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robuille
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For a couple of months I have been reporting cheating to the staff here through the Request GM Help menu. So far, no response from the GM's. Completely ignored. Bots, adds and mods have not only gone unpunished as I've encountered the same players and player accounts in pvp over and over again, but the use of these cheat programs seems to be spreading. I have encountered more and more players capable of sustaining over 300k in damage without having to heal. Some of them deliberately flaunting the cheat by letting opponents in a 3v1 (in one instance I was involved in) continuously fire on them for minutes before bothering to engage them. And no, there were no members of their team supporting them with heals.
As a player who owns all Mk XII purple tac consoles on a tac officer in a Jem'Hadar Attack ship and is well educated on skill point distribution, it is apparent that the (unknown entity) in the combat log that is taking damage from players as well as dispatching them, is cheating. (my attempt to assure readers that I am not presenting this issue with knowlege gaps in this game's mechanics).
So the main cheat I've been seeing is the "invincibility." The "God Hammer" cheat is one I am unsure of as of yet. Mainly because on occasion I have critted for close to 100k. And the rest I would feel foolish to mention because I don't have much more than suspicion to go on. But has no one else noticed or submitted a ticket for similar issues happening to them?
My biggest issue is that staff seem to be taking a sideline. The abuse gets reported and the only reply is silence? Is Cryptic/Perfect World looking into this issue as a potential threat to the integrity of our game..., is anyone working in the quality assurance department? Has anyone else sent abuse reports that went unanswered? Have any of you gotten a response if you reported this as an issue? Can we get a response that this is actually an issue? Or even an explanation as to how the conclusion we've come to might be mistaken?
It's hard to believe that the cheating isn't prevalent when the players cheating are running adds that scrub the combat logs of their participation in these pvp matches. But I am willing to accept that I have overlooked something if someone could show me what I've missed.
As a player who owns all Mk XII purple tac consoles on a tac officer in a Jem'Hadar Attack ship and is well educated on skill point distribution, it is apparent that the (unknown entity) in the combat log that is taking damage from players as well as dispatching them, is cheating. (my attempt to assure readers that I am not presenting this issue with knowlege gaps in this game's mechanics).
So the main cheat I've been seeing is the "invincibility." The "God Hammer" cheat is one I am unsure of as of yet. Mainly because on occasion I have critted for close to 100k. And the rest I would feel foolish to mention because I don't have much more than suspicion to go on. But has no one else noticed or submitted a ticket for similar issues happening to them?
My biggest issue is that staff seem to be taking a sideline. The abuse gets reported and the only reply is silence? Is Cryptic/Perfect World looking into this issue as a potential threat to the integrity of our game..., is anyone working in the quality assurance department? Has anyone else sent abuse reports that went unanswered? Have any of you gotten a response if you reported this as an issue? Can we get a response that this is actually an issue? Or even an explanation as to how the conclusion we've come to might be mistaken?
It's hard to believe that the cheating isn't prevalent when the players cheating are running adds that scrub the combat logs of their participation in these pvp matches. But I am willing to accept that I have overlooked something if someone could show me what I've missed.
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Not easy I know, but any information you can offer will help devs spot things
I've PvPed since the game launched and I've never heard of some of the things that you're talking about.
The ability to damage another playce depends on more than just your consoles, in fact it depends very heavily on the setup that you're running from Boffs to Weapons and even doffs to an extent.
If you're willing to share what you're running (Boff setups, Weapons, and the power levels you're running) then we can help you to figure out why you're not performing up to what you believe you should be doing.
**Note, doing well in STFs does not mean you do well in pvp, you might not have been thinking that but you'd be surprised the number of people that believe that doing well in STFs means they're awesome at everything
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
Are you saying you've critted for 100k or someone else has?
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
You should probably name some more specific examples to help your cause.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 52098 (99235) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Remus.
I'm guessing that he's been crit for 100k, and that's still possible to do if you get everything in a row for a tricobalt hit or a perfect storm Javelin crit. Otherwise you'd have to go back to the old Beam Overload 3 to get wrecked for 150k or more.......
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
A high resist shield build w/high regen built in will absorb a lot of damage if they're not debuffed and it's sustainable depending on the target and it's build.
You can be debuffed and have your defenses lowered.
