So maybe escorts that have an extra sci slot like Advanced or Fleet patrol so you can use TB and still have heals would be good, or Bird of Prey with a little extra sci.
Also was looking at the stats and it has paper thin hull but strong shields so even getting that shields out of the way for a few secs would mean death for this so maybe beam target shields and/or other shield strip powers could be useful? Think I might replace BO for
target shields for my DBB and use tractor with shield drain doff.
If you want to proc someone's shields off the best choice is overwhelmingly just equipping phasers.
When I'm in the MVAE I throw TSS(x) into the Ens slot, and every once in a blue moon I'll get a proc off. It's not even close to reliable though. The TB DOff does add a small amount of extra damage.
For taking out shields, in order of strength it goes:
1. Phaser proc
2. Subnuke (has to be timed properly)
3. Overwhelming force
4. Tet Glider
5. Et al.
If you want to proc someone's shields off the best choice is overwhelmingly just equipping phasers.
When I'm in the MVAE I throw TSS(x) into the Ens slot, and every once in a blue moon I'll get a proc off. It's not even close to reliable though. The TB DOff does add a small amount of extra damage.
For taking out shields, in order of strength it goes:
1. Phaser proc
2. Subnuke (has to be timed properly)
3. Overwhelming force
4. Tet Glider
5. Et al.
Nice to know, haven't tried TSS in a year or so. Might stick with the BO then. Also thinking a Sci scort in Fleet advanced escort or Mobius could be best for this job, equip with phasers, tet glider, BO and has the subnuke, and has the extra sci to fit in extra shield drain skills and/or tb on top of that.
Target Subsystem Shield III + Tractor beam + frontal barrage ! Even the green diaper won't save all those vubs (vesta nubs if everyone wonders) from meeeeh !
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Also thinking if Vesta spam in the ques/kerrat gets really out of hand I will resort to my B'rel cheese build. Using AMS, SS, EWP, then DPB3 trico mines all while cloaked should also do the job, I try not to do this to people anymore though as its not very fair, but will start doing it again to encourage people to use variety of ships rather then just Vesta spam everywhere.
So maybe escorts that have an extra sci slot like Advanced or Fleet patrol so you can use TB and still have heals would be good, or Bird of Prey with a little extra sci.
Also was looking at the stats and it has paper thin hull but strong shields so even getting that shields out of the way for a few secs would mean death for this so maybe beam target shields and/or other shield strip powers could be useful? Think I might replace BO for
target shields for my DBB and use tractor with shield drain doff.
You forget the perfect shield ability:
"The three-piece set bonus grants you a Quantum Focused Shield Bubble. A Quantum Focused Shield Bubble is effectively a perfect shield. While active, your ship's hull is invulnerable and will take no damage, including damage caused to yourself from Ramming Speed. Your shields too become hardened - the more Auxiliary power the more resistant they become - up to 100%. However, while active, all weapons are offline."
So essentially they ninja-ed Ablative armour into the Vesta as well.
Also thinking if Vesta spam in the ques/kerrat gets really out of hand I will resort to my B'rel cheese build. Using AMS, SS, EWP, then DPB3 trico mines all while cloaked should also do the job, I try not to do this to people anymore though as its not very fair, but will start doing it again to encourage people to use variety of ships rather then just Vesta spam everywhere.
I'll do the same if the SNB doff cheese goes nuts Fed-side.
I'll do one of Hus' torp builds and harass that team from cloak. :P
Target Subsystem Shield III + Tractor beam + frontal barrage ! Even the green diaper won't save all those vubs (vesta nubs if everyone wonders) from meeeeh !
Has TSSS III worked out good for you lately? haven't used it in awhile and other poster seems to not like it, but he was using lower level versions I think. Still deciding if I should use that or BO instead.
"The three-piece set bonus grants you a Quantum Focused Shield Bubble. A Quantum Focused Shield Bubble is effectively a perfect shield. While active, your ship?s hull is invulnerable and will take no damage, including damage caused to yourself from Ramming Speed. Your shields too become hardened - the more Auxiliary power the more resistant they become - up to 100%. However, while active, all weapons are offline."
So essentially they ninja-ed Ablative armour into the Vesta as well.
