I don't think Khan will be in this film (its being speculated everywhere) but I do think it'll involve Augments. There are reveals of a fight scene between Benedicts' character and Spock. Would a normal Human be able to fight a Vulcan so easily?
Also, anyone seen the new banner? If I didn't know any better, I'd say the Starfleet logo was carved into a Borg Cube.
But now Kirk is in the same class as Chekov (thus he is 20 years younger) this makes him 11 years YOUNGER than gary
And his father died before anything else happened
Why can't Gary exist?
because none of them do now
if he had existed which he no longer does
thats only part of it
Kirk is now 20 years younger than he should be
also there is no Vulcan
its complex but the cosmos is unmade and remade
no one from the real trek is unchanged
even uhura has gone from strong independant smart woman to "spocks bit of fluff"
Kirk was only born a few months early because of the Narada. The explanation given in the tie-ins is that Winona was using pregnancy slowing drugs that failed due to the trauma of the attack. He's actually OLDER in the J.J.-verse than he was in the Prime Universe because of a premature delivery. And he gets command of the Enterprise six years early, despite starting the Academy five years late.
(In the J.J.verse, he started the Academy in 2255 and took command of the Enterprise in in 2259 vs. starting the Academy in 2250 and taking command of the Enterprise in 2265 in the Prime timeline.)
Now, Chekov in the JJ-verse was born four years early and so is likely, on a genetic level, the brother of Prime Chekov, who simply has the same name and parents. And he was 17 in the film.
I think you're sortof willfully destroying the timeline more than Orci and Kurtzman did because you didn't like the film.
Eventually someone will go back in time and delete Abrams thus saving a hundred trillion lives
I have to agree, why is it that people have to take a good thing and mash the hell out of it so they can call it their own.
Oh well, I'll probably watch it just for the sake of it being science fiction and will probably be a special effects festival, other than that, Trek is pretty much dead and everything now is just scavengers picking at the bones.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
I don't think Khan will be in this film (its being speculated everywhere) but I do think it'll involve Augments. There are reveals of a fight scene between Benedicts' character and Spock. Would a normal Human be able to fight a Vulcan so easily?
Also, anyone seen the new banner? If I didn't know any better, I'd say the Starfleet logo was carved into a Borg Cube.
Only in a vague sense. I think we'll see a play in the upgrades that happened to the Galileo 6 being replicated to create a genetically modified super-soldier with godlike mental powers.
Kirk and Spock will be all like, "This violates the bans put in place after the eugenics wars."
And Cumberbatch will be all like, "Starfleet secretly changed after 9-11... I mean the Narada attack. I'm the product of the changed attitudes, engineered by Section 31 as part of Project Q to make starships themselves obsolete. I'm a god."
Kirk: "Granted, a god doesn't need a starship. But no. We do things by the sweat of the brow. Old fashioned hard work. Apple pie. The constitution! We don't need gods, just good people."
And Cumberbatch goes ragey and Pike is all like, "Man. I thought this 'creating a god' business was a bad idea. Yeah, I knew about it. Go get 'em, Kirk."
I think it's definitely a Section 31 plot here. Spock Prime was likely debriefed, and informed Starfleet of the dangers and challenges that awaited the Prime universe in this time period. I mean think about it, how would things have changed if Starfleet knew what those Cybernetic beings were in the Enterprise episode Regeneration?
What about the Bajorans, the Cardassians, and the Wormhole? Spock could have told them all about the last 150 years of history between the destruction of Praxis all the way up to the explosion at Hobus. Section 31 would be salivating over the 'extraordinary threats' coming up over the next century.
Enterprise would be history by the time of Spock's/Nero's actions, but 150 years of future history have been thrown in the crapper.
The only reason the Borg became aware of humanity was due to Q's meddling, avoid Q, avoid the Borg. If the Borg never came to the Alpha quadrant to begin with they would never have gone back to Earths history to eventually be found by the NX01.
The only reason for Khan being found was because the Enterprise was in the right place at the right time to find the Botany Bay, put the Enterprise somewhere else and the Bounty bay continues to drift in empty space and Khan and the augments remain a historical footnote.
This time travel nonsense has thrown a wrench in the works of all of the Star Trek we know, that's why they did it, so then can make up all new stories that have nothing to do with Star Trek's history.
