I am playing less and less everyday. Unless Cryptic does something about the long timers, high resource requirements, and endless nerfing, I will most likely find something else to keep busy.
My game time went from six hours a day to about an hour.
I will sign into the system tomorrow, for Cryptic is making some minor changes. If I don't see anything that makes my game experience more exciting, I will sign off within a mater of fifteen to twenty minutes.
I will most likely be down to ten minute sessions by Saturday.
And if you gave them the choice between cleaning the house or playing a not so funny game, what would they pick
Also if you look at it, newer games made for the current generation is actually simpler than they ever were.
I'd argue the opposite, they are easier to please if anything and in fact responsible for a lot of cultural decline, not just in-game - have you tried watching tv recently
If you ever saw "idiocracy" you know where I am getting at...
Anyway 2 reasons for it, 1 of course this being a star trek game and 2 the time and resources you already put in.
You want it to succeed and you are willing to take some pain in getting there.
Did you know it is a fact that the more house work a man does - the more Adult time he gets with his wife? So for those men out there get cleaning and vacuming! Several studies graphed it out - the higher the line goes for doing household chores - the high the line goes for frequency of intimate spousal relations. That is assuming men are interested in that.
I play way more! Why play less when more content added. These threads are more hate threads. People that think this game sucks and hope to make others feel the same way. Or find others that are like minded. Well I got news the majorty are happy. Majorty are playing more from what I can tell just by sight.
There are two main issues that S7 has brought to the fore that are causing most of the problems. Time Gates and lack of choice.
First mayor problem: Everything is time gated now.
How much Dil can you refine? Time Gated.
How often can you run group content? Time gated.
How often can you advance in reputation? Time Gated.
You want to buy something off the rep stores? Time Gated.
Feeling like you're advancing your character? Time Gated too!
Honestly why keep playing for longer than an 30 minutes a day?
The second problem is Cryptic's bizarre fetish with dictating the playtime of its players. Why have so many marks at all? Why not have everything simply drop a generic "mark" that is usable for everything? As it is you're locked into specific content that will only yield a limited amount of usefull currency per day. Maybe you like Mine Trap but are forced to run STFs for Omege Marks. Or maybe you desperately need fleet marks but are sick of the fleet events..... but you can't run STFs for fleet marks so you have to decide if its worth it at all. So again, you choose to simply not run one, the other, or maybe anything at all! It'll take some rebalancing to get it right (in particular Fleet Events and Romulan Mark events seem to be notoriously stingy) but giving players some choice would go a long way towards lessenning dissatisfaction and burnout.
I play way more! Why play less when more content added. These threads are more hate threads. People that think this game sucks and hope to make others feel the same way. Or find others that are like minded. Well I got news the majorty are happy. Majorty are playing more from what I can tell just by sight.
I think you are out of line there - if you check my posts I keep suggesting ways for Cryptic to make the game even better. There are serious issues here and the slide is visible to most people without rose coloured glasses. I don't want that to happen - hence these threads hopefully will help cryptic to make more changes to keep this game expanding instead of contracting. Now I have no hard data - just my and others I know observations. Same as you.
I hate to admit it, but i am playing alot less. In fact, i have started playing CO. With STO, all i have been doing is logging in every 2 days to re-load the next reputation project. By the way, i thought the timers were supposed to goto 20 hours? I still am getting 1 day 15 hrs. The only time right now, ill even play STO is when i need to grind some marks for the next project.:(
After the patch tomorrow it might feel more interactive.
But I got to thinking if you decide to hold on to your marks we are back to square one.
I asked a lot of times now, why did we have to kill stf exactly, why did we have to have a reputation system, god knows it wasn't for our sake
I mean look at it, they have come out and said on several occasions they were doing great and had doubled their staff and what not.
So what precisely is the problem, why couldn't we have what we had and then give us something fun instead.
Where does all the cutting back and decreasing rewards really come from ?
It's a "necessary evil" that's not even necessary, just evil
If there exist a person that thinks moving sliders and buying hypos is supreme satisfying and cutting end gaming I'd love to hear from him, so I can ask, WHAT DAMNED PLANET ARE YOU FROM
And it's not a rhetorical question either, I still don't get it, why exactly.
