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ertihan
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Look, I know there have been a lot of complaints about the Subnuke doffs lately. I'll be perfectly honest, I actually have no problem with them, and with TRH and Critz using them. They're legitimately part of the game, so I have no issue with their use.
But yesterday, a certain fleet (you know who you are) started spamming Plasma mines and torpedoes, not because the weapon type is actually any GOOD, but because they knew full well that certain computers would lag when the lightning from the plasma fire flares on your screen.
Look, if plasma did, say, what tricobalts did, and thus were actually good and thus people used them, then yeah, I wouldn't have any complaints. Even if they still lagged me out, because then I'd be like, "well, but they are legitimately good weapons, I guess I should get a better graphics card or something".
But Plasma SUCKS, and the ONLY reason you'd use it is if you damn well KNOW that it would lag some people out. Seriously, guys? You're that afraid of us that you would have to lag us out to win?
You do remember you did actually beat us the first time, only it wasn't a full wipe on our part because at least all five of us could actually fight, and not rubber-band, don't you?
Like I said, I actually have no problem whatsoever getting wiped by a full 3SNB doff per person 5-man premade. That's part of the game, I'd just chalk it up to, we're not up to snuff yet, and get more practice.
I don't generally get this upset, but c'mon, you're damn good PvPers, you DON'T NEED to resort to lagging people out to win. That's a new low, even for you. *sigh* OK, that's enough QQing for today. I just hope no other fleet's deciding to do this, because it's seriously obnoxious. And really, does it even count as a victory if you're deliberately lagging them so you're only actually fighting 5v3?
But yesterday, a certain fleet (you know who you are) started spamming Plasma mines and torpedoes, not because the weapon type is actually any GOOD, but because they knew full well that certain computers would lag when the lightning from the plasma fire flares on your screen.
Look, if plasma did, say, what tricobalts did, and thus were actually good and thus people used them, then yeah, I wouldn't have any complaints. Even if they still lagged me out, because then I'd be like, "well, but they are legitimately good weapons, I guess I should get a better graphics card or something".
But Plasma SUCKS, and the ONLY reason you'd use it is if you damn well KNOW that it would lag some people out. Seriously, guys? You're that afraid of us that you would have to lag us out to win?
You do remember you did actually beat us the first time, only it wasn't a full wipe on our part because at least all five of us could actually fight, and not rubber-band, don't you?
Like I said, I actually have no problem whatsoever getting wiped by a full 3SNB doff per person 5-man premade. That's part of the game, I'd just chalk it up to, we're not up to snuff yet, and get more practice.
I don't generally get this upset, but c'mon, you're damn good PvPers, you DON'T NEED to resort to lagging people out to win. That's a new low, even for you. *sigh* OK, that's enough QQing for today. I just hope no other fleet's deciding to do this, because it's seriously obnoxious. And really, does it even count as a victory if you're deliberately lagging them so you're only actually fighting 5v3?
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1. Fleet mate discovers plasma mines and torps lags him out, tells this to a bunch of people, including members of said fleet.
2. We meet their premade in queues. They beat us, but it was 8-15.
3. We meet them a second time. THIS time they're ALL carrying plasma, and we're lagging like hell. They're effectively fighting us 5v3 and they wipe us 0-15.
Like they say, a little too convenient to be coincidence, don't you think?
EDIT: look, there was some anger and talk in my fleet basically amounting to, "Ok, you want lag, let's just bring 4 carriers and a nebula, all carry nothing but plasma and tachyon detection grid and do some REAL lagging, see how they like it". I talked them out of that because I didn't want PvP to start going in that direction. SNB cheese is fine, but if every PvP match is a lag-fest, that's just lame beyond lame.
Yes I run plasma torps on my sci ships... NO they do not lag people out. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I have never lagged due to plasma torps. When you guys said something in zone... I asked everyone on the TS (the team that was on plus a few extras) no one at all seem to feel they ever lagged due to them. Frankly this reminds me of when people used to complain fireworks lagged them out. lol
If you are indeed getting lag from plasma spreads perhaps you need to turn down some settings.
Honestly in the match you guys had 2 carriers... pets everywhere. (btw if you didn't notice my plasma spreads where eating those little bast***s for lunch) I also remember running through invisi theta pools more then once. I mean no one runs with multi carrier teams unless they are looking to bug it out and get people who can't see it right ?
