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First Movie Poster for Star Trek Into Darkness
born2bwild1
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Looks like Batman going out to fight the transformers on cybertron:
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My goodness, I'm trying and failing to find the Star Trek in that thing.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Well, that's mildly clever that they did that with the picture.
I was wondering if anyone would pick out that the hole was done is the shape of the Star Trek Insignia.
The rest is Pure Batman/transformers/Terminator - looks like there my be lots of gun fights - and of course it would not be a JJ film without an explosion every 5 min.
Has the American population gotten so low an attention span now they can't go 5 min without something exploding?
And this wasn't made to appeal to Star Trek fans.
The producers of this dreck have essentially told Star Trek fans to get out of the way and make room for a new generation.
Is it because of Cryptic/PWE's fault? Yes, their storywriters seem to have some limits in their scope.
But is it solely their fault? No, because there are many more players who lap up this kind of stuff. For every person that swears never to touch a lockbox, there are several more paying hundreds to get ahead in this game. Just as there are many more people who have never seen Star Trek before who are loving the Abramsverse, and/or STO. Or worse still, people who just never got the ol Star Trek, but totally dig Abrams' vision.
Gene was no saint, but he created something special that all of us saw. Back then our numbers were few, and even now that remains so. The Star Trek fanbase had just gained a lot of STO/Abrams fans.
Perhaps, that is our fate, as true Star Trek connoiseurs, to be forever drowned by the masses, even within our very own starships.
We should welcome this change, for it keeps our dear series alive. Because that is what we as Starfleet Officers and Honorable Warriors all stand for, welcoming and asking for a good fight.
But as long as we remember, as long as one more remastered BD ends up on a child's desk and opens his or her eyes to this promise of our future, Gene's and Rick's Star Trek will never perish!!
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It's a subtle, but crucial distinction. This new Trek will go on, and you'll still have the old Trek, and I find nothing wrong with that.
-A simple opinion from a Trek fan who likes both versions, though he grew up with the TOS dvds.
(Btw, the Federation chevron look in the poster is pretty cool
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Half the franchise has has some evil force or megalomaniac trying to blow something up, or cause destruction or seek revenge. khan in II, the whale probe in VI, Soron in generations, the borg in first contact, shinzon in nemsis, nero in XI.
There are tons of evil creatures in every single series. we had an entire series in ds9 that was very focused on war and conflict. the crews family have been killed at times, crew members have suffered senseless deaths. planets have been destroyed, no one seems to mind all that, because that was old trek and that could do no wrong now?
i swear that its just people have taken a disliking to JJ. If this poster was being made under the former writers, and showed the borg standing over an assimilated earth, or the doomsday device hovering over a destroyed planet, everyone would be geeking out like there is no tomorrow. people seem to just want to hate on it now because its JJ. evident that some have concluded the film will suck based on a single picture, because it's not all roses and sunshine?
would you conclude ds9 sucked based on the damage done to starfleet academy by the breen, or tng by the battle at wolf 359? its a teaser to set up the conflict, the threat that must be stopped, like they have stopped a hundreds times before in every series.
there is this notion that star trek is about hope for the future. no, only the federation is about hope for the future. the rests of the galaxy is more often than not trying to destroy them. all those red shirts did not die in accidents.
just sayin'
They hate him simply because he did something different, that he 'changed' Star Trek despite the fact the original is still intact, and that the alternate universe doesn't follow the old Trek despite all logic saying it SHOULDN'T...
I could go on, but that seems like people's feelings speaking over their better judgement, most of the time. I personally understood it wouldn't be like the old Trek, and liked it on it's own merits, not in comparsion to the old Trek.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
No they don't just hate him because he changed Star Trek. But because he led Star Trek to a very different path und changed Star Trek INDEFINETLY.
It would be naive to think that the JJ movies don't have a lasting effect on the 'original' universe. The last Star Trek movie was a shiny, full-of-action, over the top teen movie that made a lot of people go to the cinema who never watched Star Trek before. It's only logical to expect the next JJ movie and a potential new series to be of the very same kind.
Most of what I liked about Star Trek in the past won't translate into a new movie or a new series. For me Star Trek is about social criticism, interesting technical and environmental phenomenons and the peaceful overcome of obsticles (despite the Dominon war). Nothing of this could be found in the last movie.
The good:
Liked the characters and their respective actors. They weren't much more than sketches, but those sketched were well executed and fun for what they were IMO (well... Karl Urban kinda felt like he was doing a joke impression more than an actual performance, but still)
Liked the production design for the most part, highlights for me being the Kelvin, starbase/spacedock, and the shuttles. My god, the Kelvin was awesome.
Pacing was very good. Action was good too. Don't mind at all that it was more action oriented.