Instead of creating something that fits with the existing franchise, they pushed the magic reset button, time travel, which in my opinion, sucks.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
I don't know what to think. I mean this suggests something darker than DS9 offered us.
Nice, however nothing JJ makes can equal DS9, hell none of the other series approached DS9 in anyway.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Kirk was only born a few months early because of the Narada. The explanation given in the tie-ins is that Winona was using pregnancy slowing drugs that failed due to the trauma of the attack. He's actually OLDER in the J.J.-verse than he was in the Prime Universe because of a premature delivery. And he gets command of the Enterprise six years early, despite starting the Academy five years late.
Kirk became a captain as an ADULT and after many years as a competent officer
kirkie from JJ verse becomes a captain at an age when he should have been an Ensign
and thus is incompetent
(In the J.J.verse, he started the Academy in 2255 and took command of the Enterprise in in 2259 vs. starting the Academy in 2250 and taking command of the Enterprise in 2265 in the Prime timeline.)
Aged 35
not 20
Now, Chekov in the JJ-verse was born four years early and so is likely, on a genetic level, the brother of Prime Chekov, who simply has the same name and parents. And he was 17 in the film.
so you claim the Chekovs could only think of one name for Both sons??
he is the same man and as old as kirk
Sulu is also in the same class
its just a cop out
I think you're sortof willfully destroying the timeline more than Orci and Kurtzman did because you didn't like the film
.
give me a timeship for the DAY and ill erase the whole mess AND make Starfleet safe for a millenia
Enterprise would be history by the time of Spock's/Nero's actions, but 150 years of future history have been thrown in the crapper.
The only reason the Borg became aware of humanity was due to Q's meddling, avoid Q, avoid the Borg. If the Borg never came to the Alpha quadrant to begin with they would never have gone back to Earths history to eventually be found by the NX01.
The only reason for Khan being found was because the Enterprise was in the right place at the right time to find the Botany Bay, put the Enterprise somewhere else and the Bounty bay continues to drift in empty space and Khan and the augments remain a historical footnote.
This time travel nonsense has thrown a wrench in the works of all of the Star Trek we know, that's why they did it, so then can make up all new stories that have nothing to do with Star Trek's history.
Instead of creating something that fits with the existing franchise, they pushed the magic reset button, time travel, which in my opinion, sucks.
Here's the thing.
In Star Trek, destiny is basically an imaginary law of physics. Events tend to flow a certain way, regardless of specifics.
"Time is like a river," Spock said in TOS. The Mirror Universe managed to have all the same people be born and wind up in the same geographic regions. Same thing with episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Parallels."
Treat destiny as a natural force. There is no butterfly effect in the Star Trek universe, except in isolated cases like Edith Keeler. Change history and most of the same stuff still happens as close as is possible.
Destiny is a force like gravity or magnetism. The timeline wants to be written a certain way and hews as closely as possible to that template, regardless of changes.
Repeat after me: the butterfly effect does not exist. Destiny is a natural force. If one person doesn't do something, history will impose the next best approximation.
Example Tuvok was never born
thus voyager is never lost in the delta quadrant
thus there is no contact with the slipstream tech
Example due to the kirk age thing Dr marcus was never born
thus no genesis device
Example due to spocks weird attraction to Uhura Enterprise is destroyed early in the 5 year mission and thus many many people die
Example due to the death of Amanda Spocks father dies of his illness and there is no peace in several places
Example the babal conference has no vulcan delegate Corridan becomes an orion world
Example kirk has no brother thus the alien parasites destroy hundreds of worlds
Example Kirk fails to destroy the doomsday device
Example sadly due to changes piccard is never born
Riker captains the enterprise
The Enterprise is DESTROYED by Q and the human race returned to earth and caged
Only if Bloomington, Indiana is nuked and the Janeway's wiped out during Into Darkness. Then Tuvok from New Vulcan gets command of Voyager. Who chooses to not destroy the Caretaker's array. Thus getting home early.
OR quantum slipstream is developed early and a more advanced Voyager outruns the Caretaker's teleportation beam.
Nice, however nothing JJ makes can equal DS9, hell none of the other series approached DS9 in anyway.
I liked DS9 well enough. But I don't think it overshadowed the other series. At least it's darker tone was interpreted through story arcs. Over most of a season. With reasonable build up and resolve. I can't predict Trek 2's method for drawing in the viewer in two hours. Or how satisfied with the conclusion we may be.