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ps.
The one thing I heard was "making the game last long" but you know what I wasn't thinking about retiring before
I hate to admit it, but i am playing alot less. In fact, i have started playing CO. With STO, all i have been doing is logging in every 2 days to re-load the next reputation project. By the way, i thought the timers were supposed to goto 20 hours? I still am getting 1 day 15 hrs. The only time right now, ill even play STO is when i need to grind some marks for the next project.:(
are you working on tier 3? those have not been updated yet - tomorrows patch
I too am playing much less than I used to. And unlike others, I can point to Season 7 as the reason. I used to login daily, run a few STF's and fleet missions with doff assignments inbetween while waiting on queues to pop. Contribute to fleet projects. Now since S7 with the reduction in dilithium availability, the long queue times on STF's and the general lack of content that's actually worth playing I log in maybe once a week.
Prior to S7 I had done over 300 STF's, many of them on elite mode. How many over 300, I don't know exactly as that's what the accolade dings at. Since Season 7 went live I've run exactly 4. Three Infected Space Elites and 1 Hive Space. I've queued up for CSE and KSE several times, but they never popped.
In regards to fleet activity, prior to S7 there was about 5 active players in my fleet. Projects were getting finished every day. Since S7 went live, we've had the exact same projects sitting with almost the exact same completed percentage.
So in closing, season 7 really has killed what little enjoyment there used to be in this game for me.
I've been playing about the same, but that'll be because I had all the episodic content to play through. Now I'm finished with it the foundry is the only thing left that can keep me entertained, I'm just bored with everything else.
These threads are more hate threads. People that think this game sucks and hope to make others feel the same way..
I can safely say the statement above is completely wrong. While the forums are filled with the self absorbed and self indulgent and even the outright childish, your statement is just as foolishly over broad
This isn't about hating the game. I like the game enough to keep playing even when things have been made less than fun by S7 changes and imbalances. Quite the contrary, the criticism is due to real and well founded concerns.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
My playtime became near nonexistent a week after season 6 went live and I've only logged the day season 7 when live for about 20 minutes and have not been back since.
I'm trying to get myself into playing STO again but most of the stuff being added to the game just does not appeal to me.
I find myself playing a lot less. With the reputation system, Embassy's added, Starbase projects and less Dilitium available, it just seems so overwhelming to me.....
What do I do? Grind Dili for Starbase projects? Or for Embassy projects? Or do I be selfish and go grind OM's and RM's for my own character's advancement? Or do I try to balance this all over all 12 of my characters?
In the end it is just one long grind with a cloudy finish line, so I end up doing nothing
My fleet (a medium sized fleet with about 300 characters played by about 50 or so active members) has seen a great morale drop. There used to be fun chat in our fleet's private channel, there were usually 8-10 people on our voice server at any given time of the day, and plenty of excitement for doing fleet activity. Now, our chat channel is bogged down with general dislike of Season 7. Our voice server can hit 10 or 12 people during peak hours, but is pretty much a ghost town the rest of the time. And with the private queue system down, it is very tough to get a fleet PvP match in or get a good STF team together (not that there is much of a reason to grind STF's these days without a loot drop at the end).
I hope that Cryptic sees what this endless grind system has done to what was once a very fun game. I have played this game since 2 weeks after launch, and even lasted through the "Great Content Drought" before F2P launch....But now I am finding it a chore to log in....As some others have stated in this thread, I have a job, I don't want another
Perhaps I'll try some of the other F2P titles out there for a little while and see if things get better here. I am a life long Star Trek fan and I do love this game, I just don't like it very much right now...
I find myself playing a lot less. With the reputation system, Embassy's added, Starbase projects and less Dilitium available, it just seems so overwhelming to me.....
What do I do? Grind Dili for Starbase projects? Or for Embassy projects? Or do I be selfish and go grind OM's and RM's for my own character's advancement? Or do I try to balance this all over all 12 of my characters?