The KDF Vet ship and Fleet Torkaht can really put out a lot of dps compared to what's out there which has been imo a needed boost to the KDF. Though the Lotus has lolz GDF etc potentional AOE damage.
Lotto ships can really absorb and or do damage depending on the ship or build.
Feds are going to have their own 5 tac console escorts (to go w/the Jem) if they aren't here yet.
I mainly PuG PvP arena/C&H and can tell you it's night and day comparing players who know how to build and use their build vs those who don't. Usually, it's those who don't that are in the greater #s at any given time.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
its incredibly easy to seem invincible, and its incredibly easy to spike someone to death in a second. tricobalt mines and BO3 1 shot people all the time.
if you cant measure up, ask for help.
My expected that in posting this I'd be getting a lot of assumptions from readers that I am inexperienced and whining.
This is not the case.
I do not wish to share my build with the whole forum either. So instead of giving a blow by blow how to make my ship..., here are some stats I can list.
In combat space with 125/95 power to weapons, my three fleet dual heavy cannons do 2062 damage, 1374 dps unbuffed. With a tac team, attack pattern alpha + omega 3, go down fighting, tac fleet, and two Hamlet Conn Officers each dual heavy cannon does 4501 damage, 3000.1. Each weapon I possess is a fleet weapon with the [acc] proc.
I have acc and elusive for passives. full points in attack patterns, projectile weapons, several in energy spec and projectile spec, full in targeting sys and maneuvers, more than enough in weap perform and full in electroplasma sys..., oh yeah and weapons training is full. I think we can agree that these are the core essentials in damage output. Indeed nothing lacking there. my torps do 5657 unbuffed and over 12k buffed.
that said I put out in raw data pre-contact with enemy vessel somewhere over 20k/sec avg within the first 5 seconds of opening volley. the next 10 seconds after sees about 15k/sec.
And I'm not factoring in crit.
Also factor in my use of DEM and a fully sensor spec'd Fire on My Mark.
That should be enough information to validate credibility.
Now for said targets that I've reported.
First off, forget the "invincibility cheat" for a moment and lets address the scrubbed names of alleged offenders from the combat log. I've fought a group of players and recorded the combat logs from the beginning of the match. A simple thing you can do by using the command: /CombatLog 1. Now here's an example of what the players register in the log as...
[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 266 (533) Phaser Damage to **** with Phaser Array.
[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 309 (617) Phaser Damage to **** with Phaser Array.
[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 823 (1647) Tetryon Damage to **** with Dual Heavy Tetryon Cannons - Scatter Volley III.
[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 910 (1821) Tetryon Damage to **** with Dual Heavy Tetryon Cannons - Scatter Volley III.
[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 700 (1400) Tetryon Damage to **** with Dual Heavy Tetryon Cannons - Scatter Volley III.
The * are blocking out the name of the person being attacked by the hacker so as to follow forum rules. Mind you, I have the name and @ handle of the person otherwise known as "unknown entity" and watched him attack **** and though all of the players on our team show in the combat logs when we TRIBBLE sneeze or cough, this particular player always registers as "an unknown entity".
Now I have to ask..., how is that? Every honest player registers for any action with their character name. Yet this team had multiple players whose identity is masked. The same players that are flying defiants that are impervious to hull damage.
I obviously can't and won't post the whole combat log, but it doesn't read anywhere close to what a normal combat log looks like with honest players.
This has been an essay so I'm done for now. It may be easy or even fun for this community to look down your noses and assume the poster is a lackwit. I'm writing because something is terribly broken. And broken enough that players are disguising themselves in combat logs to evade being caught breaking the user agreements. I truly feel it is ruining the integrity of the game and I was hoping for someone to look at this post and take it seriously instead of trolling the poster.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Fyi, there's a toon out there w/the name of unknown entity iirc. I'm assuming it's not his toon's name in this case. I do see the odd use of unknown entity in logs not sure I've seen it replace a player's name b4 tbh. Was the player buffed w/an unusual ability at the time?
Also, I prefer to use GDF after I'm at low hull.
I didn't notice a cannon boff buff listed on your part. Anyway there are ships that can eat a full alpha from more than 1 escort if built to do so.
Unless you're using a Vet ship in Tac mode, you're better off trying Acc+2 or higher weapons in PvP.
FoMM is cleared by TT, did you make sure it wasn't up?