Loved that they had the balls to blow up Vulcan. The movies in the past have mostly tended to be very reset-button heavy, more so than the TV series actually, which is strange since with most TV shows that get movies, the movies are seen as where you REALLY get your epic on and break out with the game changing stuff. Not since the original 1701 got blown up in ST-III has the been anything like that (I kinda don't count Kirk's death, as he was already out to pasture both in universe and franchise-wise anyway)
"I've got your gun": this is a small thing, but I'm really really glad the dialog in this film actually felt natural. Trek, especially the later series, was really bad at natural dialog. The use of "gun" instead of "phaser" or "phase pistol", or some other awkward and unnaturally overspecific term in circumstances where a real person would just use the simple/general term is a prime example.
Somewhat related to the above: "Hi, Christopher. I'm Nero.". I LOLed. It was humorously unexpected, and said a lot about the difference between the two characters.
The bad:
Nothing in the writing makes any sense. Underneath the shinies the whole thing is really is a mess held together with chewing gum and twine. Didn't notice on the first viewing so much, cause the pacing and such was good enough to keep me having fun anyway, but it became really glaring on repeat views, and has kinda ruined a lot of the movie for me. If I had one "this must improve in the next one or I'm gone" issue, this would be it. It's just appallingly badly written, and there's no excusing that.
Some of Kirk's enthusiasm at the shooty stuff felt wrong. It makes sense for the sort of person the movie paints him to be in this timeline, but I think this is what people are really keying off of when they say the movie felt un-Trek in it's attitude. We'll have to see if this gets more development, or if it actually was supposed to be representative of the flim's/filmmaker's/intended audience's attitude.
The Enterprise design itself: I can see where they were trying to go with this, but the parts just don't mesh. Too many bits out of scale with each other, too many bits blatantly borrowed wholesale from the Refit and others. Supposedly those weren't part of the initial design and were shoehorned in late at the request of JJ or a producer. Should've left well enough alone and stuck with the initial concept. Also: giant physical spinning fan blades in the bussard collectors? Really?
The engineering decks of both the Kelvin and the Enterprise utterly fail to look like anything other than the brewery they were filmed in. They don't in the slightest look like they're on a ship, they look like they're in a building, on the ground. It's utterly jarring in it's unconvincingness. Seriously, Starlost gets ruthlessly mocked for this exact smeg, but Star Trek gets a pass? And they don't look like high energy hardware, they look like chem hardware (cause they are: it's a brewery). I'm totally cool with them wanting to make these locations look more klugey and industrial, but, well, look at pictures of CERN, or hydroelectric plants, or nuke plants. Chem industrial and energy industrial look very, VERY different. Did like the corridors and bridge sets, though ('cept for the supermarket scanners. What's up with those?)
Terrible plot-relevant basic science issues that go beyond nerd nitpicking and into "these people should have their high-school diploma rescinded" territory. Basically like the very very worst eps of Voyager or Enterprise in this regard. Worse than brainless.
Single most glaring product placement EVER by virtue of having zero logic for the setting. I very very very strongly doubt that Nokia will still be a company in 300 years, and if it is, neither it nor it's products will be recognizable. The car I can believe as a private collector piece, but a (now outdated) modern smart phone? STILL IN USE? 300 YEARS FROM NOW?
#%^%@! shaky cam.
&*^%$#! lens flairs.
So yeah, half-in, half out. It's basically a Michael Bay movie with better editing, less flag worship, and more likable characters. Fun, but totally vapid. I don't have much experience with JJ (haven't seen any of his other shows/movies), so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope he was just setting the hook with the first one, and has been taking the opportunity to put more thought into the second one's writing.
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DS9: Okay so there's this show Babylon 5 and it's kicking TRIBBLE in the ratings and hey they're on a space station not flying around everywhere and anywhere every week and people love it.....let's try it too and see if we get all the ratings and glory.
Voyager: Yeah so DS9 wasn't the golden goose we were hoping for. But hey you know there was this show back in the 80's where this ship was struggling to get home (or to a new home). And that show was really successful so yeah let's try that.
Enterprise: Yeah so that did work either. Okay so we can't really cram in much between TOS and TNG so hey lets do something before TOS, and hey there is this really popular actor from the 80's that would be great and he'll work for cheap and people loved him.
on a side note: Thank you Enterprise for having the worst Captain in ST history and proving yet again that you could not only make a fail series but even make a complete laughing stock of an American sci-fi culture icon.
FAST FORWARD.....
2009
JJ Abrahms attempts to breath new life into a sci-fi icon that has completely lost its way since it's original creator died. In an attempt to rekindle the golden age of Trek he decides to use established, well loved characters and to expand on those characters by showing more of their origins. An overwhelming threat to the federation, a new ship, and an untested crew have to pull together to defeat the bad guy and return peace to the Federation.
WTF is so bad about that?? I think yall were expecting WAY WAY too much from the 2009 movie because they were reusing characters that we all loved so much. The interactions between the characters was close to the originals, the only difference is the original actors had the benefit of a TV series and therefore a much longer time frame to really get to know each other and learn to play off each other better.