Frankly if you are not familier with plasma torps... Get familier. They are the best torpedo in game by far. No I am not kidding. If you didn't notice I think I out damaged you escorts with them on a sci ship didn't I.
No testing at all plasma is the superior torp choice for a heal sci torp boat. Bar none. Sure there are people that are on about transphasics. They are another good option sure. However I am still a fan of Plasma. They do higher base damage and tend to take out the tankier pets easier. They also force teams to cross heal more with hazards... it is the best torp to use for that reason alone. When a team screws up and blows multiple hazards on one member. We can quick switch and I can stack up the plasma burn. It won't kill alone. However when you have a focus target that is down to 10% and is getting 2 extends. That 7 stack of plasma fires IS going to kill him.
Best team torp by far.
I have never had an issue like I say... however I would suggest perhaps you look at how many lights the engine is calculating for you... in your video settings. Perhaps like most people you should turn that down when your pvping at least.
I'm a fan of the later, and I've tried both extensively. I get higher damage numbers at the end of each match and I do more burst damage through shields. For me, that's a win/win. That being said, different strokes...
Get a better PC, or turn off smooth particles, might help
Not using Transparency antialiasing might also increase your FPS in these matters
i was playin this person the other day and i was lagging out the hole time.. its well known this guy need bugs to win any match..
Now I have seen them disappear for the same reason I've seen Theta and Warp Plasma Effects disappear. But not lag.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Do you know what caused lag that match? You guys brought 2 carriers. Then like 3 of the 5 were using theta. There was some regular warp plasma too. My PC is top end and I couldn't even see the clouds of theta/warp poo.
A lot of us use plasma torps/mines on healboats or sci boats because they are great weapons. If you actually did testing and not just whine on the forums/zone chat it's possible to find that out. Plasma weapons have never lagged anyone out. Theta/EWP + pets DO lag people out.
Nixus
half resolution until the end of the match.
lol
plasma torps causing lag....... you just got pwned kid, happens to me all the time.
have fun kill bad guys
wouldnt happen if you flew with me more often buddy
"they're all bad guys"
quote the fallout...
"i play at least once a month"
the actual quote reads "I play at least once a month, whether I want to or not"
thats it, me and you, we are fighting.
i should only have to argue semantics with my horrible princess of a wife, or the tard at work who doesnt understand wtf the word "from" actually means.
Maybe you're thinking of warp plasma? Because nine times out of ten warp plasma makes my poor computer pack its bags and trek north for the winter.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Mystery solved. Sorry OP, remove the spoke from your own eye and all that.
Carriers are basically the game's biggest mechanical liability at this point. Put one or more carriers on Solar Wind and it makes me want to drop dead.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
how do you know I'm not one or the other? or both?
1. gross
2. i bet you could come up with a way to delicately describe the definition of the word "from" that could be tactfully delivered to someone of lesser mental capacity that would not only make that person 100% certain that from now going forward in time the he/she never forgets what the actual meaning of the word is.
3. i bet you could do so in such a manner that makes your co workers looking on from 12 feet away turn and about lose it.
4. yeah. im gonna get fired for that **** one day. people are ****ing dumb.
what were we talking about?
I believe you were arguing semantics with me...
husanack's love of plasma goes as far as sleeping with a stuffed plasma torp toy
If massive use of plasma animation causes lag for one side... wouldn't it cause just as much lag for the other side?
(Or is your fleet a collection of people who specialize in running antiquated hardware?)
The Mikey Brigade?
b) Plasma weapons (at least kinetic) can be quite deadly when set up right (and no I am not talking about the lag), but as someone said they're are better weapon choices since that type of build is not very effcient.
Plasma torpedos are the most efficient weapon type in the game... Zero weapon power required.
Procs stack... And cause dmg well after you have switched targets... Spreads spread that dot around to all secondary targets including pets.
As in any game the DOT weapons/skills are always the most efficient.
Frankly for a full torp sci ship there are no better options then full plasma.
On your first point... I sure as heck am not going to change my builds cause people insist on playing games on laptops with the settings turned up.
We had a team... with one torpedo sci ship (me) running plasma. No one else was running plasma. Frankly if his system was lagging it had more to do with the 2 carriers they had on there team... and the 2 or 3 copies of theta and warp plasma they where dumping all over the place.