing okay in my book.
You see, when you say "it's been plodding along healthily, if slowly, for a long time now." I have to refer you to your own statement -
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Oh and I wouldn't call you an idiot though. The rest...
And PWE bought Cryptic for it's assets and a way into the western market. It certainly didn't buy it for SGO or Champs.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
That's not true. The game was doing sort of okay under Atari despite being barely funded. At the very least, it was doing well enough that PWE saw it as a golden opportunity to get into the Western market. And Atari, who was looking to move less from actual games and more into mobile TRIBBLE, didn't really want STO hanging around.
By all appearances, the game has been doing pretty good for itself throughout its life, even with the Great Content Drought of 2011. It's not a blockbuster and never has been by any stretch of the imagination, but despite what the doomsayers will have you think, it's been plodding along healthily, if slowly, for a long time now.
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No. It wasn't doing well. PWE bought it for the Star Trek license, because Cryptic was selling cheap and was one of the few relatively well known NA companies available to get a foothold, and because they have a ready built engine that can be used to slam out MMOs in a relatively short timeframe (ie Neverwinter).
The game was not sort of doing okay at all. It had zero funding, a very upset and meager community, and was hanging on by a thread.
Um, EQ and EQ2 are grindy as hell and GW2 is a B2P game. LOTR is the only good f2p model of that lot.
How long have you played this game? You do know that SGO was a B2P game with subs? How many people that are currently playing, bought either a lift time sub or bought the game? I think you will find it's still high, so nice try with the GW2 deflection.
And I'm not saying EQ or EQ2 didn't have grind at all, but they certainly don't have as much as this.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Those who claimed to have experience with PWE when the purchase of Cryptic was announced. They predicted PWE would latch onto the game...monetize EVERYTHING....then suck cash out of it like a vampire until nothing is left but an empty husk.
There really is nothing redeeming about it.
No real new content....just new ways to reach for the players wallets.
If you took the time to play through the reputation system, you would realize that Cryptic did everyone a very-very big favor. All the resource requirements were radically reduced.
Reputation System: Requirements have been fixed. Embassy System: Requirements need a slight downward tweaking. Fleet Bases: Requirements for tier two, three, and four need to be adjusted downward.
What is killing everyone is trying to tackle all three at once. Cryptic is moving things into the right direction. Once Cryptic lowers the fleetbase requirements, adds some featured episodes, and lowers the fleet members cap, I think this game could be one of the best MMOs to exist.
I think this game could be one of the best MMOs to exist.
I think WoW, GW2,EQ,EQ2,Eve,LOTR,Rift, are all quaking in their boots at this massively over hyped,ridiculous statement.
Add to my list of great posts though, so thanks.:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
You are the one who has forgotten that the year of 2011 was the year when STO had next to no new content put into it what so ever.
It's a grainy, low-quality photocopy of WoW's mechanics with a thin veneer of (resources massively wasted on) dull cutscenes with internally repetitive stories that are a pale shadow of Bioware's better RPGs.
Bashing STO was just about my primary hobby at one point, and I'd still compare it favorably to TOR.
Its godawful f2p model is actually what nudged me back here. It set the bar of expectations so low even Cryptic couldn't limbo under it (though godbless'em, they try).
How long have you played this game? You do know that SGO was a B2P game with subs? How many people that are currently playing, bought either a lift time sub or bought the game? I think you will find it's still high, so nice try with the GW2 deflection.
And I'm not saying EQ or EQ2 didn't have grind at all, but they certainly don't have as much as this.
The game is currently a F2P game, have your best friend Jimmy go and pick it up off steam for free. Past is past.
And yes, EQ2s grind is still lightyears beyond this time gating (that requires about 45 minutes a day) in STO. I have no idea what you're about to even suggest otherwise. Play EQ2 for 45 minutes a day and see how far that gets you.
The game is currently a F2P game, have your best friend Jimmy go and pick it up off steam for free. Past is past.
And yes, EQ2s grind is still lightyears beyond this time gating (that requires about 45 minutes a day) in STO. I have no idea what you're about to even suggest otherwise. Play EQ2 for 45 minutes a day and see how far that gets you.
You lost all of your credibility when you said about 45 minutes a day.
