There seems to be a lot of speculation about that sentence in the blog. While it also says that a blog will be out today (expect it around noon PST) explaining how the reward system works, let me give you all a sneak peek...
First: "...winter gift boxes that may contain parts to help build the best prize of all...:
When you read the word "may", it's not meant to be taken as a synonym for "have a chance to". I could see how you might do that from the context, but it's actually a "hey, you never know *wink* *wink*" may. Simply, when you do X to get the "parts" for Y, it's a guaranteed thing -- and, best part of all, it will be free. Just log in to play and you may just find yourself with a pretty nice Y (see what I did there? ).
Based on that, everyone will be able to get Y without having to worry about a chance (other than a chance that you won't be able to log in for an external reason), but X will need to be done. Y is the "best prize of all", and X is pretty simple. There are also a ton of other rewards, and while those use the same items as last year (Targ Earmuffs, Candles, etc.), the mechanic on how that works is being changed so it will be a lot easier to get the items you'd like as souvenirs.
I think players are going to be pleasantly surprised after reading the blog today It's the season of giving, and you'll be getting quite a bit from us. Happy Holidays!
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
I just hope its not a bat'leth made of ice for kdf that melts right before you try to hit it with something :P
If you get all except for one part of something that you COULD build if you got that last part, and you are offered to buy the last part for real money, and there is no other way to get it before event ends...
Trash those 9 of 10 other parts instead of buying the 10'th part... If no one supports the model, there's no reason to do it again.
However, if people DO buy that 10'th part en-mass, then it's the same as saying "Yea... go ahead with that model".
But of cause, from what Brandon tells us above, there should be much to worry about.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
If you get all except for one part of something that you COULD build if you got that last part, and you are offered to buy the last part for real money, and there is no other way to get it before event ends...
Trash those 9 of 10 other parts instead of buying the 10'th part... If no one supports the model, there's no reason to do it again.
However, if people DO buy that 10'th part en-mass, then it's the same as saying "Yea... go ahead with that model".
But of cause, from what Brandon tells us above, there should be much to worry about.
You know they won't put any resources into anything they are not going to make money off of... as much as they put emphasis on the bortasqu' making them lose money they sure as heck are not going to be *giving* anything in the true meaning of that word LOL.
When you read the word "may", it's not meant to be taken as a synonym for "have a chance to". I could see how you might do that from the context, but it's actually a "hey, you never know *wink* *wink*" may.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Thanks for the clarification. I understand the desire to be coy and make the post lighthearted, but I'm going to be honest with you here; we don't trust you enough for that.
Only a couple weeks ago this forum was a total storm over the stealth-nerfs to STF dilithium. (And they were stealth-nerfs). There's arguments to be made over the way lockboxes are/were handled. Etc.
When we read something that can be taken in a bad context like this, we have to assume it will TRIBBLE us because it has in the past. We've been bitten too much to not do so. We have to be vigilant so we can start the storm early and hopefully get it fixed before too many people get burned.
Its about time someone looked into this legalized gambling aimed at children.
Until such time as it's illegal for everyone, I'd rather they look at more important cases :P Banned in one country does not mean it's truly that bad; you just gotta personally decide whether or not it's worth it, and move on.
Blaming them for doing it in the first place, because suckers fall for it... there are better uses of one's time, imo
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Its about time someone looked into this legalized gambling aimed at children.
its about time to send the IRS at those kids with credit cards .I mean how they make money to gamble?Where are their parents?They need to pay taxes first....put them behind bars...damn kids.
I like how everyone is miss world and always want to protect the childrens (and ozone layer) when in reality they spent alot of money , got nothing and now rant about kids protection.
I like how everyone is miss world and always want to protect the childrens (and ozone layer) when in reality they spent alot of money , got nothing and now rant about kids protection.
As opposed to someone who advocates for the fleecing and exploitation of consumers just because a given company is legally allowed to at the present time?
If it's like last year, the gift boxes will be free. One per character per day. And also sold. And the prize mentioned should be obtainable by saving your daily items and by playing daily.
Cryptic thinks they can make everyone happy giving something for nothing..... Just wait, there will still be a load of tears about how I could not log on that week and its not fair or I have too many alts to get the goods for all of them or the advertisement went unseen and I did not know where to go. Giving Christmas gifts to this crowd is like shopping for my wife, it is not going to make them happy.