The ship has 4x special abilities....
does this help if their shields are already stripped/ knocked offline?
also if they use 3 pc bonus they will have weaker armor and base shields due to wasting console slots so may be easier to take out after that perfect shield is gone. I doubt we will see too many 3pc sets just like hardly anyone uses 3pc on Oddy/Bortasqu
Works awesome for my multi-purpose saber escort :P It's not about the shield energy drain, but rather the 40% chance to disable shield facing.
As I'm not using all-cannon escorts, I prefer finesse instead brute force.
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Subnuc + Tacscort is cool and pretty brutal in a 2 v 1; however, it's not a death sentence. Things like science team, waiting it out, or not blowing all their cooldowns can keep a good pilot alive through it.
If we bring things into a 1v1 scenario, even the mighty bug can be defeated by a solid build with a good pilot behind it. Play to your strengths, and against their weakness; simple as that (admitted the Vesta is shorter than most regarding weaknesses).
Cmd Sci: TBR 3, Viral 1, TSS 2, HE 1
LtC Universal: Emergency power to shields 1, Aux to Bat 1, Eject Warp Plasma 1
Lt Engineering: Emergency power to Aux 1, Aux to Bat 1
Lt Tac: Tac Team 1, Rapid Fire 1 or Torp Spread 2
Ensign Universal: Tractor Beam 1
Console Slots:
2 Engineering: Resistance and/or Borg console
4 Sci: Particle Generator x4
4 Tac: Energy type or Kinetic Damage type of choice
DOFFS:
3x Technicians
2x Viral or 2x Torpedo
Oh wait...you wanted to know how to blow up the Vesta? Oh sorry my mistake. :P
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
well, thanks to everyone who kept up the good fight for the past day while i was at work.
yes yes, the ship is +1 again, we all see it.
but +1 is not +15. which is what it would take for a player to be a 1 person wrecking crew.
this thread is more about sparking conversation about how to work in a team, rather than the fervor of the ship itself.
understanding the checks and balances of any system in the key to maximizing what you want to do in that system. the ships and weapons are just tools at your disposal. and, until i see otherwise with these 2 eyes, piloting is still 75% of PVP in this game.
i've reviewed the layout. and found it wanting. those who want a killshot in this thing will give up a lot. you cannot kill with just 3 DHC in a ship with that turnrate and tac boffs available.. its just not there. you will need more spike on top of that, from a 4th DHC or a torp. (hence teamwork)
those who want to make this into a sci ship will find it much less situational when you want to fire off that nuke scan and sci goody funstuff. its big, and the agility just isnt there like it is in a recon sci or comparable. (hence teamwork)
those who want to make it an egnineer sci healer, well, may be pleasantly supprised, as that is the only layout i see being this ships sweet spot. but, asi oddy may do it better...im not sure. (again, teamwork)
edit: so...its like being a paladin or red mage.....you can do almost everything...but, you are not really that good at 1 thing at all. which, is gonna be great for your average Kirkster.
and no, sorry Tea, you know that setup wouldnt take down this ole Horizon. i will evasive and cloak, or supatank you in muh bug. at the very best it will be a standoff. (that being said, Tea is one of the best ship builders in the game, and everyone reading should consider his advice)
and no, sorry Tea, you know that setup wouldnt take down this ole Horizon. i will evasive and cloak, or supatank you in muh bug. at the very best it will be a standoff. (that being said, Tea is one of the best ship builders in the game, and everyone reading should consider his advice)
have fun kill bad guys you all!
Can't cloaked when your TRactor Spammed. :P Or Perma Warp Peed. and TBR 3 should get the job done to help pummel your hull into oblivion with Tac buffs fueling it.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Can't cloaked when your TRactor Spammed. :P Or Perma Warp Peed. and TBR 3 should get the job done to help pummel your hull into oblivion with Tac buffs fueling it.
attack pattern omega 3 up all the time bro. im free of your tractors and plasma.
i also run hazzards.
and 4 neutroniums or whatever armor suits the situation.
those who want to make this into a sci ship will find it much less situational when you want to fire off that nuke scan and sci goody funstuff. its big, and the agility just isnt there like it is in a recon sci or comparable. (hence teamwork)
But it really is, though... as dumb as it sounds, the Vesta basically is the Fleet Recombolomba despite its massive bulk.
