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Not very hard to reproduce either. But I don't really want to post it here though since otherwise every ship in PvP is gonna run this **** soon.
Certain "damaged-reflective surfaces" in a Bug ship already do.
Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Ah, great to hear.
Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
Did you really just encourage exploiting? :eek:
Good to know you're working on it though.
What?
Shouldnt you instead discourage people from using the extra BOFF? Or does the EULA mean nothing anymore?
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
This is STO, so he can't perform a Jedi Mind Trick and tell everyone "You do NOT see an extra BOff slot!"
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
arfff, common dude, what do u want? "Don't use the extra boff or i will permanent ban your account".
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This wouldn't technically be an exploit. I know the line is fuzzy, but this was an error in the code that resulted from an oversight on our part. We can't/won't be policing and penalizing players for making use of this oversight if they choose to. In fact, this particular bug is so easy to reproduce that many players may be making use of it without even knowing they are doing so.
And I'm not really encouraging it. I just know that we don't have the resources or justification to hold players accountable for making use of this bug while it remains live.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
If it affects the entire playerbase, they can't fix it anytime soon, and it is not giving anyone a specific advantage it doesn't matter much.
They may also be using it to secretly mine data on how a new set of starships with one and two extra boff slots would behave.
Unlike say, WoW, where a 3% boost in player power could completely change world rankings for boss kills or for pvp rewards, in STO an extra boff slot is good, but not likely to significantly change content that can (or cannot) be done, it might get a couple of extra groups through no win scenario and help some weaker groups do into the hive onslaught on elite that couldn't otherwise, but if you weren't close to either of those before this isn't going to get you there.
Are you special or something?
:P /10char
If STO has no intention whatsoever to take itself seriously and compete in a crowded marketplace then sure, it's no biggie.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
While you "can't/won't be policing and penalizing players" how can you seriously claim this isn't an exploit?
How would a player not know they're running abilities their ship doesn't support? This isn't some bug that only effects one's target. It effects the number and quality of Boff abilities players have available.
It's bad enough your company constantly screws up code mergers and has had the worst QA I've ever seen, but to claim this isn't an exploit is complete b.s. Seriously, you're putting your professional reputation on the line when you make claims like that. You should have left it at Mgt decided we don't have resources at this time to enforce those exploiting and an fix is in the pipeline. Quite frankly you've cemented your professional reputation to be as poor as the company you work for.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
wtf?! I got an official warning from branflakes for trying to bring this bug to the devs' attention and now you are encouraging people to exploit it. Disgusting.
You realize this bug is ruining pvp and you are sitting there telling people to have fun with it. Well, guess what? IT'S NOT FUN TO GO UP AGAINST PEOPLE USING THIS EXPLOIT! I just don't understand your mindset at all.
@DevolvedOne
Then why did I get a forum warning for trying to bring this bug to the devs' attention? He specifically stated in his warning that posting about exploits was against forum rules when I didn't post how to do it or anything of the sort. I was just trying to get y'all to realize it existed and now you are telling people to enjoy it.
@DevolvedOne
This is the most hyperbole I've ever read in a post. Forever. Because this is the main reason why every fleet in STO is going to go to <insert name of competing game here to be crass>.
:rolleyes:
No excuse my while I break the game because I have an extra use of Beam Overload 1 or Engineering Team 1. Holy moly, it's so game breaking! It's the I WIN button!
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
With a forum name like that? Wow, I'm extremely surprised this would come from you.
Extremely. I mean, it's not like you have an agenda or anything.
Also, you might want to wipe the froth from your mouth, it's a little unsightly.
BTW borticus, this will teach you to post on the forums. One poster's reprimand is a dev's indulgence :P
But it wouldn't be the first time we've had some fuzzy moderation calls on the forums, amirite?
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Yeah, not wanting Devs to be liars about what is or isn't an exploit is such a shifty agenda ...
It has nothing to do w/P2W it has everything to do w/professional conduct and quality of service.
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"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
There are people who won't understand how to properly use a bug that gives you every possible BOff power at once, as unbelievable as that sounds. It's not those players that are the cause for alarm; it's the ones who do know exactly how powerful that is.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Kirk's Protege.
What an absolutely preposterous notion.
At least now we know what voldemort et al. stuck around for so long. (It's still there, last I checked, actually)
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Also, professionals would definitely come in during the US holiday weekend to code a fix and launch it. Please make sure QA also makes the necessary arrangements, since it will need to be QA'd before going to Holodeck.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
My posts have nothing to do with forum moderation. It has to do with Stahl having a history of lies rubbing off on a Dev. This not only tarnishes an already bad reputation for Cryptic, but now the Dev is washed in it too.
Further, do you not see a problem with a company that has a history of the same bugs re-emerging time and time again? Do you not see a problem with a company who's basically saying they're too cheap to enforce their own ToS in terms of griefing via exploits?
Again what does any of this have to do with either P2W (ie my forum handle) or forum moderation?
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
"professional conduct"... "quality of service"... all relative terms. Are we talking about "professional conduct" and "quality of service" of a Secret Service agent, or a garage mechanic?
Actually, don't answer that, it's a strawman argument. So are the claims about enforcing ToS, re-emergingbugs, etc. We're talking about this particular bug, I'm pretty sure, not creating red herrings or putting down soap boxes. Let's try to stay on topic.
But if you think anyone has violated any forum rules send a quick PM to a moderator, perhaps. I don't think devs are above the rules that govern other posters.
Edit: Kinky!
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
We, as in you and I, are discussing how you've haven't addressed the substance of my initial post 1x and keep deflecting. We are discussing how your 1st post that quoted mine attacked my forum handle and my motives.
Let's review:
This bug like many others is re-emerging. It's germane to the topic of this specific exploit.
Using this bug is an exploit, the fact you can use the bug to equip Boff powers you couldn't otherwise speaks for itself.
The fact a Dev has stated they won't punish those who use it and goes on to lie and say it's not an exploit takes it to a whole new level.
The fact that there are rules against exploiting and griefing in the ToS makes the fact the Dev has stated they won't enforce the griefing and exploiting on this matter germane.
How Companys enforce their own rules is a matter of professionalism. How often game breaking bugs happen and re-emerge is a matter of QA/QC.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
If someone is dropping in with a mega juiced vampire bat build or EWP3 cycling Jemship and just stalking the hell out of the pvp queues, then start reporting him and after 20 reports pop up in Q&A something might be done on account of abnormal deuchebaggery.