I say Good Luck Cryptic. I on the other hand dont want or need anything, I am here for the Trek. Merry Christmas and thanks for thinking of your player-base.
As opposed to someone who advocates for the fleecing and exploitation of consumers just because a given company is legally allowed to at the present time?
exploitation?How?
This thread is about how Japan banned some weird word combination.Germany banned windows 7 ,that doesnt mean everyone should do the same .If you give power to some weird creature it will ban everything for you .
I know is hard for some ,but education is the only way that can prevent people from spending money on virtual keys.If your kids do that you should not be allowed to have kids.If you cant stop your kids to gamble you probably cant stop them to take a car and kill me or buy drugs .More education and less bans .That works so well that they will have to remove the lockbox because no one will spend money on keys.
As for legal thing....well thats BS and this thread is funny as hell.Valve (over 50 millions users) has Team Fortress 2.They sell keys and yes people sued them and got s*** .Btw many japanese play Team Fortress the gambling machine and many germans use windows 7 and weirdos with "ban this and that" are just a noisy annoying minority.
hmmm, i do buy keys only if i need lobis (bought 2 skirts and korath uniform so far), i consider it as if im buying 4 or more lobis with 1 key. everything else is just a bonus.
i do buy lockbox ships from the exchange.
i will NO WAY participate in such a strategy - "kompu gacha", thank you for info.
all in all i think Cryptic/PWE is underestimating the public LOVE for the franchise.
What do i mean?
If they would deliver CONTENT, we would pay for it.
Lockboxes MAY function in EU/USA environment, but ONLY if they provide content to fly these ships.. and only so far..
It always throws me when I read about someone looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Cryptic no doubt has an adequate legal team to advise them whenever something is introduced so I have to laugh whenever I see one of these posts.
All this talk about Cryptic/PWE fleecing the customers is absurd, nowhere in this game is it required that you buy lock box keys or anything else from the C-Store to play the game, the game is completely accessible without spending a dime. If you don't like the odds, if you don't want to chance losing, then take responsibility for your own behavior and don't gamble, the same goes for kids, it isn't Cryptic/PWE's responsibility to take special measures to protect children especially in a game that is not exclusively designed for them, that is the responsibility of their parents and Cryptic/PWE can not be held accountable for the failings of irresponsible parents.
Not one person here would accept someone telling them to work for free yet there are many posting here that would seem to expect devoted slavery from this company, expecting to be handed a quality product on a silver platter while expecting to offer nothing in exchange. Get real, this is a business not a charity, Cryptic/PWE has bills to pay and has to make a profit. It should be more than enough that it's optional whether or not you spend money on the game, but whether you do or not, be thankful that there are those willing to invest in the game and that Cryptic isn't offering far less for free.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
the wonderland will be fully melted and forgotten before i even think about going there. Any and every new zone is just another opportunity to waste money lol
Not so fast...they might have a point here...any blood sucking lawyers or lawyers wannabes here?...PWE could be in trouble if this gets pushed by the consumers affairs dept. Stop perverting our children with the last vegas style casino techniques
Get real, this is a business not a charity, Cryptic/PWE has bills to pay and has to make a profit. It should be more than enough that it's optional whether or not you spend money on the game, but whether you do or not, be thankful that there are those willing to invest in the game and that Cryptic isn't offering far less for free.
There's a massive difference between providing a service for a payment and making a profit in the process, and going out of your way to suck every last penny out of a consumer for a minimal amount of effort and output. Cryptic and PWE fall very blatantly into the latter category.
That is not entirely accurate. Courts have ruled against businesses for less.
then those courts should take those kids to offer them education/food /clothes and shelter.Im sure courts are like parents but with little hammers and cops :rolleyes:
go with the same case in enough courts and you will get enough verdicts to know that you are responsable for what your kids do ,not gaming companies or courts.
But I'm not sure this is. I think PWE would claim it's not and test that claim in court.
And it's not outlawed yet in most of the places where STO is played so, really, you need to hit up your legislator.
And the better argument is probably for taxing it and regulating it and then, hopefully, having a legal safety net that protects people better. But revenue is what will get the government interested.
But I'm not sure this is. I think PWE would claim it's not and test that claim in court.
And it's not outlawed yet in most of the places where STO is played so, really, you need to hit up your legislator.