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What happened to the space adventure genre? Exploration, discovery, diplomacy...Oh no, no, no, we need wars. Yeah, wars. And lots of violence. And death. And despair. And death again. That's what gets the pop-corn eating audience to see a movie. And lens flares. Don't forget the lens flares. And the shaky seizure-inducing camera movement.
Remember "A Voyage Home"? What a disaster that movie was. Because there were no lens flares.
I can't even imagine Picard being in the Abram-verse.
You know what the Abram-verse universe reminds me of? The alternate reality Starfleet in "Yesterday's Enterprise". Starfleet is more of a military organization now.
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Actually there are going to be changes
Example Tuvok was never born
OR Tuvok just isn't born on Vulcan. But New Vulcan instead.
nope
does not work
if he was born to a dying race he would not join starfleet
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thus voyager is never lost in the delta quadrant
Only if Bloomington, Indiana is nuked and the Janeway's wiped out during Into Darkness. Then Tuvok from New Vulcan gets command of Voyager. Who chooses to not destroy the Caretaker's array. Thus getting home early.
janeway dies as an ensign because Tuvok does not exist
OR quantum slipstream is developed early and a more advanced Voyager outruns the Caretaker's teleportation beam.
its impossible in jj verse
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Example due to the death of Amanda Spocks father dies of his illness and there is no peace in several places
Or does Sarek's heart problem get treated - by a Vulcan surgeon - earlier due to discreet intervention from Spock-Prime?
who dare not interfere
AND who dies himself long before due to temporal stress
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Example the babal conference has no vulcan delegate Corridan becomes an orion world
Enterprise would be history by the time of Spock's/Nero's actions, but 150 years of future history have been thrown in the crapper.
The only reason the Borg became aware of humanity was due to Q's meddling, avoid Q, avoid the Borg. If the Borg never came to the Alpha quadrant to begin with they would never have gone back to Earths history to eventually be found by the NX01.
The only reason for Khan being found was because the Enterprise was in the right place at the right time to find the Botany Bay, put the Enterprise somewhere else and the Bounty bay continues to drift in empty space and Khan and the augments remain a historical footnote.
This time travel nonsense has thrown a wrench in the works of all of the Star Trek we know, that's why they did it, so then can make up all new stories that have nothing to do with Star Trek's history.
Instead of creating something that fits with the existing franchise, they pushed the magic reset button, time travel, which in my opinion, sucks.
you know that its meant to be a parallel reality now? so we have the prime timeline and the new one. they both run along side each other just like the mirror universe does and the infinite other realities that have been suggested in other trek episodes.
nothing has been deleted or removed. the prime timeline is still there. it does allow them to tell new stories but it does not invalidate the old ones. its a 'what if' type reality.
nope
does not work
if he was born to a dying race he would not join starfleet
So are you Tuvok? Have you lived his life and know exactly what he's going to do next Tuesday? Unfortunately you are not. As a result of the destruction of Vulcan there could be tons of reasons as to why Tuvok would choose to either join Starfleet or not join it. To be honest it could go either way.
janeway dies as an ensign because Tuvok does not exist
Who says it's Tuvok that has to save Janeway? If Tuvok for some reason chose not to join Starfleet then what if she met someone else and what if that someone else saved her life? There's nothing that says that it's Tuvok that has to save her.
Planet or no planet.. .I'm pretty sure the Vulcans are still a Federation member.
Look when it comes down to it all I think you are worrying about things that really do not matter. As stoleviathan99 pointed out, destinies always find a way of fulfilling themselves. Voyager would still get lost in the Delta Quadrant (whether Tuvok or Janeways are there), the Dominion War would probably still happen, Picard would still become Locutus, etc. etc. These things were meant to happen. Yes, the way that these events happen might be different.. other things might be different.. but the important events.. the destinies would remain the same.
On a side note, I find it really troubling that some Star Trek fans still have such a difficult time grasping that the Abrams-verse is an alternate universe. (I'm not specifically meaning the person I quoted above, just in general). The Prime Timeline still exists. Everything that happened in TNG, DS9 and Voyager still happened. No need to worry.