That may be in favor of the RSV though, I mean can you imagine the pivot on this thing? It'd make the Raptor look like kicking a hot dog down a tunnel.
But it really is, though... as dumb as it sounds, the Vesta basically is the Fleet Recombolomba despite its massive bulk.
That may be in favor of the RSV though, I mean can you imagine the pivot on this thing? It'd make the Raptor look like kicking a hot dog down a tunnel.
What's the inertia on the FLRSV? I did a comparison of the Vesta to the regular RSV in another thread... and well - yeah, a better RSV with a hangar and a variety box full of bags of chips.
KDF in a Jem.
MACO shields
Plasmonic
2.5% to proc kinetic that ignores shields
+30 to weapon training
2 piece Borg secondary set Omega
probably other stuff I'm forgetting
...as the tactical in the duo targeting the Vesta.
A bug with proper support doesn't really care what its target is, I don't think that's ever been a matter of dispute.
Was just a case of them being available again (yellow spammage galore) through the 15th - and - the changes with S7.
The guy had asked about the KDF getting MACO while having Plasmonic - and - I was kind of dismissive of it in favor of all the stuff I could see one doing with a Vesta. I hadn't thought about what he was saying in regards to a a Jem until I logged back in to see more yellow spammage.
People thought the Odyssey was unsinkable. I remember the tears from those players crying for their money back because Minimax was one shotting them in kerrat. The Vesta looks squishy as hell besides a decent shield modifier.
I'm going to go ahead and post this here, for those that are still going off about the Vesta without really thinking about it:
Quite frankly, I'm not impressed with this thing. In the end, no one in their right mind is going to actually slot all of the consoles on this ship because, just like the Odyssey, you'll gimp yourself far, far too much by doing that in return for a few abilities (That I can only assume, probably quite accurately, will all be on fairly high cooldowns, considering what they are) that will never make up for what you could slot in their place. The Phaser Lance isn't integral, as on the Dreadnaught, so its automatically bad on its own (When its integral you don't lose anything by using it). The Fermion console likely won't be anything special other than being an AOE heal (that again, will likely be on a high cooldown and likely won't last long). And the MWFA console likely won't be anywhere near as effective as it sounds.
Out of the three consoles, only the Fermion and MWFA would be the only ones to ever be seriously considered, and only because they could possibly be able to be justified to take the place of a better console.
And as for the rest of it, its basically what the Fleet Odyssey should/could be, with the difference that it can slot cannons and is a science semi-carrier. Low weapon power, only 3 weapons fore and aft (meaning its all cannon or you may as well slot beams, meaning low weapon power gets worse), and the best variant for DPS being a poor man's Temporal Destroyer, all results in a very weak, very squishy ship that can TRIBBLE pets and throw Sci abilities around.
Its powers are so all over the place that very few builds will actually make efficient use of it all without forcing it to adhere to something that honestly, a lot of other ships can do far better. Escorts will do FAR better DPS, and Cruisers will tank far better. It might outclass a lot of science ships, but Sci in general is all over the place atm (and for that matter quite weak), so throwing another square in a box of circles and triangles isn't going to change much.
All in all, I think people are severely overblowing this ship because they can't recognize the difference between advertising and actual abilities. It's easy to make a ship seem OP when its accompanied by clear red flags (that I can't blame anyone for catching, like Cannons and the Hangar) and such a tantalizing advertisement that almost makes this ship sound like its one of the NPC Super Ships that are meant to copy the awesomeness of ships out of the shows. IE, the REAL Enterprise rather than the less than stellar original Galaxy or Sovereign that we get to fly.
EDIT: I would also imagine with virtually everyone going off their rockers over this ship that it'll get nerf-bombed anyway, so all in all, not worth the buy no matter how you spin it.