In the end it is just one long grind with a cloudy finish line, so I end up doing nothing
My fleet (a medium sized fleet with about 300 characters played by about 50 or so active members) has seen a great morale drop. There used to be fun chat in our fleet's private channel, there were usually 8-10 people on our voice server at any given time of the day, and plenty of excitement for doing fleet activity. Now, our chat channel is bogged down with general dislike of Season 7. Our voice server can hit 10 or 12 people during peak hours, but is pretty much a ghost town the rest of the time. And with the private queue system down, it is very tough to get a fleet PvP match in or get a good STF team together (not that there is much of a reason to grind STF's these days without a loot drop at the end).
I hope that Cryptic sees what this endless grind system has done to what was once a very fun game. I have played this game since 2 weeks after launch, and even lasted through the "Great Content Drought" before F2P launch....But now I am finding it a chore to log in....As some others have stated in this thread, I have a job, I don't want another
Perhaps I'll try some of the other F2P titles out there for a little while and see if things get better here. I am a life long Star Trek fan and I do love this game, I just don't like it very much right now...
I think your case is very common - and similar fleets are experiencing exactly the same slowdown - which will get worse once people go throught their pre-season 7 borg conversion to dilthium stockpiles.
Cryptic should take statements like yours and other similar as huge alarm bells going off and jump in front of this freight-train before it's too late.
At this point adding stuff all over the place would not be a bad business move - especially during the Christmas season when other things could make the situation worse.
Waiting for more data Mr Stahl is NOT a good plan at this point.
Every Wendsday night my fleet use to get together and talk about what the starbase needed. and then go do SFT's or PVP or 3 on 3 eachother. Last night only one person showed up. We are qued up for Tier 3 on the starbase that takes 10000 fleet marks and we only have 1200. We have been for over 10 days. Season 7 has seriously cut my whole fleets playing time down. And with the new requirements for the Foundry dailies it has ended our Starbase progression. We could before count on at least 100 marks a day from each member but now nothing, I started a new toon just to have something to do beacuse while the 1 day 15 hour counter is running I have nothing to do on my main char. Put the loot drops back in STF, Give Starbase 24 a 20 fleet mark option. Or another way to make 50-100 marks without grinding for 2 hours. Also I hope the DEV's have noticed that the exchange rate is down to 100 DIL for 1 ZEN. the lowest I have ever seen. OPEN YOUR EYES CRIPTIC.
Every Wendsday night my fleet use to get together and talk about what the starbase needed. and then go do SFT's or PVP or 3 on 3 eachother. Last night only one person showed up. We are qued up for Tier 3 on the starbase that takes 10000 fleet marks and we only have 1200. We have been for over 10 days. Season 7 has seriously cut my whole fleets playing time down. And with the new requirements for the Foundry dailies it has ended our Starbase progression. We could before count on at least 100 marks a day from each member but now nothing, I started a new toon just to have something to do beacuse while the 1 day 15 hour counter is running I have nothing to do on my main char. Put the loot drops back in STF, Give Starbase 24 a 20 fleet mark option. Or another way to make 50-100 marks without grinding for 2 hours. Also I hope the DEV's have noticed that the exchange rate is down to 100 DIL for 1 ZEN. the lowest I have ever seen. OPEN YOUR EYES CRIPTIC.
I think I'm playing less, or at least I'm playing less actively. My little fleet gave up on
the starbase, haven't even done the t2 upgrade. We have active embassy projects
(recruitment only), but it takes forever to fill them due to the lack of fleet marks and
dilithium.
I play some SB24, a colony invasion and a fleet alert if there's an event running,
then do Tau Dewa patrol during the rep event. I am progressing Romulan rep, but not Omega.
I'm getting really tired of the fleet events I did some of the new Romulan ones,
but I didn't find them very engaging after a few runs. New Romulus is nice, but the gw2-style
missions get old fast too.
Otherwise I am doffing a little since I just switched to a new main, but once the chains
are done I probably won't play it as much. Other than that, I spend my time in game
buying and selling white fleet doffs.. :rolleyes:
Joined in March, 2011. Lifer since December, 2011.
I play way more! Why play less when more content added. These threads are more hate threads. People that think this game sucks and hope to make others feel the same way. Or find others that are like minded. Well I got news the majorty are happy. Majorty are playing more from what I can tell just by sight.
I don't hate this game, and i think the devs are trying to do their best. I'm just a bit tired after the excitement provided by new content. Now it's gone. No more good players in stfs, no more doffing, no more great rewards outside of the reputation system, no need to replay endgame content... That's not attractive.