And the better argument is probably for taxing it and regulating it and then, hopefully, having a legal safety net that protects people better. But revenue is what will get the government interested.
Almost anything that the U.S gov't can tax which would otherwise be illegal has or will become legal.
As long as the gov't can control and tax a item - morality and everything else goes out the window.
Almost anything that the U.S gov't can tax which would otherwise be illegal has or will become legal.
As long as the gov't can control and tax a item - morality and everything else goes out the window.
We're veering towards politics now.
It's an unfortunate economic reality that taxing addictive goods hurts consumers more. But if you think it's wrong, act with your conscience about it.
I feel like there are ways things like this could be made right without losing much of what makes them work. But you need to be inside a company to really know what to tweak and what the goals are. And I may never get inside with the mouth I've got on me, when I get going on a rant.
But I sincerely do believe government is the route to go on matters like this, not gaming forum complaints. And the best thing would be to get a job in gaming and hold onto those values. Like a hero of mine says, "If you don't like McDonald's, try managing one. If you don't like cops, become one." I really do believe that and would enjoy actively working WITH values and fairness in a business setting. Because talk is cheap.
I think I'm just going to avoid the whole damn winter thing to keep my sanity intact.
Skip the 'gimmies' sure, but do try the ice race. In and of itself it's pretty fun and fairly novel in the mmo world. Also, there was mention of ice skates, can't wait to see how that is implemented.
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
i think PWE can easily get out of trouble by proving there is no need for real currency to get the stuff.
and there, sadly, they would be right.
Strictly speaking, they wouldn't be. At some point there is a customer that has to pay for the zen that gets converted to lockboxes, fleet modules or sold for dilithium, it doesn't spring out of holes in the ground for nothing (and yes, that includes LTS folks.)
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I just hope its not a bat'leth made of ice for kdf that melts right before you try to hit it with something :P
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If it's a gift, just give it to me.
If you get all except for one part of something that you COULD build if you got that last part, and you are offered to buy the last part for real money, and there is no other way to get it before event ends...
Trash those 9 of 10 other parts instead of buying the 10'th part... If no one supports the model, there's no reason to do it again.
However, if people DO buy that 10'th part en-mass, then it's the same as saying "Yea... go ahead with that model".
But of cause, from what Brandon tells us above, there should be much to worry about.
You know they won't put any resources into anything they are not going to make money off of... as much as they put emphasis on the bortasqu' making them lose money they sure as heck are not going to be *giving* anything in the true meaning of that word LOL.
Thanks for the clarification. I understand the desire to be coy and make the post lighthearted, but I'm going to be honest with you here; we don't trust you enough for that.
Only a couple weeks ago this forum was a total storm over the stealth-nerfs to STF dilithium. (And they were stealth-nerfs). There's arguments to be made over the way lockboxes are/were handled. Etc.
When we read something that can be taken in a bad context like this, we have to assume it will TRIBBLE us because it has in the past. We've been bitten too much to not do so. We have to be vigilant so we can start the storm early and hopefully get it fixed before too many people get burned.
Its about time someone looked into this legalized gambling aimed at children.
Blaming them for doing it in the first place, because suckers fall for it... there are better uses of one's time, imo
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
its about time to send the IRS at those kids with credit cards .I mean how they make money to gamble?Where are their parents?They need to pay taxes first....put them behind bars...damn kids.
I like how everyone is miss world and always want to protect the childrens (and ozone layer) when in reality they spent alot of money , got nothing and now rant about kids protection.
As opposed to someone who advocates for the fleecing and exploitation of consumers just because a given company is legally allowed to at the present time?
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I say Good Luck Cryptic. I on the other hand dont want or need anything, I am here for the Trek. Merry Christmas and thanks for thinking of your player-base.
exploitation?How?
This thread is about how Japan banned some weird word combination.Germany banned windows 7 ,that doesnt mean everyone should do the same .If you give power to some weird creature it will ban everything for you .
I know is hard for some ,but education is the only way that can prevent people from spending money on virtual keys.If your kids do that you should not be allowed to have kids.If you cant stop your kids to gamble you probably cant stop them to take a car and kill me or buy drugs .More education and less bans .That works so well that they will have to remove the lockbox because no one will spend money on keys.