TOS had TONS of action sequences in it, just like the 2009 movie, again TOS was a series so the action was more spread out. I've seen SOOOOO many people complain about the whole time travel alternate universe that JJ created, to that all I can say is STFU, he preserved the memory of the TOS series and honored everyone involved with it by not just simply wiping it away with a dirty rag and redoing what they did.
You can't expect one 126 minute movie to magically be perfect when comparing it to a tv series that ran for 79 episodes and a total of 3,950 minutes. And things are drastically different in real life now than compared to the 60's or hell even compared to the 90's and early 2000's so of course the movie is going to be grittier in a 126 minute time span and is everyone so forgetting these days that it still takes a normal tv series 1-3 seasons to really get to the good stuff...it's all about lead up and backstory first, then main development.
And then we have the old Connie make a cameo (albeit staffed by the new updated crew) as Kirk scans some temporal anomaly, watch it vanish and the Enterprise goes on her merry way like the old episodes.
(here's to hoping that JJ can retcon the damage he does to the timeline LOL)
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But this TRIBBLE about how a movie can be either intelligent OR good action, but not both, really has to stop. There's a large number of well known movies that have been both, so that's empirically BS.
Trek 2009 succeeded because it was a good action film, this is absolutely true. What's groundless is the argument that it was somehow necessary to sacrifice brains in order to do that.
Well thank you for the complement but thats not really true about how i would advertise. When I advertise my missions i try to pick an image that will give you an idea of the mission, or I pick an image that will grab your attention, or pique your curiosity. that has been dark images (one had the centre of ESD in flames), the other was a fleet of Borg ships.
i want to convey the threat and the danger that your crew will face. yes you always overcome it but i want the player to experience that in the mission, not have them know it will be all roses and shunshine before they even play it. if i wanted to advertise the worst of all worlds i would pick the darkest picture i could find because that is waht the reality is. its dark. why is that mission one of the highest rated in the foundry? its dark, its twisted and a reality that is the total opposite of star trek, but yet people comment on how great it is, and how star trek is is, because you see something outside the norm and you overcome that darkness.
This is storytelling. This image is to suggest things are going to get very bad indeed. Will the heros win. of course, they always do and we know they will win, but you dont nullify the threat in the opening shot.
what does a ship or a uniform tell us? we've all seen the enterprise a thousand times. what more can you do with it? other than the above mentioned breen attack on earth, and the alternate future in shockwave we never see Earth in this state.
Gene wrote lyrics to the first TOS theme. Why? Because then he would get a royalty check every time it was played . The idea didn't work.
To save some time and avoid a tl;dr.
I liked ST:XI. I also like a lot of other things some people do not. Like spinach. I do not hear anyone railing ad infinitum, ad nauseum about how "I'm ruining salads everywhere because I put spinach leaves in mine!"
If you do not like what JJAbrams has done, then do not watch it or support it in any fashion. But stop explaining to the rest of us over and over again why yours is the one true vision and you are Gene's only Prophet. We heard you the first time. All you're doing now is driving people away by letting them know you are slightly barmy about some things. Further you're making the rest of us look like the fans of "Twilight". Distasteful to say the least. So please stop.
Hipsters will always be hipsters. Part of being a hipster is letting others know you are a hipster. They cannot help themselves. It is their nature.
But I agree. As nakedly derivative as the design is, it does communicate at least SOMETHING about the story other than just "It's Star Trek", and maybe "It's got that guy in it, you know, that guy from those other things".
It's not just a poster problem. So many of these movies, when the first come out the studios start releasing promo pics that are all just pics of the actors just standing around in costume, and hey, if you're really lucky a few of 'em will look like they're actually talking or something exciting like that! Protip: if it's a genre movie, show us glimpses of the genre eye candy bits. That's what'll actually get us teased up and salivating,like promos are, y'know, supposed to. Pics of the just actors are the same as no pics at all.
While that guy in cape is probably Kirk, why on earth is he dressed like a Section 31 agent?
And if he's not Kirk, what is a Section 31 agent doing here? Is a temporal agent in the wrong era, or like What Good Men Do, is this a nod to Starfleet's worst kept secret?
And failing all that, and that person is Khan, WHY IS HE DRESSED LIKE A CHEAP RIPOFF OF DEUS EX?! I liked the ol Khan's big hair and bulging pecs.
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its benedict cumberbatch's character, who is almost certainly playing the bad guy of the film. hence the destruction he has just caused.
he has the same look as the leaked photo's from a while back.
I dont think JJ knows anything about the section 31 story to put it in the movie.He probably had a matrix dream one night and thats what star trek fans will get "Star Trek Matrix" :rolleyes:
What is really shocking is the absence of lens flare.Im sure they will fix that in the movie
Oh well, the audience was asking for this sort of thing, I guess.
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