I'd be fine if people think it looks ugly, might lower its price on the exchange :S
Amen to that!
The Breen ships would be a good candidate for KDF science captains I'd have thought, considering the Breen love their energy drain technology. It seems fair that something to rival the Vesta class should come along.
I also think it should be unique to the KDF, Breen ships piloted by FED players just won't make sense.
I also think it should be unique to the KDF, Breen ships piloted by FED players just won't make sense.
Because Starfleet crews perminantly flying around in a Jem Hadar, Cardassian, Ferengi or Tholian vessel does make sense? :rolleyes: I think not.
The Breen ship will end up for both FED and KDF players. In a perfect world, the Jem Hadar, Cardassian and Breen ships would have been saved for a Cardassian Faction (or at least an off-shoot of the Cardassian Faction; more of a former Dominion Alliance).
Read the Typhon Pact novels as its explained on one of those quite well ... Love their version of the Breen.
Smoke and mirrors ... smoke and mirrors ...
I'm not a fan of their version, really. It works too hard to explain something that has simpler explanations.
It all plays off two things.
1) That Weyoun calls the Breen homeworld "quite pleasant." (Which was a gag line of dialogue anyway, meant to be funny. And we don't know if Breen can function outside the suits on the homeworld or whether Weyoun thinks sub-zero temperatures are "pleasant.")
2) Kira strips a Breen's suit and puts it on, yet no one has ever seen one. Which places a lot of weight on the later idea that "no one has ever seen one" (rule of writing, never take anything stated by any character as fact, especially not your heroes) and it assumes Kira had to see a Breen when she stripped them from the suit. (Simple answer? It was too dark to see them and not a priority for her.)
In general though, if Worf says something like "no one has ever seen a Breen," don't assume he's right. Assume that's true as far as he knows and remembers to the extent that he is neither incorrect nor lying and even then to the extent that the writers cared about the line being accurate. And if the writers have inaccuracies and contradictions, don't rush to explain them unless there's a better story in it.
I think it's less a story and more hodge podge when you start saying that the Breen are a bunch of unrelated people in suits. The best thing I can say about that is that it reminds me of how Marvel's Kang got treated (and to a lesser extent Doctor Doom) under the writer Walt Simonson. Simonson's approach was that not only did Kang time travel and engage in paradoxes so much that the timeline was swarming with contradictory versions of him but that it was also common for people, including oddball aliens, to kill a version of him and take the suit and name. This is part of an overall approach Walt Simonson had to diffusing continuity questions not with answers but with confusion.
For example, his take on Doctor Doom was basically such that Doom's robots were so perfect that they could sometimes fool biological scanners, DNA tests, even gods. And that you NEVER knew if ANY appearance was EVER the real Doom. He kinda hinted that the handful of portrayals where Doom had a noble streak were the real ones but his explanation sowed more confusion than answers.
And I think that's the way to go. The Breen story from Typhon Pact has elements of that but is too detail oriented, too specific. I'd rather be confused and intrigued than enlightened and detail saturated.
And in STO terms, I would almost swear they were toying with the idea that Breen are genetically modified Deferi.
There's talk about a group of Deferi who left and never returned. And then the Breen seem to have knowledge of Deferi customs and suspect the Preserver link for reasons that are never addressed.
In effect, the Breen in that novel series are a true 'Confederacy' of races, with there being about 6-7 (I can't remember exactly how many). The suits are worn by all members of society to ensure equal treatment in terms of your species, to hide all distinguishable characteristics. Nobody knows what species another is unless they're a friend/family member.
There's a species that has long snouts, hence the cone-shaped helmets. There's also a species that does need cold temperatures in order to survive. Etc, etc.
It's a nice narrative that makes the Breen look far more interesting (I'd love to play as that kind of Breen).
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
In effect, the Breen in that novel series are a true 'Confederacy' of races, with there being about 6-7 (I can't remember exactly how many). The suits are worn by all members of society to ensure equal treatment in terms of your species, to hide all distinguishable characteristics. Nobody knows what species another is unless they're a friend/family member.
There's a species that has long snouts, hence the cone-shaped helmets. There's also a species that does need cold temperatures in order to survive. Etc, etc.
It's a nice narrative that makes the Breen look far more interesting (I'd love to play as that kind of Breen).
Because Starfleet crews perminantly flying around in a Jem Hadar, Cardassian, Ferengi or Tholian vessel does make sense? :rolleyes: I think not.
The Breen ship will end up for both FED and KDF players. In a perfect world, the Jem Hadar, Cardassian and Breen ships would have been saved for a Cardassian Faction (or at least an off-shoot of the Cardassian Faction; more of a former Dominion Alliance).
Yeah, good point.
