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Vesta - Anything Less Than OP Will Be a Financial Dud
levi3
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Assuming they had to pay big bucks to get it if they don't make the stats on the Vesta OP then it will not cover their costs
And Crytipc - giving it crappy stats but an amazing console - or 2 won't slide - most people will see right through.
Bare min it should have 3 univeral BO slots
really I think it should be the first to break 10 with 11 - 4/4/3 - console slots
a 12+ turn rate would be good to make use of those cannons up front
42k Hull
1.4 shield mod as a super sci ship
Its very probable that Cryptic will charge 3000 zen plus for the ship to cover the extra costs so it's even more important that the ship screams - "next level up - have to buy!"
And Crytipc - giving it crappy stats but an amazing console - or 2 won't slide - most people will see right through.
Bare min it should have 3 univeral BO slots
really I think it should be the first to break 10 with 11 - 4/4/3 - console slots
a 12+ turn rate would be good to make use of those cannons up front
42k Hull
1.4 shield mod as a super sci ship
Its very probable that Cryptic will charge 3000 zen plus for the ship to cover the extra costs so it's even more important that the ship screams - "next level up - have to buy!"
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Yeah right when the Regent was announced we got the same nonsense from the levi3:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=346721
Assuming facts not in evidence.
Ambiguous ownership and both the designer and Cryptic needing to get permission from multiple sources independently do not inherently create excessive cost, only delays. There's never been discussion of licensing costs, only lack of response on permissions. Delays will inflate the budget of a standalone release, but with an incremental microtransaction model like STO uses for its monetized content, the effect isn't as significant, unless the delays tie up enough manpower that other incremental releases are also delayed.
And that's where the theory dies. STO has certainly not failed to maintain a microtransaction release schedule. A majority of the ships on the C-store, and for that matter the game, landed there AFTER the first talk of the Vesta, all the lockboxes, several seasons, the foundry...
though i would rather they worked on content that will immerse me in trek lore and story than constant zen-store candy . but i guess who does not =p
Well, as of 2409 the ship design would be almost 30 years old meaning we already have loads of newer and more advanced ships than the Vesta ingame.;)
dont you mean every time the feds get a new ship we get this
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
i kinda ment in moving on in a game sense as in adding consoles slots and maybe weapon slots ,
but i still think that money would be better spent creating trek stories =p
First thing sales of the Regent were almost non-existant - I said it would bomb and it did.
I admitted in that thread later that I was deliberately going over the top - primarily to bug KDF players. But as most KDF forum goers who have tracked me since then I have been 100% supportive of the KDF and have made posts all across the forums asking them to fix things for the KDF. I asked Dan Stahl recently to put big notices in when a FED player can open up KDF - I have a thread in Game play bugs right now asking them to fix the First city re-direct - in fact since many KDF forum goers have given up asking for change I am one of the new ones on their case - so I don't think that thread you mentioned carries the same weight.
Not exactly this, we usually get someone demanding that this or that ship MUST be an escort because...I don't know.
I particularly remember the idea to make the Nebula an escort because of its small size and excessive maneuverability.:P
There was lots of extra fees/consultations - of course lawyers -etc with the designer. This is a non-cannon ship designed by a new person being paid to put it into books - owning the design rights to the ship.
Are you suggesting he would let Cryptic use it in game for free? That would be pretty stupid of him.
Could I please see your numbers?
Since you do the exact same thing now you did then...what has changed?
NOTHING.
Since you have inside information on Cryptic sales, can you tell me how many players are in game? how many Fleet are there in game? how many keys players got in the game? and exactly how many Regent's were sold?
I don't have numbers - but i play the game 6 hrs a day every day - all over the map - and i don't see the regent more than a couple times in the whole day.
I see the Oddy everywhere, I see the Armitage a lot, I see other FED ships a lot but almost no regents - I would call that a bomb. I don't think i am the only player that does not see the Regent very often.
And Talking about the 2 ships this one is way different - first i said that i was going over the top on the Regent which was just A REFIT of the Sov
The VESTA is the first completely new Starfleet C-Store starship to the Game since the Oddy - off course it needs to 1 up the bar.
If Regent sales were nonexistent, then Armitage sales were mediocre at best.