So in 45 minutes a day you can grind all of the following you need:
Dilithium
Omega Marks
Romulan Marks
Borg Neural Processors
Energy Credits
etc...
Those who claimed to have experience with PWE when the purchase of Cryptic was announced. They predicted PWE would latch onto the game...monetize EVERYTHING....then suck cash out of it like a vampire until nothing is left but an empty husk.
There really is nothing redeeming about it.
No real new content....just new ways to reach for the players wallets.
On PW's defense, their F2P model isn't as bad as TOR's, where you have to pay to access content.
You lost all of your credibility when you said about 45 minutes a day.
So in 45 minutes a day you can grind all of the following you need:
Dilithium
Omega Marks
Romulan Marks
Borg Neural Processors
Energy Credits
etc...
Yes. It takes 20 minutes to do the daily Romulan patrol missions. It takes 10 minutes to do a cure or ISE elite, it takes 10 minutes to do doffs and reputation. Add another 5-10 minute login before you go to bed (or before you go to work) to do doffs again.
That's usually enough to get me 4-6k dilithium, 75 omega marks, 1-11 BNPs, several hundred thousand credits in loot drops, and 60-75 Romulan marks... Plus the spillover in CPX for fleet marks.
That's more than enough to keep the train running. And there is plenty of spillover for days lapsed. Add in another occasional 10 minutes to do an SB24 and your golden.
If yu can't accomplish that, then you need to work on your efficiency and maybe stop playing Barbie dress up in the tailor
I forget who brought up Guild Wars, but I still play it and I do purchase other items from the in game store. However these items are for show and have no bearing on how you play the game. For example; If I toss down $100 on a few ships in STO I can get something that will plow through the enemies. But in GW anything you buy will just make you look cool. The variation of missions and quests brings you back.
I think the real issue and subject matter isn't about profit as much as quality for my cash. I want a quality game, I can sit down and play, and not get bored out of my skull. All the game missions seem very bland with the exception of the Foundry. Should we be paying for UGC? Because I wouldn't even have joined up if it wasn't my interest in the Foundry.
So far I haven't spent all that much on this game in extras. I have purchased some extra slots and costumes. But the only thing I can find worth while is the Foundry missions made by players and not the devs.
What really put me off from TOR was them charging for you to roll for loot in flashpoints (STF equivilant.)
Some of the things that I would consider to be basic, they charge for.
Want to display your title? $
Want to unify your outfit colors? $
Want to send friends a mail? $
If yu can't accomplish that, then you need to work on your efficiency and maybe stop playing Barbie dress up in the tailor
Awesome quote xD
You can do it efficiency , but where is the fun in that?
Not everyone likes be being efficient in a game.
Peoples like wasting time with tailors, chatting etc
But they shouldn't complain that they don't achieve anything
You can do it efficiency , but where is the fun in that?
Not everyone likes be being efficient in a game.
Peoples like wasting time with tailors, chatting etc
But they shouldn't complain that they don't achieve anything
Oh I understand that, I was just showing it doesn't take very long at all to get all the stuff you need on a daily basis. I personally waste a ton of time chatting in fleet and skimming the exchange.
Yes. It takes 20 minutes to do the daily Romulan patrol missions. It takes 10 minutes to do a cure or ISE elite, it takes 10 minutes to do doffs and reputation. Add another 5-10 minute login before you go to bed (or before you go to work) to do doffs again.
That's usually enough to get me 4-6k dilithium, 75 omega marks, 1-11 BNPs, several hundred thousand credits in loot drops, and 60-75 Romulan marks... Plus the spillover in CPX for fleet marks.
That's more than enough to keep the train running. And there is plenty of spillover for days lapsed. Add in another occasional 10 minutes to do an SB24 and your golden.
If yu can't accomplish that, then you need to work on your efficiency and maybe stop playing Barbie dress up in the tailor
You're so full of TRIBBLE it's shooting out of your ears.
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I wouldn't say Cryptic is completely without talent, but point taken. As for love of the work... I wouldn't want to go to work everyday and listen to the customers trash me constantly unless I loved what I was doing. Other people's mileage may vary on that point.
Well that fits my job completely. I do a good days work (I'm old school), but I don't love my job and don't get any fulfillment from it. I do get paid well though hence why I give a good days work for it.
