and definately not for VULCANS getting it on with junior officers (a courtmartial offence in starfleet)
Really? this is text
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Dont bother arguing with sollvax, he or she lives in their own little world.
Look up the regulations (indeed of ANY military and ANY school) instructors are not allowed to shack up with students
Nor are officers allowed to hook up with cadets
Im a HE (Vulcan names ending in an X are usually male)
Yep a Relationship between an instructor and a student at Starfleet accademy is a serious breach of regulations
reallity and fiction are not the same, got it? I seriously doubt you will ever be able to enjoy any fictional movie, or any movie that isn't strictly reality, if you compare them with the real world.
basically, seeing kirk doing it with a subordinant just shows the audiance that he is a lady's man and didn't care much about regulations, thats part of how the character is depicted...already way back in TOS.
If you can't enjoy a fictional movie so be it, i guess many people will enjoy the movie anyway.
The problem is that in 2009 (and likely in the sequel), Humanity is not depicted as striving for a better future, nor as enlightened as the TV series pointed out.
In the Abramverse it is just another futuristic Human military space organization.
That is the problem.
It wasn't really explored in the movie, but it certainly wasn't shot down. Pike called Starfleet a "peacekeeping and humanitarian armada", as opposed to a normal military force.
Yes, there were imperfect people in the movie. Just as there were imperfect people in every one of the series, and every one of the movies. Not every single person in the Federation is going to be enlightened.
you sure are talking about the 2009 jj s**t trek?
That was never considered a success.It was in meh category .Mean girls had better success than 2009 JJ Lens Flare Trek lol
Meh category is not a scuccess.20$ profit is not considered a success.
Commercial
Budget was $150 million. It made $235,494,555 in the box office. Commercial success? Yes.
Critical
"Star Trek reignites a classic franchise with action, humor, a strong story, and brilliant visuals, and will please traditional Trekkies and new fans alike." - Rotten Tomatoes, who gives is a 95% approval rating.
"Emotionally, Star Trek hits every one of its marks, functioning as a family reunion that extends across decades, entertainment mediums, even blurring the line between audience and show. Trading on affections sustained over 40 years of popular culture, Star Trek does what a franchise reboot rarely does. It reminds us why we loved these characters in the first place." - Ty Burr (Boston Globe), who gave it four stars
"Star Trek [...] isn?t just a pleasurable rethink of your geek uncle's favorite science-fiction series. It's also a testament to television's power as mythmaker, as a source for some of the fundamental stories we tell about ourselves, who we are and where we came from." - Manohla Dargis (New York Times)
Meh - JJ-Starfleet is an oddity anyway - considering that it takes four years to graduate from the academy (or it DID, in the Prime Universe anyway) Chekov, 17 at the time of Nero's rubbish, was basically 13 years old when he entered what is, basically, a military academy.
So Starfleet Academy admits children. Great.
Pike said to Kirk, "You could be an officer in four years." ie, after Kirk graduates. He also called Chekov a "Russian whiz-kid", suggesting Chekov is a prodigy. And Chekov was presumably a cadet at the time as well.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Star Trek: The Motion Picture Made $139,000,000 Cost $35,000,000 hit
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Made $96,800,000 Cost $12,000,000 Hit
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Made $87,000,000 Cost $18,000,000 Hit
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Made $133,000,000 Cost $24,000,000 Hit
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Made $70,200,000 Cost $30,000,000 Bombed
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Made $96,900,000 Cost $27,000,000 Hit
Star Trek: Generations Made $120,000,000 Cost $38,000,000 Hit
Star Trek: First Contact Made $150,000,000 Cost $46,000,000 Hit
Star Trek: Insurrection Made $117,800,000 Cost $70,000,000 Bombed
Star Trek: Nemesis made $67,312,826 Cost $60,000,000 Frakes bombed
Star Trek Made $385,680,446 Cost $140,000,000 Bombed
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I liked ST 09, better than Insurrection, Nemesis, Motion Picture, and Final Frontier.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Budget was $150 million. It made $235,494,555 in the box office. Commercial success? Yes.
pay 150 mills (new average actors ....there was no Brad Pitt in the movie) to make abit over 50% lol
That movie was at best a average joke.Bad for a sci fi movie ,borring and cheesy as hell and with nothing star trek in it.Most sci fi fans dont know about it and if you ask about major movies in 2009 dont even mention that expensive thing.
If the first one got 85 mills profit ,it is expected that those who know is made by the same little JJ wont pay a dime for his lack of imagination because this time people will know what to expect.
pay 150 mills (new average actors ....there was no Brad Pitt in the movie) to make abit over 50% lol
That movie was at best a average joke.Bad for a sci fi movie ,borring and cheesy as hell and with nothing star trek in it.Most sci fi fans dont know about it and if you ask about major movies in 2009 dont even mention that expensive thing.