Shouldn't complain really, it'll be more likely that I could get one if it were available for all.
1) That Weyoun calls the Breen homeworld "quite pleasant." (Which was a gag line of dialogue anyway, meant to be funny. And we don't know if Breen can function outside the suits on the homeworld or whether Weyoun thinks sub-zero temperatures are "pleasant.")
Unless I'm mistaken, Cardassians perfer a warmer climate anyway, thus from Weyouns perspective, the Breen homeworld might be 'adequate'. We don't know how Vorta cope under temperate conditions. They might prefer the cold for all we know? The same actor does play an Andorian after all.
2) Kira strips a Breen's suit and puts it on, yet no one has ever seen one. Which places a lot of weight on the later idea that "no one has ever seen one" (rule of writing, never take anything stated by any character as fact, especially not your heroes) and it assumes Kira had to see a Breen when she stripped them from the suit. (Simple answer? It was too dark to see them and not a priority for her.)
3) Kira found some Breen Uniforms lying about somewhere and stole them.
4) There is a suit under the suit (and Kira, being in a rush wouldn't have had the time to undress them all the way).
It's likely somebody has seen the Breen; they've been in multiple conflicts, no doubt some dead bodies have been left behind, and no doubt some other species (Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian ect) would have taken a peak.
And in STO terms, I would almost swear they were toying with the idea that Breen are genetically modified Deferi.
There's talk about a group of Deferi who left and never returned. And then the Breen seem to have knowledge of Deferi customs and suspect the Preserver link for reasons that are never addressed.
In effect, the Breen in that novel series are a true 'Confederacy' of races, with there being about 6-7 (I can't remember exactly how many). The suits are worn by all members of society to ensure equal treatment in terms of your species, to hide all distinguishable characteristics. Nobody knows what species another is unless they're a friend/family member.
There's a species that has long snouts, hence the cone-shaped helmets. There's also a species that does need cold temperatures in order to survive. Etc, etc.
Not what I was expecting, but that is a different twist on their... faction. They're more like the Federation (multi-races) than the Dominion are. :P
It wont b the breen. It will b Andorian because the andorian ship is due out some time in the next month or so
The Andorian ship is supposed to come out in January before the three year anniversary. I'm really hoping for a cool Breen ship...carrier even! "Crosses Fingers"
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Not saying anything about that, just saying that we do update old ships regularly, without any intent to sell them. You'll just have to sit tight and wait for specifics on the winter-update to put an end to the speculation.
Kind of like how the Nausicaan ships have siphon pods which are based off their technology but there are no Nausicaan player ships with a hangar lol
I've updated ship hull materials over time include all the following factions/species/races. Some playable, some not. Some are big updates, some are small.
Gorn, Breen, Borg, Nausicaan, Starfleet, Klingon, Generic Ship, Jem'Hadar, Fek'Ihri, Cardassian, Ferengi, Romulan, & Tholian. ... and more to come.
Geometry updates include far too many ships to count, most of them being NPC updates & fixes. Usually when I go in to fix a bug related to something simple, I try to take some extra time and pretty-up the geometry. Sometimes this is for ships we sell, sometimes not.
Latest examples the many of the NPC capitol ships/dreadnoughts you might see in some of your Starbase-related missions, and some of the NPC fighters.
Slowly, over-time, you'll see the old NPC ship materials fade away and be replaced with materials that meet the new standard. Romulan ships were the last ones I updated, a few weeks before the launch of Season 7. You can get a pretty good look at them from the Azure Nebula Rescue mission.
Granted, sometimes when a ship is rebuilt for one purpose, it gets repurposed for something else -- the D'Kora, for example, was something I wanted to rebuild when I created the dilithium mining asteroid map, the current NPC ship didn't cut it for me. In the end, it was decided to create a fully fleshed out version that was player-ship-quality.
In the end, don't always take NPC ship updates as a cue for what ship is coming up next.
Alas, aside from that very specific point, continue your speculation.
ok granted the new Textures are crazy detailed (so detailed in fact that you can not even see the detail with a normal FullHD client, but have to demorecord and really zoom in into the hull of your ship to notice all the detail, in fact most players aren't even aware of the detail there, so thumbs up for that one).
But, i also have a backlog of pet peeves with various Player Ships that could keep you guys busy for a month or two, only fixing Stuff and getting no work done, many of these issues are here since Launch.
And i'm not even talking about errors in the sense that it does not look like on TV, but about actual in-game errors, like wrong placed or missing or flickering windows, polygons that have wrong textures or gaps, engine hardpoints in the wrong spot etc. etc.