That said, I am both used to internal and external customers trashing my work as it does have an effect on them. The difference is I don't try to put any spin on it and I tell it as it is.
One thing I have learned in life, is that "most" people respect honesty, even if it's not something they want to hear or agree with.
The devs, the community manager and the EP, to me, seem to spend more time giving our spin, then answering direct questions with honesty, and in some cases, our right lie.
This is one of the main reasons why I dislike them so much.
Actually, from what I was told fairly consistently from the older players around the time I came aboard (just before F2P), the game didn't have much more than life support funding from Atari. If this is in fact true then I don't see how they'd have FE's - and possibly not have the new sector block in the first place.
You are correct. Even though some devs and supporters say that there never was actually a content drought, the EP admitted there was one.
Some people forget that the game went F2P because it wasn't making money and had sold way too many life time subs and this was all that was keeping the game afloat (kitchen and spectrum/Vic 20 computers was all that was left to test the game:P).
I'm not even sure there has been a golden period for the game. People love to talk about the amount of F/Es they got before F2P, however all that translated too was a few weekends of busy, then nothing.
The game was poor and still is, hence f2p and why it's "probably" not making as much as they want it to and this is why there is more grind so you can "pay" instead.
All the money and resources are going to NW. When it's released and if it's only slightly better than Trek, then watch this game go the way of Champs on line.
Beep, Beep, Beep, beeeeepppppppp....
Oh I'm so melodramatic eh? We do drama well here in Yorkshire...:)
Yes let's revolt, let's round them all up and chain them to their computers, highjack a power plant, place armed guards around the servers and declare STO a private nation so we can can get this game for free. Oh wait that's right, we can get the game for free anyway without being complete idiots, we don't have to spend a dime if we don't want to.
Grow the hell up people, you wouldn't work for free, why are you expecting them to?
Frankly I think they should start banning people who make these "PWE wants to rip you off" threads. The blatant ingratitude of some people just boggles the mind.
That's not true. The game was doing sort of okay under Atari despite being barely funded. At the very least, it was doing well enough that PWE saw it as a golden opportunity to get into the Western market. And Atari, who was looking to move less from actual games and more into mobile TRIBBLE, didn't really want STO hanging around.
By all appearances, the game has been doing pretty good for itself throughout its life, even with the Great Content Drought of 2011. It's not a blockbuster and never has been by any stretch of the imagination, but despite what the doomsayers will have you think, it's been plodding along healthily, if slowly, for a long time now.
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yeah and all the story advancing cut scenes and missions that unlock when you quit complaining and rank up reputation, scan enough radiation, etc... Just collecting accolades on the new planet has been fun.
Luke didn't originally yell "Nooooo" when he fell in Cloud City.
That was put in later.
And Anakins' "Nooooooo" when he first stood up as vader was a pretty low point in the franchise let alone cinema.
I checked out STO when it went F2P and found two things.
1) The 1000 cartels coins they said I would get for having the collectors edition had a string attached...I had to have a paid account at the time it went F2P...spending the exter $$$ on the CE didn't actually get them for me.
2) I discovered that during the server merge I lost all 8 of my characters names that I logged in as soon as the servers opened in early start to get.
I proceeded to flip SWTOR and Bioware the bird, logged out and re-uninstalled it.
Sort of doing okay?
So why then did it go to f2p? Why did we have that heart felt, violin playing post talking about how bad it was and that they didn't have cups in the kitchen and broken computers? That doesn't translate into sort of doing okay in my book.
You see, when you say "it's been plodding along healthily, if slowly, for a long time now." I have to refer you to your own statement -
Oh and I wouldn't call you an idiot though. The rest...
And PWE bought Cryptic for it's assets and a way into the western market. It certainly didn't buy it for SGO or Champs.
Why are you here then?
Um, EQ and EQ2 are grindy as hell and GW2 is a B2P game. LOTR is the only good f2p model of that lot.
No. It wasn't doing well. PWE bought it for the Star Trek license, because Cryptic was selling cheap and was one of the few relatively well known NA companies available to get a foothold, and because they have a ready built engine that can be used to slam out MMOs in a relatively short timeframe (ie Neverwinter).