If the first one got 85 mills profit ,it is expected that those who know is made by the same little JJ wont pay a dime for his lack of imagination because this time people will know what to expect.
critics aka fanboism.IGN reviews games and movies and they call themselves critics.99% they are BS.Check SWTOR review and rating and STO at release .
All had better profit than 2009 JJ flare ,better actors and even less things to make your eyes pop from lens flare and cheap computer animations.
It still made a profit And the 'at best' is that it made a lot of money, was quite good to non fans, and 'merely' mixed opinions among previous ST fans.
I've seen every ST film from Motion Picture to Nemesis, and I still enjoyed it, even though I am also a fan of the other films and series
And fanboy critics? Please; their JOB is to be critical, which means not having bias or favoritism... and a large majority liked it on those merits. No amount of denial can change that
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Also I have heard credible reports as I noted in the other thread - that Starfleet headquarters, starfleet acedemy and most of starfleet is destroyed. Starfleet and the federation is all but abondoned and kirk and crew have to go it alone.
But fear not - they should have an explosion or sex scene every 3 min - so most will not notice the last of startrek being removed for part 3:
It still made a profit And the 'at best' is that it made a lot of money, was quite good to non fans, and 'merely' mixed among previously ST fans.
S*** movies make more profit with less money http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/
...way way way way moreST 2009 is an average movie like it or not ,nothing amazing about it just in "meh" category not worthy of the name.
JJ is just a average guy (like his movies) with no imagination or any talet.PLay some foundry missions in STO and you will see that there are people which are way way way better than him at writing good stories and using the brain for imagination,none of them being paid millions.
Then excuse my european a** for buying all Star Trek movies on DvD and BluRay or fan clubs in UK or Germany ...heck ,excuse Patrick Stewart for being from oversea :P
Then excuse my european a** for buying all Star Trek movies on DvD and BluRay or fan clubs in UK or Germany ...heck ,excuse Patrick Stewart for being from oversea :P
Yeah I'm pretty sure the rest of the world added up equals more than the American market alone.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Then excuse my european a** for buying all Star Trek movies on DvD and BluRay or fan clubs in UK or Germany ...heck ,excuse Patrick Stewart for being from oversea :P
Funny I watched an interview with Patrick Steward where he said that he got a call to read for the part of Captian Picard and he had to ask around what was this show called Star Trek - he had never heard of it before. He was like "Well you have to understand I had my neck deep in the Threatre - sci fiction was not my cup of tea"
S*** movies make more profit with less money http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/
...way way way way moreST 2009 is an average movie like it or not ,nothing amazing about it just in "meh" category not worthy of the name.
JJ is just a average guy (like his movies) with no imagination or any talet.PLay some foundry missions in STO and you will see that there are people which are way way way better than him at writing good stories and using the brain for imagination,none of them being paid millions.
Then excuse my european a** for buying all Star Trek movies on DvD and BluRay or fan clubs in UK or Germany ...heck ,excuse Patrick Stewart for being from oversea :P
You do realize no movie, or video game, or anything else in this world is good/bad/meh simply because one person says it is, right? :P Even majority doesn't make it so; only in the individual's opinion does it ever have that kind of label. You think ST2009 is an average movie, fine, but that does NOT mean it IS one. I think it was great personally, and I enjoyed the movie the same way I enjoy the Foundry missions in-game: because it's enjoyable
And I don't agree about JJ's writing ability: Lost was pretty engaging for my brain, when most other things aren't Keeping track of every little detail is pretty simulating
And I meant in overall finiance, not for every aspect XD
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the rest of the world added up equals more than the American market alone.
Im pretty sure you dont know math.There are over 700 millions people in Europe ,thats double than US.Even if you have less Star Trek fans per captia you will still get number of star trek fans in US .
If you add the rest of the world...US is really tiny compared to the rest of the world :rolleyes:
TOS was not that big in Europe and in the rest of the world in the 60 because ...well ,it was the cold war ffs.But you probably know that and dont think the world in 2012 is exactly like the one in 1960.
Funny I watched an interview with Patrick Steward where he said that he got a call to read for the part of Captian Picard and he had to ask around what was this show called Star Trek - he had never heard of it before. He was like "Well you have to understand I had my neck deep in the Threatre - sci fiction was not my cup of tea"
Yep ,you probably dont know history..
TOS was not popular in the 60 in Europe (cold war being one of the causes).Europe had other sci fi shows liek Space 1999 (in the 70s right after star trek - english director with american main actor).
Now if Stewart had no idea about Trek maybe you should ask JJ:rolleyes:
You think ST2009 is an average movie, fine, but that does NOT mean it IS one.