Edit: Also, was there name something a language filter may not let through if you have it running?
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
...from the sound of it though, that doesn't sound like what's happening in your case. Yet, could it be something that somebody is exploiting in their favor as such?
Ok a couple things first off:
-I understand you're unwillingness to share your build to avoid *******s, however there are some people who are genuinely willing and trying to help people in these forums, so if you feel that you need help then please feel free to PM me on the forums or in the game (my main is listed in my signature) and we can talk.
-Secondly (into the explanations now), Fleet advanced weapons are extremely poor for PvP due to their modifiers being [Dmg]x3 and Crtwhatever. In PvP Accuracy is king because you need to overcome the extreme defense scores that some ships have (Accuracy negates defense and defense determines the likelihood for your to be hit by another player). Chances are extremely good that you're missing your target a LOT.
-Thirdly, DEM is currently broken so that it does not interface properly with Rapid Fire
-Forth, you're running 3 forward DHCs, so you either have a torp or a DBB for the 4th slot to serve as spike. You need to include your aft weapons as well in your damage calculations (yes having 3 turrets aft makes one hell of a difference in the long run). If you have no aft turrets or very few aft turrets then that means that the only real damage that you're doing comes from the DHCs and that's just not enough.
-Fifth, player shield resists play a very significant role in slowing down any incoming damage. While many players differ on their power settings, the average person would run shields in the range of 50 power, and if you spec it properly then they have a real score in the mid-70s giving them natural shield resists in the region of 22-27% damage resists depending on the particulars.
Add in a Single Emergency Power to Shields 1 and that's plus another 18% (plus power additions bringing real total to around 50% resists right there), then tac on a Transfer Shield Strength 1(or 2) and that's another ~10% depending on Aux power and you're up to ~60% resists, then add in on top of that that a specific shield might have +resists to your damage type and that's another 20% damage resists right there.
Top all that off with a defensive Tac Team for shield redistribution and players can seem invincible, but the reality is that they are topped out on their resists and all you can do is either wait it out and survive them, or hope you got a SNB on your team to get rid of their stuff.
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
I'm sorry if the combat log was confusing but the forums are clear that we are not allowed to name other characters in our posts. The "****" section of the log was where I censored the name of the person being attacked..., as is only right to follow the rules of the forum.
The main focus of that combat log was "UNIDENTIFIED ENTITY", the person who was using some sort of hack to evade leaving his name on evidence of hacking.
All I want is a response from a game official to explain either that it is a problem, or there's some misunderstanding and the issue has something to do with an glitch/exploit/I don't know, whatever..., but I've been asking about this in the GM section for a while and now I want people to know that whatever it is that is happening..., it's happening and maybe this post will get people to look out for it. And maybe they'll find a legitimate explanation..., or maybe it truly is a trend in hacking the game that needs to be put down.
If the GM's won't respond to just one person..., maybe a few more people investigating and reporting it will get a response.
Ps. In all sincerity, stop offering me help with my build..., I know how to measure how each skill point in each skill box effects each stat in the game..., I have 30 characters just so I could test out each and every combination of each and every stat/gear/equipment..., this isn't bragging, it's a compulsion of mine to find, test and analyze everything I can get my hands on. If you're condescending..., I don't care..., your breath is wasted. If you're trying to help..., thank you..., but please tell me something that isn't easily measured in game..., I've already measured it.
In all seriousness...no one is probably going to believe you.
you have been going on and on about gear and stuff. i play with mkX blue accx2 weapons and mkX maco shields with 3 pc borg. in a defiant.
and i'm telling you. sometimes, a person can be outfitted with the best gear and still perform poorly. with just that listed above, i tank 3 players easy. and spike kill nightly on players that i recognize, and ones that i don't.
i have never seen any evidence of anyone hacking the game like what you are describing.
what i have seen are gigantic gaps in piloting skill and timing.
have fun kill bad guys
To the post at hand, the unknown entity thing is peculiar but I'm not sure it's an indication of a hack. Many of us in PvP land after 900 day can build a near invincible ship, no hax required.
This itself is not enuff to accuse people of cheating. It would be helpful to get a clarification by cryptic what those 'unknown entities' really are - i do not say that there are no cheater/exploiters around, but one cannot base this alone on the 'unknown entity' in the combat log. I wouldn't be surprised if people having combat logs with you being the 'unknown entity'.