I'm going to go ahead and post this here, for those that are still going off about the Vesta without really thinking about it:
i couldn't disagree more with that assessment. lets take a look at what the vesta actually is.
it has the movement, hull and shield mod +.05 of a recon sci. a ship not regarded as a push over correct? but it also has an ody/vet ship style station setup, i could create exactly the station setup the recon has, or something more like the nebula, or something heavily tactical, wile still being able to have 3 eng powers if i likes. that alone might not make it op, but its certainly a premium product for a premium price.
then you go adding in to major mold breaking extras never before seen on a sci ship, DHC use and a hanger for the most op pet by fir, the runabout.
sci ships are meant to set up a kill, but cant spike to save their lives, they are a component in a team effort. the vesta, not only can it set up the kill, it can do at least 3/4 the damage of an additional escort to the target it has befuddled. an extra source of DHC spike when it is needed will vastly increase the chances of the team getting that kill.
and more runabout holds for everyone, making all of this easier to do with a free extra long and chain able hold.
and the consoles? i forgot what they do, i agree they arent that impotent. they will surly just add to the annoyance of trying to fight one of these things wile they chain hold you befuddle you, nuk and scan you and finally spike you.
if you can get a ship with 13 turn to use DHCs trouble free, especially with the runabout handycap, you need to go back to piloting school and put together a build that doesn't suck so bad.
I have to wonder about the folks saying people haven't thought about the Vesta, when so much thought has been given into all the evil fun somebody could have with them while alone or in groups.
Folks that fly RSVs or Sci are like...oooooohhhhhhhh.
Folks that fly Escorts and have thought about flying Sci are like...oooooohhhhhhh.
Perhaps folks that fly Cruisers are thinking - I don't remember Kirk or Picard flying one, so it must not be that special...
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If you want to proc someone's shields off the best choice is overwhelmingly just equipping phasers.
When I'm in the MVAE I throw TSS(x) into the Ens slot, and every once in a blue moon I'll get a proc off. It's not even close to reliable though. The TB DOff does add a small amount of extra damage.
For taking out shields, in order of strength it goes:
1. Phaser proc
2. Subnuke (has to be timed properly)
3. Overwhelming force
4. Tet Glider
5. Et al.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Nice to know, haven't tried TSS in a year or so. Might stick with the BO then. Also thinking a Sci scort in Fleet advanced escort or Mobius could be best for this job, equip with phasers, tet glider, BO and has the subnuke, and has the extra sci to fit in extra shield drain skills and/or tb on top of that.
He actually does. Eyes closed and everything.
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You forget the perfect shield ability:
"The three-piece set bonus grants you a Quantum Focused Shield Bubble. A Quantum Focused Shield Bubble is effectively a perfect shield. While active, your ship's hull is invulnerable and will take no damage, including damage caused to yourself from Ramming Speed. Your shields too become hardened - the more Auxiliary power the more resistant they become - up to 100%. However, while active, all weapons are offline."
So essentially they ninja-ed Ablative armour into the Vesta as well.
The ship has 4x special abilities....
I'll do the same if the SNB doff cheese goes nuts Fed-side.
I'll do one of Hus' torp builds and harass that team from cloak. :P
Has TSSS III worked out good for you lately? haven't used it in awhile and other poster seems to not like it, but he was using lower level versions I think. Still deciding if I should use that or BO instead.
does this help if their shields are already stripped/ knocked offline?
also if they use 3 pc bonus they will have weaker armor and base shields due to wasting console slots so may be easier to take out after that perfect shield is gone. I doubt we will see too many 3pc sets just like hardly anyone uses 3pc on Oddy/Bortasqu
As I'm not using all-cannon escorts, I prefer finesse instead brute force.
Be a better player, with a stronger build.
Subnuc + Tacscort is cool and pretty brutal in a 2 v 1; however, it's not a death sentence. Things like science team, waiting it out, or not blowing all their cooldowns can keep a good pilot alive through it.
If we bring things into a 1v1 scenario, even the mighty bug can be defeated by a solid build with a good pilot behind it. Play to your strengths, and against their weakness; simple as that (admitted the Vesta is shorter than most regarding weaknesses).
Oh wait...you wanted to know how to blow up the Vesta? Oh sorry my mistake. :P
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
yes yes, the ship is +1 again, we all see it.
but +1 is not +15. which is what it would take for a player to be a 1 person wrecking crew.
this thread is more about sparking conversation about how to work in a team, rather than the fervor of the ship itself.
understanding the checks and balances of any system in the key to maximizing what you want to do in that system. the ships and weapons are just tools at your disposal. and, until i see otherwise with these 2 eyes, piloting is still 75% of PVP in this game.