I'm a hardcore Trekkie and for a long while I had a very difficult time accepting the 2009 movie. Is it the Star Trek we all know and love? Not really. TV and movies are different now and the same stuff that aired in the 60s and then subsequently the 90s just won't fly anymore in this day and age unfortunately. It's fair enough if you just don't like it.. when it comes to Trek, for reasons I just don't understand, we're a hard bunch to please. Go enjoy STID for what it is if you want to.. but nobody is forcing you to accept it into your life. The prime timeline is still there for everyone to enjoy, including you!
So are you Tuvok? Have you lived his life and know exactly what he's going to do next Tuesday? Unfortunately you are not. As a result of the destruction of Vulcan there could be tons of reasons as to why Tuvok would choose to either join Starfleet or not join it. To be honest it could go either way.
After the death of Vulcan no Vulcan can join starfleet
Logic dictates they do NOTHING dangerous and nothing that reduces breeding numbers for at least 12 generations to regain numbers
indeed they would have to breed constantly which would mean artificially induced pon far
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Originally Posted by sollvax
janeway dies as an ensign because Tuvok does not exist
Who says it's Tuvok that has to save Janeway? If Tuvok for some reason chose not to join Starfleet then what if she met someone else and what if that someone else saved her life? There's nothing that says that it's Tuvok that has to save her.
You have Seen janeway
No one with a normal capacity for emotion would save the whinging little pest in her youth
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representing who?
Vulcan no longer has a vote
Planet or no planet.. .I'm pretty sure the Vulcans are still a Federation member.
nope
they are federation citizens
but with no planet they have no council seat
besides there aren't enough of them to host a reasonably sized poker game
Look when it comes down to it all I think you are worrying about things that really do not matter. As stoleviathan99 pointed out, destinies always find a way of fulfilling themselves.
not if you timestrike the main people behind them
time is a strong river
drop a twig (kill a messenger) and it returns to its bed
drop a Tree (kill a politician ) it returns to its bed
Drop a mountain in it (kill the man who actually matters like for example Kirk Senior) and it changes course
Voyager would still get lost in the Delta Quadrant (whether Tuvok or Janeways are there),
Nah
A completely different captain is assigned
the Marque are wiped out and the Captain gets a promotion
or the smarter captain uses a timer on the array
the Dominion War would probably still happen
yes but the federation loses
#, Picard would still become Locutus, etc. etc.
piccard is unlikely to be born
These things were meant to happen. Yes, the way that these events happen might be different.. other things might be different.. but the important events.. the destinies would remain the same.
there is no such thing as destiny
on the plus side this younger kirk WILL kneel to Apollo
On a side note, I find it really troubling that some Star Trek fans still have such a difficult time grasping that the Abrams-verse is an alternate universe. (I'm not specifically meaning the person I quoted above, just in general). The Prime Timeline still exists. Everything that happened in TNG, DS9 and Voyager still happened. No need to worry.
there is only ONE universe (thats what Universe means)
the "mirror" is merely a cracked part of it
I'm a hardcore Trekkie and for a long while I had a very difficult time accepting the 2009 movie. Is it the Star Trek we all know and love? Not really. TV and movies are different now and the same stuff that aired in the 60s and then subsequently the 90s just won't fly anymore in this day and age unfortunately.
yes you can't have heroes now
everyone has to be sex mad and flawed
It's fair enough if you just don't like it.. when it comes to Trek, for reasons I just don't understand, we're a hard bunch to please. Go enjoy STID for what it is if you want to.. but nobody is forcing you to accept it into your life. The prime timeline is still there for everyone to enjoy, including you!
we have to save the universe And todays kids from thinking its ok to treat Green women as disposable
You sir really have a one-dimensional way of thinking about the Star Trek Universe. Your one comment about Janeway was enough of a warning bell to me and pretty much gives me all of the information I need to know regarding this discussion in your point of view.. so with that... good luck with your Trekking!
Repeat after me: the butterfly effect does not exist. Destiny is a natural force. If one person doesn't do something, history will impose the next best approximation.
If Destiny were a factor it would have been impossible for Nero to destroy Vulcan. Destiny presupposes that events are manipulated by some outside guiding force and free will and random chance do not exist, sorry but things don't work that way in any reality I'm aware of, but I do think that these movies have been getting extremely predictable.
you know that its meant to be a parallel reality now? so we have the prime timeline and the new one. they both run along side each other just like the mirror universe does and the infinite other realities that have been suggested in other trek episodes.
nothing has been deleted or removed. the prime timeline is still there. it does allow them to tell new stories but it does not invalidate the old ones. its a 'what if' type reality.