Is not average because I say so (I said is s*** not average) .The movie is average because there is no part in that movie that remains in your brain after it ends...its a big average nothing like most "remakes" using old franchises.Average acting ,average script ,over the average horrible computer animations and lens flare ...and over the average paycheck for JJ.
Im pretty sure you dont know math.There are over 700 millions people in Europe ,thats double than US.Even if you have less Star Trek fans per captia you will still get number of star trek fans in US .
If you add the rest of the world...US is really tiny compared to the rest of the world :rolleyes:
I'm very good at maths thanks. My point was serious not sarcastic, I know that the rest of the world out weights the US, that's what I said.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
all this stuff about how much money a film makes per dollar put in is irrelevant.
would you rather be the company that spends 1$ on a film and comes back with a million, or 200 million and comes back with 400m? sure the first film has an unbelievable return for what you put in but your still 199 million down on company B.
star trek is a niche market, its only ever going to put a certain number of bums in seats. It made a huge profit. real, cold hard physical cash you can stick in a bank.
people are free to love or hate the film as much as they like, but when they try to convince people that their opinion of the film (either negative or positive) is the truth like its some kind of fact, then they are just being arrogant.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Dont bother arguing with sollvax, he or she lives in their own little world.
Look up the regulations (indeed of ANY military and ANY school) instructors are not allowed to shack up with students
Nor are officers allowed to hook up with cadets
Im a HE (Vulcan names ending in an X are usually male)
Only in Jesusville. The rest of us remain in the 21st century.
reallity and fiction are not the same, got it? I seriously doubt you will ever be able to enjoy any fictional movie, or any movie that isn't strictly reality, if you compare them with the real world.
basically, seeing kirk doing it with a subordinant just shows the audiance that he is a lady's man and didn't care much about regulations, thats part of how the character is depicted...already way back in TOS.
If you can't enjoy a fictional movie so be it, i guess many people will enjoy the movie anyway.
I see
tell me what do you think the Sexual revolution was??
Because to most of us it was not a good thing and nothing to do with Religion
Sex is supposed to be a private matter that happens indoors and without witnesses
you forgot: only for procreation!
I find your way of thinking...disturbing...and your moral views "medieval"
and btw: who is your, so often refured to "us"? i can't see anybody here actually agreeing with your views and opinions.
look at chekov he moves at the speed of light
A man is falling at TV towards the surface of vulcan
he has time to Run to transporter room and take several attempts
"I can do that"
What a teen
It wasn't really explored in the movie, but it certainly wasn't shot down. Pike called Starfleet a "peacekeeping and humanitarian armada", as opposed to a normal military force.
Yes, there were imperfect people in the movie. Just as there were imperfect people in every one of the series, and every one of the movies. Not every single person in the Federation is going to be enlightened.
Commercial
Budget was $150 million. It made $235,494,555 in the box office. Commercial success? Yes.
Critical
"Star Trek reignites a classic franchise with action, humor, a strong story, and brilliant visuals, and will please traditional Trekkies and new fans alike." - Rotten Tomatoes, who gives is a 95% approval rating.
"Emotionally, Star Trek hits every one of its marks, functioning as a family reunion that extends across decades, entertainment mediums, even blurring the line between audience and show. Trading on affections sustained over 40 years of popular culture, Star Trek does what a franchise reboot rarely does. It reminds us why we loved these characters in the first place." - Ty Burr (Boston Globe), who gave it four stars
"Star Trek [...] isn?t just a pleasurable rethink of your geek uncle's favorite science-fiction series. It's also a testament to television's power as mythmaker, as a source for some of the fundamental stories we tell about ourselves, who we are and where we came from." - Manohla Dargis (New York Times)
Critical success? Yes.
Pike said to Kirk, "You could be an officer in four years." ie, after Kirk graduates. He also called Chekov a "Russian whiz-kid", suggesting Chekov is a prodigy. And Chekov was presumably a cadet at the time as well.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
the films
taking cost to make and dividing profits by it
the jj verse film did VERY badly by trek standards (theres a thread on this somewhere with the figures in)
it made less than twice what it cost to make
(Compare that with a film thats actually any good)
oh and critics write what you pay them to (so the Editors make the decision)
Um, I just gave the figures. $150 million to make, $235 million revenue. That's called a profit.