Actually i think cryptic made a major mistake: they made grinding for yourself very easy and achievable and grinding for your small community (your fleet) a real chore. While i enjoyed the "chore" to do stfs for my own rewards and spending some time for my fleet, it's now completely reversed, and since everyone in every fleet is thinking "someone else will do it", no one ever does it, and you end up with the most active players burnt out in fleets.
Too much chores related to fleets, and no rewards you can gain by yourself and for yourself is completely discouraging for many people, and they just stop doing what used to be the individual chores, aka stfs.
I'm not opposed to help others, playing with them. I like that. But i also want something for myself, not just seeing a % progressing. What do you get when you play starbase incursion? A handful of stupid fleetmarks with insignificant rewards for yourself, and it's even worse since it's gated behind tiers. I just want incentives and not feeling i'm doing all the hard work for others, even if they are nice (and most of the time they aren't).
Before season 7, our way to build a community was: we play stfs with others to help them getting their rewards, or to get our rewards, and we were playing them till everyone get both sets, and it started over when someone rolled a new char. It was an unending system and it worked, because we always got something for ourself - including some epic rewards - while helping other members of the community. Now, the only way to build a community is aroung the horrible fleet system, where everyone can contribute or not, you don't need everyone to contribute, and those not contributing get the exact same amount of rewards. Thus there's no incentive to contribute and your best strategy is to contribute as little as you can and hope others will pay/do the job for you.
Season 7 removed the individual rewards to gate them behind walls others can destroy for you. We're all free riders! I don't want to be mean but it's the worst possible design.
I really think that's what is making people completely discouraged. You have to grind a lot for others (at least that's what they feel), communities are starting to fall apart (the stf and doff ones are great examples), and no one feels committed to the game anymore. And it's extremely contagious.
All very good points - as I have said Mr Stahl needs to make some bold moves and get ahead of the curve rather than waiting for data. Data does not help those that have given up.
Officer of the watch - change to 30 marks and 480 dilthium - now - don't wait for the fleet data to dry up completely and people move on to other things.
Add 2 new Fed dailies that are on the KDF side
killed 50 Npc's on ground
Kill 50 npc's in space
480 dilthium each and can be combined with all the other mission/FA/content
Dilthium market is collapsing, people are not contributing to bases, people are not running content or just the bare min - people are leaving! Don't wait for more data.
I play exactly the same. But now instead of 90percent stf and the rest fleet marks its 30fleet marks 30 dilithium 15 romulan marks and 15 stf.
Its not a race there is never an end. Just play the game. People are upset because stfs used to get you everything you needed except fleet marks. Dili and ECs and if you were lucky a nice console or piece of gear.
Now its more spread out. You have to play more of the content to get the things you need. And since your to do list got longer you feel overwhelmed.
It won't solve the issue for many of us. Dilithium isn't the issue, it's how you get rewarded. There is more than enough easy dil accross the board, obviously if it was a real issue people would adapt. Here it's not the case, it's about incentives to play.
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My game time went from six hours a day to about an hour.
I will sign into the system tomorrow, for Cryptic is making some minor changes. If I don't see anything that makes my game experience more exciting, I will sign off within a mater of fifteen to twenty minutes.
I will most likely be down to ten minute sessions by Saturday.
Did you know it is a fact that the more house work a man does - the more Adult time he gets with his wife? So for those men out there get cleaning and vacuming! Several studies graphed it out - the higher the line goes for doing household chores - the high the line goes for frequency of intimate spousal relations. That is assuming men are interested in that.
First mayor problem: Everything is time gated now.
How much Dil can you refine? Time Gated.
How often can you run group content? Time gated.
How often can you advance in reputation? Time Gated.
You want to buy something off the rep stores? Time Gated.
Feeling like you're advancing your character? Time Gated too!
Honestly why keep playing for longer than an 30 minutes a day?