It might also be that there are people who 'mask their id' in that way because they cheat, sadly this is very hard to prove. I recommend being very careful with accusing people of cheating or exploiting without solid proof.
Regards
I used to just laugh off these narcissistic scumbags, but lately I'm totally in the "check logs" camp now. Sad really.
So you assume they're cheating? That's just tanking, even a lowly Bird of Prey can tank that much damage if built right. Heck, while I'll accept it's a douchy thing to do, I've ran into a bunch of people and tanked them without firing a shot. The only time you begin to sweat is when someone SNBs you.
Shield resists, shield heals and the like can be insane in PvP (especially with the BFI doff).
So yes, a defiant CAN tank as much damage as a tactical cube, if not more. And yes it's nuts, but it's not cheating. Escorts haven't been glass cannons since season 1.2.
Also, was this Kerrat? If it was the calibre of builds there is generally quite low, so while three of you may have been firing at him, chances are they were just tickling him.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
my handle is at the name I'm posting this under. Anyone who doubts my piloting skill and who would rather doubt my piloting skills than take my concern seriously..., note my handle. I'm here. I won't say there aren't people out there that aren't better than me..., my Father taught me and I've always believed that there is always at least one person out there that's better than you. Whoever that may be. And i really don't care to turn this into a bravado contest because I don't have any insecurities that make me hate myself when I lose. I now play another game where win or lose, at least I know for certain that the game itself is policed and free from cheats. And because of this problem that I've brought to you all, I've been playing that game more than this. But anyone who wants to find out whether I'm a prideful noob that has problems flying or a skilled pilot with a legitimate concern. Come find me. Challenge me and truly see if I'm the noob you'd prefer me to be.
Take this issue seriously and just look into it. Or..., if you're into testing me first. Come find me. I'll be here. I'll accept your challenge. And you know what? If I have something to learn at the end of the match, I'll gladly accept the lesson.
I don't know what it takes to convince you all that I've been tracking a real and serious problem. But all I want is for enough people to look into it and try to get the Cryptic/Perect World team to at least tell us what's wrong at worst, or to fix the issue.
Again, I have the utmost respect for each of you. And I understand healthy skepticism. I promise to accept any challenge issued to soothe any doubts. But please, all I'm asking is that you take me seriouslt and investigate. If you want to challenge me first...., then cool. Win or lose, I think you all will find me at the very least a decent pilot and very knowledgeable about the game.
And oh yeah, I'm a reasonable person. You won't get any abuse from me if you run a better ship. I appreciate good players and people who are better than me. But I doubt that any of you will find me lacking. And again, I mean that with the utmost respect.
At full shield a Maco should be near 1k regen every 6 seconds per facing. Then take into account a (near) 75% resist, eh we will go with 65% to be fair. That in and of itself is (1,000*4)/.35 = 11,428 EHP just from natural regeneration, or negate nearly 2k DPS.
Add in the procs from borg, doffs, TSS, etc, etc, and you can see where I am going with this.
I have a toon named "an unknown entity" and I swear this was not my doing :P
This has been literally years of the boy who cried wolfhax. It simply gets thrown around too often to be taken seriously. It's not your fault, but no show of skill on your part is going to make people believe you. You could fly the pants off of the best pilots and you would still be up against the perception created by all of the people who have screamed hax without justification.
You're going to need raw logs with names deleted, screen shots of what buffs were up at the time, and possibly ACT data. All of the same incident.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I was just checking to see if you had posted this yet or not.
I once made the same mistake (about 2 years ago) when checking my logs until someone pointed out that Praxis' toon was my mystery damage.
I'd say the mystery is solved now.
And that is all...
The rest of that log is normal dmg... it came from a player. There is nothing odd there.
If you got crited for 100k+ then post the log.... most likely it will say Unknown Entity (if you where lagging bad) deals 120000(80000) critical tricoblt explosion... or some such similer thing....
I have seen people claim people are cheating, or are using a cheat program ect ect ect... and seeing as most of the time they are talking about me and I know I am not cheating... I will assume that no such thing exists. Frankly if it does I have yet to see it.
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I kid but seriously I think you miss understand the dev.... perhaps they are finally fix the lag issue that provides the logs with Unknown Entitities.