i've reviewed the layout. and found it wanting. those who want a killshot in this thing will give up a lot. you cannot kill with just 3 DHC in a ship with that turnrate and tac boffs available.. its just not there. you will need more spike on top of that, from a 4th DHC or a torp. (hence teamwork)
those who want to make this into a sci ship will find it much less situational when you want to fire off that nuke scan and sci goody funstuff. its big, and the agility just isnt there like it is in a recon sci or comparable. (hence teamwork)
those who want to make it an egnineer sci healer, well, may be pleasantly supprised, as that is the only layout i see being this ships sweet spot. but, asi oddy may do it better...im not sure. (again, teamwork)
edit: so...its like being a paladin or red mage.....you can do almost everything...but, you are not really that good at 1 thing at all. which, is gonna be great for your average Kirkster.
and no, sorry Tea, you know that setup wouldnt take down this ole Horizon. i will evasive and cloak, or supatank you in muh bug. at the very best it will be a standoff. (that being said, Tea is one of the best ship builders in the game, and everyone reading should consider his advice)
have fun kill bad guys you all!
Can't cloaked when your TRactor Spammed. :P Or Perma Warp Peed. and TBR 3 should get the job done to help pummel your hull into oblivion with Tac buffs fueling it.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
attack pattern omega 3 up all the time bro. im free of your tractors and plasma.
i also run hazzards.
and 4 neutroniums or whatever armor suits the situation.
pew pew tea!
let the piloting games begin!
everything must look like a nail when your piloting a hammer lol
do you even realize how defensive this game is?
just...
how easy it is to be offensive when you need to be?
i know you do.
the game is so defensive the actual hitpoint totals almost don't mater, heals and damage come and go so quickly and constantly
But it really is, though... as dumb as it sounds, the Vesta basically is the Fleet Recombolomba
That may be in favor of the RSV though, I mean can you imagine the pivot on this thing? It'd make the Raptor look like kicking a hot dog down a tunnel.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
What's the inertia on the FLRSV? I did a comparison of the Vesta to the regular RSV in another thread... and well - yeah, a better RSV with a hangar and a variety box full of bags of chips.
KDF in a Jem.
MACO shields
Plasmonic
2.5% to proc kinetic that ignores shields
+30 to weapon training
2 piece Borg secondary set Omega
probably other stuff I'm forgetting
...as the tactical in the duo targeting the Vesta.
Thoughts?
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Was just a case of them being available again (yellow spammage galore) through the 15th - and - the changes with S7.
The guy had asked about the KDF getting MACO while having Plasmonic - and - I was kind of dismissive of it in favor of all the stuff I could see one doing with a Vesta. I hadn't thought about what he was saying in regards to a a Jem until I logged back in to see more yellow spammage.
Oh im so scared of the DHC Dmg x2 hax!!!! lulz
Viral Matrix 1 on global cool down with Viral Doff says No.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
i couldn't disagree more with that assessment. lets take a look at what the vesta actually is.
it has the movement, hull and shield mod +.05 of a recon sci. a ship not regarded as a push over correct? but it also has an ody/vet ship style station setup, i could create exactly the station setup the recon has, or something more like the nebula, or something heavily tactical, wile still being able to have 3 eng powers if i likes. that alone might not make it op, but its certainly a premium product for a premium price.
then you go adding in to major mold breaking extras never before seen on a sci ship, DHC use and a hanger for the most op pet by fir, the runabout.
sci ships are meant to set up a kill, but cant spike to save their lives, they are a component in a team effort. the vesta, not only can it set up the kill, it can do at least 3/4 the damage of an additional escort to the target it has befuddled. an extra source of DHC spike when it is needed will vastly increase the chances of the team getting that kill.
and more runabout holds for everyone, making all of this easier to do with a free extra long and chain able hold.
and the consoles? i forgot what they do, i agree they arent that impotent. they will surly just add to the annoyance of trying to fight one of these things wile they chain hold you befuddle you, nuk and scan you and finally spike you.
if you can get a ship with 13 turn to use DHCs trouble free, especially with the runabout handycap, you need to go back to piloting school and put together a build that doesn't suck so bad.
Folks that fly RSVs or Sci are like...oooooohhhhhhhh.
Folks that fly Escorts and have thought about flying Sci are like...oooooohhhhhhh.
Perhaps folks that fly Cruisers are thinking - I don't remember Kirk or Picard flying one, so it must not be that special...
...I mean, c'mon.
I'd feel dirty flying a Vesta.