The second problem is Cryptic's bizarre fetish with dictating the playtime of its players. Why have so many marks at all? Why not have everything simply drop a generic "mark" that is usable for everything? As it is you're locked into specific content that will only yield a limited amount of usefull currency per day. Maybe you like Mine Trap but are forced to run STFs for Omege Marks. Or maybe you desperately need fleet marks but are sick of the fleet events..... but you can't run STFs for fleet marks so you have to decide if its worth it at all. So again, you choose to simply not run one, the other, or maybe anything at all! It'll take some rebalancing to get it right (in particular Fleet Events and Romulan Mark events seem to be notoriously stingy) but giving players some choice would go a long way towards lessenning dissatisfaction and burnout.
I think you are out of line there - if you check my posts I keep suggesting ways for Cryptic to make the game even better. There are serious issues here and the slide is visible to most people without rose coloured glasses. I don't want that to happen - hence these threads hopefully will help cryptic to make more changes to keep this game expanding instead of contracting. Now I have no hard data - just my and others I know observations. Same as you.
But I got to thinking if you decide to hold on to your marks we are back to square one.
I asked a lot of times now, why did we have to kill stf exactly, why did we have to have a reputation system, god knows it wasn't for our sake
I mean look at it, they have come out and said on several occasions they were doing great and had doubled their staff and what not.
So what precisely is the problem, why couldn't we have what we had and then give us something fun instead.
Where does all the cutting back and decreasing rewards really come from ?
It's a "necessary evil" that's not even necessary, just evil
If there exist a person that thinks moving sliders and buying hypos is supreme satisfying and cutting end gaming I'd love to hear from him, so I can ask, WHAT DAMNED PLANET ARE YOU FROM
And it's not a rhetorical question either, I still don't get it, why exactly.
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ps.
The one thing I heard was "making the game last long" but you know what I wasn't thinking about retiring before
are you working on tier 3? those have not been updated yet - tomorrows patch
only T1 and 2 have been reduced to 20
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=457021
Prior to S7 I had done over 300 STF's, many of them on elite mode. How many over 300, I don't know exactly as that's what the accolade dings at. Since Season 7 went live I've run exactly 4. Three Infected Space Elites and 1 Hive Space. I've queued up for CSE and KSE several times, but they never popped.
In regards to fleet activity, prior to S7 there was about 5 active players in my fleet. Projects were getting finished every day. Since S7 went live, we've had the exact same projects sitting with almost the exact same completed percentage.
So in closing, season 7 really has killed what little enjoyment there used to be in this game for me.
Now I'm back and play a lot more.
I can safely say the statement above is completely wrong. While the forums are filled with the self absorbed and self indulgent and even the outright childish, your statement is just as foolishly over broad
This isn't about hating the game. I like the game enough to keep playing even when things have been made less than fun by S7 changes and imbalances. Quite the contrary, the criticism is due to real and well founded concerns.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
Expatriot Might Characters in EXILE
I'm trying to get myself into playing STO again but most of the stuff being added to the game just does not appeal to me.
What do I do? Grind Dili for Starbase projects? Or for Embassy projects? Or do I be selfish and go grind OM's and RM's for my own character's advancement? Or do I try to balance this all over all 12 of my characters?
In the end it is just one long grind with a cloudy finish line, so I end up doing nothing
My fleet (a medium sized fleet with about 300 characters played by about 50 or so active members) has seen a great morale drop. There used to be fun chat in our fleet's private channel, there were usually 8-10 people on our voice server at any given time of the day, and plenty of excitement for doing fleet activity. Now, our chat channel is bogged down with general dislike of Season 7. Our voice server can hit 10 or 12 people during peak hours, but is pretty much a ghost town the rest of the time. And with the private queue system down, it is very tough to get a fleet PvP match in or get a good STF team together (not that there is much of a reason to grind STF's these days without a loot drop at the end).
I hope that Cryptic sees what this endless grind system has done to what was once a very fun game. I have played this game since 2 weeks after launch, and even lasted through the "Great Content Drought" before F2P launch....But now I am finding it a chore to log in....As some others have stated in this thread, I have a job, I don't want another
Perhaps I'll try some of the other F2P titles out there for a little while and see if things get better here. I am a life long Star Trek fan and I do love this game, I just don't like it very much right now...
Co-Founder of TOS Veterans and TOS Qan Mang
I think your case is very common - and similar fleets are experiencing exactly the same slowdown - which will get worse once people go throught their pre-season 7 borg conversion to dilthium stockpiles.