The game was not sort of doing okay at all. It had zero funding, a very upset and meager community, and was hanging on by a thread.
How long have you played this game? You do know that SGO was a B2P game with subs? How many people that are currently playing, bought either a lift time sub or bought the game? I think you will find it's still high, so nice try with the GW2 deflection.
And I'm not saying EQ or EQ2 didn't have grind at all, but they certainly don't have as much as this.
Reputation System: Requirements have been fixed.
Embassy System: Requirements need a slight downward tweaking.
Fleet Bases: Requirements for tier two, three, and four need to be adjusted downward.
What is killing everyone is trying to tackle all three at once. Cryptic is moving things into the right direction. Once Cryptic lowers the fleetbase requirements, adds some featured episodes, and lowers the fleet members cap, I think this game could be one of the best MMOs to exist.
I think WoW, GW2,EQ,EQ2,Eve,LOTR,Rift, are all quaking in their boots at this massively over hyped,ridiculous statement.
Add to my list of great posts though, so thanks.:)
It's a grainy, low-quality photocopy of WoW's mechanics with a thin veneer of (resources massively wasted on) dull cutscenes with internally repetitive stories that are a pale shadow of Bioware's better RPGs.
Bashing STO was just about my primary hobby at one point, and I'd still compare it favorably to TOR.
Its godawful f2p model is actually what nudged me back here. It set the bar of expectations so low even Cryptic couldn't limbo under it (though godbless'em, they try).
The game is currently a F2P game, have your best friend Jimmy go and pick it up off steam for free. Past is past.
And yes, EQ2s grind is still lightyears beyond this time gating (that requires about 45 minutes a day) in STO. I have no idea what you're about to even suggest otherwise. Play EQ2 for 45 minutes a day and see how far that gets you.
You lost all of your credibility when you said about 45 minutes a day.
So in 45 minutes a day you can grind all of the following you need:
Dilithium
Omega Marks
Romulan Marks
Borg Neural Processors
Energy Credits
etc...
On PW's defense, their F2P model isn't as bad as TOR's, where you have to pay to access content.
IIRC they changed that to be more in line with Vader's character at some point. Don't remember exactly when.
Although I wouldn't put it past Disney to come up with something more laughable.
Anyway...
/end derail
We now return you to your normally scheduled Cryptic/PWE bashing.
ROLL TIDE ROLL
yeah pretty much you can
Yes. It takes 20 minutes to do the daily Romulan patrol missions. It takes 10 minutes to do a cure or ISE elite, it takes 10 minutes to do doffs and reputation. Add another 5-10 minute login before you go to bed (or before you go to work) to do doffs again.
That's usually enough to get me 4-6k dilithium, 75 omega marks, 1-11 BNPs, several hundred thousand credits in loot drops, and 60-75 Romulan marks... Plus the spillover in CPX for fleet marks.
That's more than enough to keep the train running. And there is plenty of spillover for days lapsed. Add in another occasional 10 minutes to do an SB24 and your golden.
If yu can't accomplish that, then you need to work on your efficiency and maybe stop playing Barbie dress up in the tailor
I think the real issue and subject matter isn't about profit as much as quality for my cash. I want a quality game, I can sit down and play, and not get bored out of my skull. All the game missions seem very bland with the exception of the Foundry. Should we be paying for UGC? Because I wouldn't even have joined up if it wasn't my interest in the Foundry.
So far I haven't spent all that much on this game in extras. I have purchased some extra slots and costumes. But the only thing I can find worth while is the Foundry missions made by players and not the devs.
What really put me off from TOR was them charging for you to roll for loot in flashpoints (STF equivilant.)
Some of the things that I would consider to be basic, they charge for.
Want to display your title? $
Want to unify your outfit colors? $
Want to send friends a mail? $
It is OVERKILL there.
Awesome quote xD
You can do it efficiency , but where is the fun in that?
Not everyone likes be being efficient in a game.
Peoples like wasting time with tailors, chatting etc
But they shouldn't complain that they don't achieve anything
Oh I understand that, I was just showing it doesn't take very long at all to get all the stuff you need on a daily basis. I personally waste a ton of time chatting in fleet and skimming the exchange.
You're so full of TRIBBLE it's shooting out of your ears.