Except this new reality is going to have lots of shallow flash bang quicky trills with none of the intellectual flavor of the old.
I puked watching the first 5 mins of the 2009 movie. Good thing it was on free on Netflix at the time. If I saw it in the theater I would be demanding my money back. So I will spend my time/money on a movie far better on watching. JJ should quit on these movies and stick with movies on being lost. That is all he is totally lost.
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London is overdue.
Tokyo gets nailed every time a new giant monster is born, it's kind of miraculous that San Fransisco hasn't slid into the sea by the 23th Century and I think New York has been blown up enough for everyone's tastes for a while.
So it's either London or Vegas.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
London is overdue.
Tokyo gets nailed every time a new giant monster is born, it's kind of miraculous that San Fransisco hasn't slid into the sea by the 23th Century and I think New York has been blown up enough for everyone's tastes for a while.
So it's either London or Vegas.
London is overdue.
Tokyo gets nailed every time a new giant monster is born, it's kind of miraculous that San Fransisco hasn't slid into the sea by the 23th Century and I think New York has been blown up enough for everyone's tastes for a while.
So it's either London or Vegas.
California became an island in one of those Sci-Fi movies. Some earthquake finally broke it free at the fault. I didn't get to see the whole movie, just caught the tail end of it.
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Also, anyone seen the new banner? If I didn't know any better, I'd say the Starfleet logo was carved into a Borg Cube.
http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/ST13-Poster.jpg
I don't know what to think. I mean this suggests something darker than DS9 offered us.
Hmm i like the way that the "hole" looks like a combadge
Kirk was only born a few months early because of the Narada. The explanation given in the tie-ins is that Winona was using pregnancy slowing drugs that failed due to the trauma of the attack. He's actually OLDER in the J.J.-verse than he was in the Prime Universe because of a premature delivery. And he gets command of the Enterprise six years early, despite starting the Academy five years late.
(In the J.J.verse, he started the Academy in 2255 and took command of the Enterprise in in 2259 vs. starting the Academy in 2250 and taking command of the Enterprise in 2265 in the Prime timeline.)
Now, Chekov in the JJ-verse was born four years early and so is likely, on a genetic level, the brother of Prime Chekov, who simply has the same name and parents. And he was 17 in the film.
I think you're sortof willfully destroying the timeline more than Orci and Kurtzman did because you didn't like the film.
Oh well, I'll probably watch it just for the sake of it being science fiction and will probably be a special effects festival, other than that, Trek is pretty much dead and everything now is just scavengers picking at the bones.
Only in a vague sense. I think we'll see a play in the upgrades that happened to the Galileo 6 being replicated to create a genetically modified super-soldier with godlike mental powers.
Kirk and Spock will be all like, "This violates the bans put in place after the eugenics wars."
And Cumberbatch will be all like, "Starfleet secretly changed after 9-11... I mean the Narada attack. I'm the product of the changed attitudes, engineered by Section 31 as part of Project Q to make starships themselves obsolete. I'm a god."
Kirk: "Granted, a god doesn't need a starship. But no. We do things by the sweat of the brow. Old fashioned hard work. Apple pie. The constitution! We don't need gods, just good people."
And Cumberbatch goes ragey and Pike is all like, "Man. I thought this 'creating a god' business was a bad idea. Yeah, I knew about it. Go get 'em, Kirk."
What about the Bajorans, the Cardassians, and the Wormhole? Spock could have told them all about the last 150 years of history between the destruction of Praxis all the way up to the explosion at Hobus. Section 31 would be salivating over the 'extraordinary threats' coming up over the next century.
The only reason the Borg became aware of humanity was due to Q's meddling, avoid Q, avoid the Borg. If the Borg never came to the Alpha quadrant to begin with they would never have gone back to Earths history to eventually be found by the NX01.
The only reason for Khan being found was because the Enterprise was in the right place at the right time to find the Botany Bay, put the Enterprise somewhere else and the Bounty bay continues to drift in empty space and Khan and the augments remain a historical footnote.
