Okay, Lets Just Come Out and Say It..........

adon333

Who here thinks the Borg should be ten times more powerful then they are and their numbers reduced about 10,000 cubes less? The aye's and nay's will have it.

thecosmic1

After watching Janeway blow her way through Borg ships, not really. Anything Janeway can do 35 years ago I should be able to do in spades.

Of course I'm really just not into Giant Monster encounters in MMOs, and that's what a Wolf 359 Borg Cube would be: X million hit points and 40 people all trying to pew-pew it to death. I find that sort of thing extremely boring - even though it is the most common end-game event in MMOs.

Of course I'd rather see the Borg far less often in the game. I think there are other big bads which can be added to the game who are far more entertaining. The Borg were played-out by First Contact, IMO.

reginamala78

Heh. I remember the first time I went into Ker'rat at level 10 in my brand new Connie Retrofit and seeing all those cubes and thinking "I mustn't run away!" I'm a TNGer who couldn't stand what I saw of Voyager, so my knowledge of the Borg was the juggernaught of Wolf 359. Took a while before I realized they were meant to be popped solo, and not with a small fleet. Was disappointed by that, actually.

bloctoad

thecosmic1 wrote: »

After watching Janeway blow her way through Borg ships, not really. Anything Janeway can do 35 years ago I should be able to do in spades.

Of course I'm really just not into Giant Monster encounters in MMOs, and that's what a Wolf 359 Borg Cube would be: X million hit points and 40 people all trying to pew-pew it to death. I find that sort of thing extremely boring - even though it is the most common end-game event in MMOs.

Of course I'd rather see the Borg far less often in the game. I think there are other big bads which can be added to the game who are far more entertaining. The Borg were played-out by First Contact, IMO.

Borg are like zombies. They've both been done to death.

reginamala78 wrote: »

Heh. I remember the first time I went into Ker'rat at level 10 in my brand new Connie Retrofit and seeing all those cubes and thinking "I mustn't run away!" I'm a TNGer who couldn't stand what I saw of Voyager, so my knowledge of the Borg was the juggernaught of Wolf 359. Took a while before I realized they were meant to be popped solo, and not with a small fleet. Was disappointed by that, actually.

Voyager was a travesty.

trek21

bloctoad wrote: »

Voyager was a travesty.

Voyager was inconsistent. It had some genuinely good stories, the safe Federation standbys, embarrassing stories... and infamously the worst episode in the entire franschise.

But despite all that, that doesn't make it a travesty. Just inconsistent like I said

nalo

thecosmic1 wrote: »

and that's what a Wolf 359 Borg Cube would be: X million hit points and 40 people all trying to pew-pew it to death. .

and on that note I have to add That Cubes should be way bigger the Enterprise-D looked almost tiny when she first encountered the borg.Yet in game a Galaxy has a decent scale to a cube.I have always told myself these are smaller cubes than those seen in the series so ya throwing some biga** cubes out there would be a welcome addition imo

bloctoad

trek21 wrote: »

Voyager was inconsistent. It had some genuinely good stories, the safe Federation standbys, embarrassing stories... and infamously the worst episode in the entire franschise.

But despite all that, that doesn't make it a travesty. Just inconsistent like I said

Okay I'll give you that one. Captain Quantum was the travesty. He made...William Shattner...look like...a good actor.

adon333

I liked Voyager but, in the end they did have quite a few awful things done in that series... it was more the actors synergy that made the show for me than anything else.

As far as the borg go... I think they should def. be scaled up in size, regardless what you guys say Borg cubes were NEVER that small. AND they should also be at least a little bit harder.. I mean cmon... random 3rd world aliens in the Azela <w/e> expanse are tougher than the borg.

I just wish the dread, and awe I felt whenever i saw them in the show or movies was still there thats all....
not "oh theres borg..." Seriously, I can pop a borg cube in Kerrat in 4 seconds flat in My bug, thats kinda lame imo.