So do you right click, and look at everyone's bio when you pass every Sovereign you see in space to see if it's a Refit...or do you just assume everyone who got the ship has it on default and would not change it's look??
It's going to be a sci ship, there has not been a SCI ship in the C store since the Bellerophon, and god knows how many cruisers we have already.
I don't PvE a lot any more I just fly around the stars doing doff missions - yesterday during Infected bonus day i did 20 infecteds arcoss 6 toons and saw the Regent 1 time - so maybe it was their day off.
Bottom line is this - if Cryptic want to match sales of the oddy - which as their last big investment in a ship they will HAVE to do what they did with the Oddy which was 1 up every other ship in the c-store
So by this same logic if they want the VESTA to be as successful or better than the Oddy they will have to move the bar up 1 notch - everyone will have to get the Vesta as most people felt they had to get the Oddy.
That's the way every company does things in America with the next generation of product.
I actually did that quite often in the month after the release given my post about it just to see if I was right or not. But I have not bothered in over a month.
I see several Sovy refits in Elite STFs, but they usually use the regular Sovy skin.
I saw altogehter 5 Heavy Escort Carriers in STFs yesterday, not counting my own (which again uses the standard Akira skin)
So, honest question:
What percentage of Regents compared to the overall number of ships (in Sector Space, Sol System etc.) do you need to see to not call a ship a "bomb"?
Why?
Because you now use the Oddy as an arbitrary landmark?
I presume you left the Atrox carrier which was released after the Odyssey out of your equation because...?
If that's the case, what about in a few months when another new ship appears?
Will we then need a thread where that ship since it was the first new ship since the Vesta needs to be equipped with 11, 12 or 13 consoles?
I think you need to throttle down a bit and take a look at the ships that hit the C-Store in the past.
Ships like the Dreadnought didn't sell because they were more powerful than others (in fact the original Dreadnought was more of a tier 4.5 than a tier 5 ship) but because people wanted to fly that ship.
Same goes for ships like the Vesta.
It's not about moar gunz or moar skillz.
It's about the ship.
Please keep than in mind when you open up sich threads because you seem to completely overlook this for some reason.
so you spent a month right clicking on everyone's assault cruiser, in every zone in every part of sector space, from DS9 to ESD, started every STF and Fleet mark event click on their ships to see if they were refits, for 6 hours while making Dil for your insane star base, and also took into account those players that got the ship for the torpedo and put them on their Odysseys almost being everywhere at one time with the power of the Q.
well I've been playing this game wrong then you can become Q
I said the first new Starfleet starship - the Atrox is not a Starfleet produced Starship - anyone seeing that ship would say its an alien ship and not a starship produced by starfleet - so yes it does not count.
Well as you put it I am apt to do insane things - like my NOW Tier 3 solo starbase! So yes I clicked on a lot of ships.
But no I did not take into account people just buying a ship just for the console and not using it.
Okay, fair enough.
R.I.P
When you said "NOTHING" has changed - were you refering to my stance on the KDF? Maybe you missed my ask crptic question to DStahl:
No ship should ever be built intentionally OP. If the ship is undesired (new part refitted Sovvy - I mean Regent) then it may/will bomb, but if a ship is relatively/highly desired, it will be bought despite the statistics.
To wit: Tier 1 TOS Connie.
Onto the next part, the financials: Typically, there is a flat licensing fee then a percentage of profit paid as royalties. I don't think Cryptic / PWE, or any company for that matter, would pay a licensing fee so high that said fee would eat up all anticipated profits. If sales are expected to be low, then the usual offer is "low license, high royalties" - get the license out and pray it's effective enough to generate major high royalties, or, for major sellers, the goal is "high license, low royalties" basically the "we paid for it up front and make a killing off the sales later" plan... What makes a successful manager / company is knowing (taking this case) whether the Vesta is desired enough to make "high license, low royalties" the plan, or is the Vesta a major gamble that going "low license high royalty" might be the way to keep the lion's share of the limited income pool from the Vesta.
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Roach don't be sarcastic you know this only applies to the KDF!
Nope, I meant you still make threads like this, specifically asking for OP stuff.
Not only is it ugly as ****, but it also looks clumsy.