This time travel nonsense has thrown a wrench in the works of all of the Star Trek we know, that's why they did it, so then can make up all new stories that have nothing to do with Star Trek's history.
Instead of creating something that fits with the existing franchise, they pushed the magic reset button, time travel, which in my opinion, sucks.
Nice, however nothing JJ makes can equal DS9, hell none of the other series approached DS9 in anyway.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Kirk became a captain as an ADULT and after many years as a competent officer
kirkie from JJ verse becomes a captain at an age when he should have been an Ensign
and thus is incompetent
Aged 35
not 20
so you claim the Chekovs could only think of one name for Both sons??
he is the same man and as old as kirk
Sulu is also in the same class
its just a cop out
.
give me a timeship for the DAY and ill erase the whole mess AND make Starfleet safe for a millenia
Here's the thing.
In Star Trek, destiny is basically an imaginary law of physics. Events tend to flow a certain way, regardless of specifics.
"Time is like a river," Spock said in TOS. The Mirror Universe managed to have all the same people be born and wind up in the same geographic regions. Same thing with episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Parallels."
Treat destiny as a natural force. There is no butterfly effect in the Star Trek universe, except in isolated cases like Edith Keeler. Change history and most of the same stuff still happens as close as is possible.
Destiny is a force like gravity or magnetism. The timeline wants to be written a certain way and hews as closely as possible to that template, regardless of changes.
Repeat after me: the butterfly effect does not exist. Destiny is a natural force. If one person doesn't do something, history will impose the next best approximation.
Example Tuvok was never born
thus voyager is never lost in the delta quadrant
thus there is no contact with the slipstream tech
Example due to the kirk age thing Dr marcus was never born
thus no genesis device
Example due to spocks weird attraction to Uhura Enterprise is destroyed early in the 5 year mission and thus many many people die
Example due to the death of Amanda Spocks father dies of his illness and there is no peace in several places
Example the babal conference has no vulcan delegate Corridan becomes an orion world
Example kirk has no brother thus the alien parasites destroy hundreds of worlds
Example Kirk fails to destroy the doomsday device
Example sadly due to changes piccard is never born
Riker captains the enterprise
The Enterprise is DESTROYED by Q and the human race returned to earth and caged
so many changes are possible
OR Tuvok just isn't born on Vulcan. But New Vulcan instead.
Only if Bloomington, Indiana is nuked and the Janeway's wiped out during Into Darkness. Then Tuvok from New Vulcan gets command of Voyager. Who chooses to not destroy the Caretaker's array. Thus getting home early.
OR quantum slipstream is developed early and a more advanced Voyager outruns the Caretaker's teleportation beam.
Or does Sarek's heart problem get treated - by a Vulcan surgeon - earlier due to discreet intervention from Spock-Prime?
Or do they send Spock-Prime instead?
Agreed.
I liked DS9 well enough. But I don't think it overshadowed the other series. At least it's darker tone was interpreted through story arcs. Over most of a season. With reasonable build up and resolve. I can't predict Trek 2's method for drawing in the viewer in two hours. Or how satisfied with the conclusion we may be.
What happened to the space adventure genre? Exploration, discovery, diplomacy...Oh no, no, no, we need wars. Yeah, wars. And lots of violence. And death. And despair. And death again. That's what gets the pop-corn eating audience to see a movie. And lens flares. Don't forget the lens flares. And the shaky seizure-inducing camera movement.
Remember "A Voyage Home"? What a disaster that movie was. Because there were no lens flares.
I can't even imagine Picard being in the Abram-verse.
You know what the Abram-verse universe reminds me of? The alternate reality Starfleet in "Yesterday's Enterprise". Starfleet is more of a military organization now.
"The quest for the Book of Ignum"
"I have seen your future. I have seen your end"
nope
does not work
if he was born to a dying race he would not join starfleet
janeway dies as an ensign because Tuvok does not exist
its impossible in jj verse
who dare not interfere
AND who dies himself long before due to temporal stress
representing who?
Vulcan no longer has a vote
you know that its meant to be a parallel reality now? so we have the prime timeline and the new one. they both run along side each other just like the mirror universe does and the infinite other realities that have been suggested in other trek episodes.
nothing has been deleted or removed. the prime timeline is still there. it does allow them to tell new stories but it does not invalidate the old ones. its a 'what if' type reality.