So what you're saying is, anybody who has a different opinion that you is either corrupt or stupid.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
I'm an editor IRL, and if we did movie reviews I would never EVER tell a reviewer what to think about a movie.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Made $96,800,000 Cost $12,000,000 Hit
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Made $87,000,000 Cost $18,000,000 Hit
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Made $133,000,000 Cost $24,000,000 Hit
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Made $70,200,000 Cost $30,000,000 Bombed
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Made $96,900,000 Cost $27,000,000 Hit
Star Trek: Generations Made $120,000,000 Cost $38,000,000 Hit
Star Trek: First Contact Made $150,000,000 Cost $46,000,000 Hit
Star Trek: Insurrection Made $117,800,000 Cost $70,000,000 Bombed
Star Trek: Nemesis made $67,312,826 Cost $60,000,000 Frakes bombed
Star Trek Made $385,680,446 Cost $140,000,000 Bombed
A film should make $3 on the dollar
MINIMUM
Profit is profit. The movie made the studio nearly $250 million. That's enough to fund at least two more high-budget movies.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
So maybe one more movie and perhaps a low budget one (JJ gets I think its 8% might be wrong)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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To be honest, that's a bar that wasn't very high..... :P
pay 150 mills (new average actors ....there was no Brad Pitt in the movie) to make abit over 50% lol
That movie was at best a average joke.Bad for a sci fi movie ,borring and cheesy as hell and with nothing star trek in it.Most sci fi fans dont know about it and if you ask about major movies in 2009 dont even mention that expensive thing.
If the first one got 85 mills profit ,it is expected that those who know is made by the same little JJ wont pay a dime for his lack of imagination because this time people will know what to expect.
BTW http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/ lol at JJ Trek with his change profit
critics aka fanboism.IGN reviews games and movies and they call themselves critics.99% they are BS.Check SWTOR review and rating and STO at release .
All had better profit than 2009 JJ flare ,better actors and even less things to make your eyes pop from lens flare and cheap computer animations.
I've seen every ST film from Motion Picture to Nemesis, and I still enjoyed it, even though I am also a fan of the other films and series
And fanboy critics? Please; their JOB is to be critical, which means not having bias or favoritism... and a large majority liked it on those merits. No amount of denial can change that
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Also I have heard credible reports as I noted in the other thread - that Starfleet headquarters, starfleet acedemy and most of starfleet is destroyed. Starfleet and the federation is all but abondoned and kirk and crew have to go it alone.
But fear not - they should have an explosion or sex scene every 3 min - so most will not notice the last of startrek being removed for part 3:
Lost in Space
Not that it matters one way or the other
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
S*** movies make more profit with less money http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/
...way way way way moreST 2009 is an average movie like it or not ,nothing amazing about it just in "meh" category not worthy of the name.
JJ is just a average guy (like his movies) with no imagination or any talet.PLay some foundry missions in STO and you will see that there are people which are way way way better than him at writing good stories and using the brain for imagination,none of them being paid millions.
Then excuse my european a** for buying all Star Trek movies on DvD and BluRay or fan clubs in UK or Germany ...heck ,excuse Patrick Stewart for being from oversea :P
Yeah I'm pretty sure the rest of the world added up equals more than the American market alone.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Funny I watched an interview with Patrick Steward where he said that he got a call to read for the part of Captian Picard and he had to ask around what was this show called Star Trek - he had never heard of it before. He was like "Well you have to understand I had my neck deep in the Threatre - sci fiction was not my cup of tea"
And I don't agree about JJ's writing ability: Lost was pretty engaging for my brain, when most other things aren't
And I meant in overall finiance, not for every aspect XD
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Im pretty sure you dont know math.There are over 700 millions people in Europe ,thats double than US.Even if you have less Star Trek fans per captia you will still get number of star trek fans in US .
If you add the rest of the world...US is really tiny compared to the rest of the world :rolleyes:
TOS was not that big in Europe and in the rest of the world in the 60 because ...well ,it was the cold war ffs.But you probably know that and dont think the world in 2012 is exactly like the one in 1960.
Yep ,you probably dont know history..
TOS was not popular in the 60 in Europe (cold war being one of the causes).Europe had other sci fi shows liek Space 1999 (in the 70s right after star trek - english director with american main actor).
Now if Stewart had no idea about Trek maybe you should ask JJ:rolleyes:
Is not average because I say so (I said is s*** not average) .The movie is average because there is no part in that movie that remains in your brain after it ends...its a big average nothing like most "remakes" using old franchises.Average acting ,average script ,over the average horrible computer animations and lens flare ...and over the average paycheck for JJ.
I'm very good at maths thanks. My point was serious not sarcastic, I know that the rest of the world out weights the US, that's what I said.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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would you rather be the company that spends 1$ on a film and comes back with a million, or 200 million and comes back with 400m? sure the first film has an unbelievable return for what you put in but your still 199 million down on company B.
star trek is a niche market, its only ever going to put a certain number of bums in seats. It made a huge profit. real, cold hard physical cash you can stick in a bank.
people are free to love or hate the film as much as they like, but when they try to convince people that their opinion of the film (either negative or positive) is the truth like its some kind of fact, then they are just being arrogant.