Cryptic should take statements like yours and other similar as huge alarm bells going off and jump in front of this freight-train before it's too late.
At this point adding stuff all over the place would not be a bad business move - especially during the Christmas season when other things could make the situation worse.
Waiting for more data Mr Stahl is NOT a good plan at this point.
Sisko : "Fortune favors the Bold"
Yes i am working on tier 3. I dont really see any point to log in and play untill i hit tier 5.
Other than to get marks for the next project.
How many we active daily before vs now?
the starbase, haven't even done the t2 upgrade. We have active embassy projects
(recruitment only), but it takes forever to fill them due to the lack of fleet marks and
dilithium.
I play some SB24, a colony invasion and a fleet alert if there's an event running,
then do Tau Dewa patrol during the rep event. I am progressing Romulan rep, but not Omega.
I'm getting really tired of the fleet events
but I didn't find them very engaging after a few runs. New Romulus is nice, but the gw2-style
missions get old fast too.
Otherwise I am doffing a little since I just switched to a new main, but once the chains
are done I probably won't play it as much. Other than that, I spend my time in game
buying and selling white fleet doffs.. :rolleyes:
Joined in March, 2011. Lifer since December, 2011.
I don't hate this game, and i think the devs are trying to do their best. I'm just a bit tired after the excitement provided by new content. Now it's gone. No more good players in stfs, no more doffing, no more great rewards outside of the reputation system, no need to replay endgame content... That's not attractive.
Actually i think cryptic made a major mistake: they made grinding for yourself very easy and achievable and grinding for your small community (your fleet) a real chore. While i enjoyed the "chore" to do stfs for my own rewards and spending some time for my fleet, it's now completely reversed, and since everyone in every fleet is thinking "someone else will do it", no one ever does it, and you end up with the most active players burnt out in fleets.
Too much chores related to fleets, and no rewards you can gain by yourself and for yourself is completely discouraging for many people, and they just stop doing what used to be the individual chores, aka stfs.
I'm not opposed to help others, playing with them. I like that. But i also want something for myself, not just seeing a % progressing. What do you get when you play starbase incursion? A handful of stupid fleetmarks with insignificant rewards for yourself, and it's even worse since it's gated behind tiers. I just want incentives and not feeling i'm doing all the hard work for others, even if they are nice (and most of the time they aren't).
Before season 7, our way to build a community was: we play stfs with others to help them getting their rewards, or to get our rewards, and we were playing them till everyone get both sets, and it started over when someone rolled a new char. It was an unending system and it worked, because we always got something for ourself - including some epic rewards - while helping other members of the community. Now, the only way to build a community is aroung the horrible fleet system, where everyone can contribute or not, you don't need everyone to contribute, and those not contributing get the exact same amount of rewards. Thus there's no incentive to contribute and your best strategy is to contribute as little as you can and hope others will pay/do the job for you.
Season 7 removed the individual rewards to gate them behind walls others can destroy for you. We're all free riders! I don't want to be mean but it's the worst possible design.
I really think that's what is making people completely discouraged. You have to grind a lot for others (at least that's what they feel), communities are starting to fall apart (the stf and doff ones are great examples), and no one feels committed to the game anymore. And it's extremely contagious.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Officer of the watch - change to 30 marks and 480 dilthium - now - don't wait for the fleet data to dry up completely and people move on to other things.
Add 2 new Fed dailies that are on the KDF side
killed 50 Npc's on ground
Kill 50 npc's in space
480 dilthium each and can be combined with all the other mission/FA/content
Dilthium market is collapsing, people are not contributing to bases, people are not running content or just the bare min - people are leaving! Don't wait for more data.
"Fortune favors the Bold"
Its not a race there is never an end. Just play the game. People are upset because stfs used to get you everything you needed except fleet marks. Dili and ECs and if you were lucky a nice console or piece of gear.
Now its more spread out. You have to play more of the content to get the things you need. And since your to do list got longer you feel overwhelmed.
It won't solve the issue for many of us. Dilithium isn't the issue, it's how you get rewarded. There is more than enough easy dil accross the board, obviously if it was a real issue people would adapt. Here it's not the case, it's about incentives to play.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
My character Tsin'xing