As for legal thing....well thats BS and this thread is funny as hell.Valve (over 50 millions users) has Team Fortress 2.They sell keys and yes people sued them and got s*** .Btw many japanese play Team Fortress the gambling machine and many germans use windows 7 and weirdos with "ban this and that" are just a noisy annoying minority.
i do buy lockbox ships from the exchange.
i will NO WAY participate in such a strategy - "kompu gacha", thank you for info.
all in all i think Cryptic/PWE is underestimating the public LOVE for the franchise.
What do i mean?
If they would deliver CONTENT, we would pay for it.
Lockboxes MAY function in EU/USA environment, but ONLY if they provide content to fly these ships.. and only so far..
Cryptic no doubt has an adequate legal team to advise them whenever something is introduced so I have to laugh whenever I see one of these posts.
All this talk about Cryptic/PWE fleecing the customers is absurd, nowhere in this game is it required that you buy lock box keys or anything else from the C-Store to play the game, the game is completely accessible without spending a dime. If you don't like the odds, if you don't want to chance losing, then take responsibility for your own behavior and don't gamble, the same goes for kids, it isn't Cryptic/PWE's responsibility to take special measures to protect children especially in a game that is not exclusively designed for them, that is the responsibility of their parents and Cryptic/PWE can not be held accountable for the failings of irresponsible parents.
Not one person here would accept someone telling them to work for free yet there are many posting here that would seem to expect devoted slavery from this company, expecting to be handed a quality product on a silver platter while expecting to offer nothing in exchange. Get real, this is a business not a charity, Cryptic/PWE has bills to pay and has to make a profit. It should be more than enough that it's optional whether or not you spend money on the game, but whether you do or not, be thankful that there are those willing to invest in the game and that Cryptic isn't offering far less for free.
Not so fast...they might have a point here...any blood sucking lawyers or lawyers wannabes here?...PWE could be in trouble if this gets pushed by the consumers affairs dept. Stop perverting our children with the last vegas style casino techniques
There's a massive difference between providing a service for a payment and making a profit in the process, and going out of your way to suck every last penny out of a consumer for a minimal amount of effort and output. Cryptic and PWE fall very blatantly into the latter category.
then those courts should take those kids to offer them education/food /clothes and shelter.Im sure courts are like parents but with little hammers and cops :rolleyes:
go with the same case in enough courts and you will get enough verdicts to know that you are responsable for what your kids do ,not gaming companies or courts.
previously we all were feeding the game with a sub
now, we don't have to pay a dime to play. if we want fluffy stuff, we can GRIND for it, BUY it or forget it.
So previously - everybody was paying equally, now a few people are paying for all of us..
but there is a line, and "kompu gacha" ("complete gotcha") has crossed it.. IMHO..
But I'm not sure this is. I think PWE would claim it's not and test that claim in court.
And it's not outlawed yet in most of the places where STO is played so, really, you need to hit up your legislator.
And the better argument is probably for taxing it and regulating it and then, hopefully, having a legal safety net that protects people better. But revenue is what will get the government interested.
Almost anything that the U.S gov't can tax which would otherwise be illegal has or will become legal.
As long as the gov't can control and tax a item - morality and everything else goes out the window.
We're veering towards politics now.
It's an unfortunate economic reality that taxing addictive goods hurts consumers more. But if you think it's wrong, act with your conscience about it.
I feel like there are ways things like this could be made right without losing much of what makes them work. But you need to be inside a company to really know what to tweak and what the goals are. And I may never get inside with the mouth I've got on me, when I get going on a rant.
But I sincerely do believe government is the route to go on matters like this, not gaming forum complaints. And the best thing would be to get a job in gaming and hold onto those values. Like a hero of mine says, "If you don't like McDonald's, try managing one. If you don't like cops, become one." I really do believe that and would enjoy actively working WITH values and fairness in a business setting. Because talk is cheap.
Skip the 'gimmies' sure, but do try the ice race. In and of itself it's pretty fun and fairly novel in the mmo world. Also, there was mention of ice skates, can't wait to see how that is implemented.
and there, sadly, they would be right.
Why 'sadly'? If it's true that you can get all this stuff without paying, isn't that a good thing? And indeed, it is true.
Strictly speaking, they wouldn't be. At some point there is a customer that has to pay for the zen that gets converted to lockboxes, fleet modules or sold for dilithium, it doesn't spring out of holes in the ground for nothing (and yes, that includes LTS folks.)
Shill- Noun
An accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.
Seems like a legit usage to describe you.