Also, please don't take it personal, i know the Dev's don't get to decide what they are allowed to work on (most of the time) but the allmighty Schedule does that, so any complaints i might have are not about any Dev specific work but about the people who refuse to put the very much needed regular polish time on the Schedule.
for example i will point out the Sovereign Class, Logan "fixed" the Retrofit Ships up at some point (before they went to the C-Store), put a lot of effort into it and even communicated in the Forum what fixes WE wanted to see.
But he also created a new problem by that.
All of the ...low poly versions of the ships, that you only see at a distance (LoD?) have NOT been updated, which has some odd results, like the Sovereigns Deflector turning Blue in the distance and Yellow close up or the Galaxy/Defiant Classes completely changing Shape.
The Gorn C-Store Ships even change size when you are far away (not sure if its even the correct model there)
The K'T'inga has glowing engines, but only in the distance... so the high and low distance models got reversed!
The Orion Marauder has so many issues, crazy amount of missing windows, missing textures and some polygons have huge gaps and turn invisible when you look at them from the inside...
...i could go on like that for a few more pages i think ;P
Turns out it will be the Chell Grett after all. Very nice to know that it's a reward for dedication instead of a lockbox checkpot.
I doubt it's going to have fleet ship stats, but I hope it's going to be between fleet and RA ships, kinda like the 1000 day ships.
I think it'll also get a very flexible boff seating with 1-2 universal spots to make it usable for all classes and either a special console or a built-in abilty to make it worthwhile for players who already have fleet ships.
Maybe we'll get the other Breen ships in the future because they all look much better after the model reworking
Turns out it will be the Chell Grett after all. Very nice to know that it's a reward for dedication instead of a lockbox checkpot.
I doubt it's going to have fleet ship stats, but I hope it's going to be between fleet and RA ships, kinda like the 1000 day ships.
I think it'll also get a very flexible boff seating with 1-2 universal spots to make it usable for all classes and either a special console or a built-in abilty to make it worthwhile for players who already have fleet ships.
Maybe we'll get the other Breen ships in the future because they all look much better after the model reworking
We will soon see. Someone's going to fork over the lobi to get this the first day and they'll show us the stats (if the stats aren't revealed in a blog before that). It's not going to be me for sure, but you know someone will do it.
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
We will soon see. Someone's going to fork over the lobi to get this the first day and they'll show us the stats (if the stats aren't revealed in a blog before that). It's not going to be me for sure, but you know someone will do it.
Today's blog stated that the blog with the Breen Warship stats will be posted tomorrow
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I assumed that line by Weyoun was meant to imply that Vorta are more comfortable in arctic climates.
Is there any other kind?
and others too numerous to name...
Amen to that!
The Breen ships would be a good candidate for KDF science captains I'd have thought, considering the Breen love their energy drain technology. It seems fair that something to rival the Vesta class should come along.
I also think it should be unique to the KDF, Breen ships piloted by FED players just won't make sense.
The Breen ship will end up for both FED and KDF players. In a perfect world, the Jem Hadar, Cardassian and Breen ships would have been saved for a Cardassian Faction (or at least an off-shoot of the Cardassian Faction; more of a former Dominion Alliance).
I'm not a fan of their version, really. It works too hard to explain something that has simpler explanations.
It all plays off two things.
1) That Weyoun calls the Breen homeworld "quite pleasant." (Which was a gag line of dialogue anyway, meant to be funny. And we don't know if Breen can function outside the suits on the homeworld or whether Weyoun thinks sub-zero temperatures are "pleasant.")
2) Kira strips a Breen's suit and puts it on, yet no one has ever seen one. Which places a lot of weight on the later idea that "no one has ever seen one" (rule of writing, never take anything stated by any character as fact, especially not your heroes) and it assumes Kira had to see a Breen when she stripped them from the suit. (Simple answer? It was too dark to see them and not a priority for her.)
In general though, if Worf says something like "no one has ever seen a Breen," don't assume he's right. Assume that's true as far as he knows and remembers to the extent that he is neither incorrect nor lying and even then to the extent that the writers cared about the line being accurate. And if the writers have inaccuracies and contradictions, don't rush to explain them unless there's a better story in it.
I think it's less a story and more hodge podge when you start saying that the Breen are a bunch of unrelated people in suits. The best thing I can say about that is that it reminds me of how Marvel's Kang got treated (and to a lesser extent Doctor Doom) under the writer Walt Simonson. Simonson's approach was that not only did Kang time travel and engage in paradoxes so much that the timeline was swarming with contradictory versions of him but that it was also common for people, including oddball aliens, to kill a version of him and take the suit and name. This is part of an overall approach Walt Simonson had to diffusing continuity questions not with answers but with confusion.