So are you Tuvok? Have you lived his life and know exactly what he's going to do next Tuesday? Unfortunately you are not. As a result of the destruction of Vulcan there could be tons of reasons as to why Tuvok would choose to either join Starfleet or not join it. To be honest it could go either way.
Who says it's Tuvok that has to save Janeway? If Tuvok for some reason chose not to join Starfleet then what if she met someone else and what if that someone else saved her life? There's nothing that says that it's Tuvok that has to save her.
Planet or no planet.. .I'm pretty sure the Vulcans are still a Federation member.
Look when it comes down to it all I think you are worrying about things that really do not matter. As stoleviathan99 pointed out, destinies always find a way of fulfilling themselves. Voyager would still get lost in the Delta Quadrant (whether Tuvok or Janeways are there), the Dominion War would probably still happen, Picard would still become Locutus, etc. etc. These things were meant to happen. Yes, the way that these events happen might be different.. other things might be different.. but the important events.. the destinies would remain the same.
On a side note, I find it really troubling that some Star Trek fans still have such a difficult time grasping that the Abrams-verse is an alternate universe. (I'm not specifically meaning the person I quoted above, just in general). The Prime Timeline still exists. Everything that happened in TNG, DS9 and Voyager still happened. No need to worry.
I'm a hardcore Trekkie and for a long while I had a very difficult time accepting the 2009 movie. Is it the Star Trek we all know and love? Not really. TV and movies are different now and the same stuff that aired in the 60s and then subsequently the 90s just won't fly anymore in this day and age unfortunately. It's fair enough if you just don't like it.. when it comes to Trek, for reasons I just don't understand, we're a hard bunch to please. Go enjoy STID for what it is if you want to.. but nobody is forcing you to accept it into your life. The prime timeline is still there for everyone to enjoy, including you!
I hope to god that is a cruel prank.
After the death of Vulcan no Vulcan can join starfleet
Logic dictates they do NOTHING dangerous and nothing that reduces breeding numbers for at least 12 generations to regain numbers
indeed they would have to breed constantly which would mean artificially induced pon far
You have Seen janeway
No one with a normal capacity for emotion would save the whinging little pest in her youth
nope
they are federation citizens
but with no planet they have no council seat
besides there aren't enough of them to host a reasonably sized poker game
not if you timestrike the main people behind them
time is a strong river
drop a twig (kill a messenger) and it returns to its bed
drop a Tree (kill a politician ) it returns to its bed
Drop a mountain in it (kill the man who actually matters like for example Kirk Senior) and it changes course
Nah
A completely different captain is assigned
the Marque are wiped out and the Captain gets a promotion
or the smarter captain uses a timer on the array
yes but the federation loses
piccard is unlikely to be born
there is no such thing as destiny
on the plus side this younger kirk WILL kneel to Apollo
there is only ONE universe (thats what Universe means)
the "mirror" is merely a cracked part of it
yes you can't have heroes now
everyone has to be sex mad and flawed
we have to save the universe And todays kids from thinking its ok to treat Green women as disposable
You sir really have a one-dimensional way of thinking about the Star Trek Universe. Your one comment about Janeway was enough of a warning bell to me and pretty much gives me all of the information I need to know regarding this discussion in your point of view.. so with that... good luck with your Trekking!
Except this new reality is going to have lots of shallow flash bang quicky trills with none of the intellectual flavor of the old.
Nope that's what happens to Earth when you have JJ at the helm, everything gets blown up, but it's all better by the end of the movie.
I fear it's not! :rolleyes:
(the Wheel is on the left and that Torpedo Building (I forgot its name) is on the right)
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Tokyo gets nailed every time a new giant monster is born, it's kind of miraculous that San Fransisco hasn't slid into the sea by the 23th Century and I think New York has been blown up enough for everyone's tastes for a while.
So it's either London or Vegas.
Vegas has had it share:
Damnation Alley (1977)
Mars Attacks! (1996)
Resident Evil: Extinction (2007)
2012 (2009)
Destruction: Las Vegas (made for TV movie - 2013)
San Francisco is due to slide in about 18 days.
California became an island in one of those Sci-Fi movies. Some earthquake finally broke it free at the fault. I didn't get to see the whole movie, just caught the tail end of it.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.