For example, his take on Doctor Doom was basically such that Doom's robots were so perfect that they could sometimes fool biological scanners, DNA tests, even gods. And that you NEVER knew if ANY appearance was EVER the real Doom. He kinda hinted that the handful of portrayals where Doom had a noble streak were the real ones but his explanation sowed more confusion than answers.
And I think that's the way to go. The Breen story from Typhon Pact has elements of that but is too detail oriented, too specific. I'd rather be confused and intrigued than enlightened and detail saturated.
And in STO terms, I would almost swear they were toying with the idea that Breen are genetically modified Deferi.
There's talk about a group of Deferi who left and never returned. And then the Breen seem to have knowledge of Deferi customs and suspect the Preserver link for reasons that are never addressed.
SPOILER
In effect, the Breen in that novel series are a true 'Confederacy' of races, with there being about 6-7 (I can't remember exactly how many). The suits are worn by all members of society to ensure equal treatment in terms of your species, to hide all distinguishable characteristics. Nobody knows what species another is unless they're a friend/family member.
There's a species that has long snouts, hence the cone-shaped helmets. There's also a species that does need cold temperatures in order to survive. Etc, etc.
It's a nice narrative that makes the Breen look far more interesting (I'd love to play as that kind of Breen).
What he said!
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
Yeah, good point.
Shouldn't complain really, it'll be more likely that I could get one if it were available for all.
3) Kira found some Breen Uniforms lying about somewhere and stole them.
4) There is a suit under the suit (and Kira, being in a rush wouldn't have had the time to undress them all the way).
It's likely somebody has seen the Breen; they've been in multiple conflicts, no doubt some dead bodies have been left behind, and no doubt some other species (Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian ect) would have taken a peak.
I'd rather them not.
Not what I was expecting, but that is a different twist on their... faction. They're more like the Federation (multi-races) than the Dominion are. :P
Jeffrey Combs is one of my favorite Star Trek recurring actors. ALL of his characters were awesome and unique.
The Andorian ship is supposed to come out in January before the three year anniversary. I'm really hoping for a cool Breen ship...carrier even! "Crosses Fingers"
Kind of like how the Nausicaan ships have siphon pods which are based off their technology but there are no Nausicaan player ships with a hangar lol
ok granted the new Textures are crazy detailed (so detailed in fact that you can not even see the detail with a normal FullHD client, but have to demorecord and really zoom in into the hull of your ship to notice all the detail, in fact most players aren't even aware of the detail there, so thumbs up for that one).
But, i also have a backlog of pet peeves with various Player Ships that could keep you guys busy for a month or two, only fixing Stuff and getting no work done, many of these issues are here since Launch.
And i'm not even talking about errors in the sense that it does not look like on TV, but about actual in-game errors, like wrong placed or missing or flickering windows, polygons that have wrong textures or gaps, engine hardpoints in the wrong spot etc. etc.
Also, please don't take it personal, i know the Dev's don't get to decide what they are allowed to work on (most of the time) but the allmighty Schedule does that, so any complaints i might have are not about any Dev specific work but about the people who refuse to put the very much needed regular polish time on the Schedule.
for example i will point out the Sovereign Class, Logan "fixed" the Retrofit Ships up at some point (before they went to the C-Store), put a lot of effort into it and even communicated in the Forum what fixes WE wanted to see.
But he also created a new problem by that.
All of the ...low poly versions of the ships, that you only see at a distance (LoD?) have NOT been updated, which has some odd results, like the Sovereigns Deflector turning Blue in the distance and Yellow close up or the Galaxy/Defiant Classes completely changing Shape.
The Gorn C-Store Ships even change size when you are far away (not sure if its even the correct model there)
The K'T'inga has glowing engines, but only in the distance... so the high and low distance models got reversed!
The Orion Marauder has so many issues, crazy amount of missing windows, missing textures and some polygons have huge gaps and turn invisible when you look at them from the inside...
...i could go on like that for a few more pages i think ;P
Turns out it will be the Chell Grett after all. Very nice to know that it's a reward for dedication instead of a lockbox checkpot.
I doubt it's going to have fleet ship stats, but I hope it's going to be between fleet and RA ships, kinda like the 1000 day ships.
I think it'll also get a very flexible boff seating with 1-2 universal spots to make it usable for all classes and either a special console or a built-in abilty to make it worthwhile for players who already have fleet ships.
Maybe we'll get the other Breen ships in the future because they all look much better after the model reworking
We will soon see. Someone's going to fork over the lobi to get this the first day and they'll show us the stats (if the stats aren't revealed in a blog before that). It's not going to be me for sure, but you know someone will do it.
Today's blog stated that the blog with the Breen Warship stats will be posted tomorrow
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Yep, so there that is. Cheers indeed.
Though, Bran, I still bet you a jumja stick that someone forks over the lobi on the 6th.