As to the whole "future" argument... what? Do you guys really think that the most progressive and adaptive species in the universe hasnt changed with the times? At least a little bit? <scoffs>

bloctoad

adon333 wrote: »

I liked Voyager but, in the end they did have quite a few awful eyes... it was more the actors synergy that made the show for me than anything else.

As far as the borg go... I think they should def. be scaled up in size, regardless what you guys say Borg cubes were NEVER that small. AND they should also be at least a little bit harder.. I mean cmon... random 3rd world aliens in the Azela <w/e> expanse are tougher than the borg.

I just wish the dread, and awe I felt whenever i saw them in the show or movies was still there thats all....

The dread evaporated when enemy signal contacts stopped chasing down players in sector space and the ability to transwarp directly to a mission system was introduced.

coldicephoenix

trek21 wrote: »

Voyager was inconsistent. It had some genuinely good stories, the safe Federation standbys, embarrassing stories... and infamously the worst episode in the entire franschise.

Sorry mate, gotta disagree. The award for worst episode definitely goes for the Enterprise series finale.

reginamala78

coldicephoenix wrote: »

Sorry mate, gotta disagree. The award for worst episode definitely goes for the Enterprise series finale.

Nah, the Ent finale had Shran. That alone places it way above Threshhold

coldicephoenix

But Shrans coolness was thwarted by the appearance of Mr Fat-cant-fit-in-my-uniform-anymore-Riker :P hehehe

adon333

I disagree with both of you... the worst episode ever award goes to blob monster that killed Tasha Yar episode.

mattimeo97

adon333 wrote: »

I disagree with both of you... the worst episode ever award goes to blob monster that killed Tasha Yar episode.

Some of us had managed to erect a wall and purge the memory of the horribly conceived tar monster.

Thanks, buddy. Thanks.

coldicephoenix

What is this stoooopid munster you speak of... I do not remember any such thing.. and what was Guinan going on all about in Yesterdays enterprise about Tasha's "meaningless death". Was she off her meds that day? :P

coldicephoenix

wow, the three of us have totally derailed the thread

Lets get back to it shall we...

In voyager didn't the ship "own" the Borg only because of those new transphasics? The other episode they seemed more like they were just annoying the Borg more than anything. (Dark frontier for eg.)

Also wondering has anyone read the new Destiny novels.. The Borg there are truly terrifying there and very pissed off at the federation because of what Adm. Kathy did to them in End Game.

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coldicephoenix

Um.. for the feds to survive...

stofsk

Sorry guys, the worst episode in Trek history ever goes to TNG 'Code of Honour', which is, in the words of Johnathan Frakes, a 'racist piece of ****'.

I don't like Voyager but it never showed ANYTHING as offensive as that episode. Sure they had a multitude of dumb episodes, bad writing, and actors who just phoned it in (I think Robert Beltran was particularly vocal about what he thought of the show he worked on), but ******n 'Code of Honour' is one of those things that you just look at and go ...how the hell did this get made.

On topic, I agree that the borg seem a little too easy.

fiberteksyfir

reginamala78 wrote: »

Nah, the Ent finale had Shran. That alone places it way above Threshhold

As awesome as Shran was (my fav. char in ENT by far), that finale was just an epic cop-out after what was otherwise a REALLY good season with some great episodes, some of the best in the series.

daan2006

bloctoad wrote: »

Okay I'll give you that one. Captain Quantum was the travesty. He made...William Shattner...look like...a good actor.

hate on William Shattner all you want for with out him you may not have this game to play there may have not even been a ST ip to talk about for the real frist episodes did not do as well

and yes i agree with the OP

robeasom

bloctoad wrote: »

Borg are like zombies. They've both been done to death.



Voyager was a travesty.

Technically Borg were designed to be the zombies of TNG as they do resemble the shambling mindless zombies from horror films. It was I think later in the Borg lore they were thought to be a hive mind and then the queen was introduced.

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robeasom

I agree 5 people not matter how well trained should be able to destroy a borg hive. and 5 ships should not be able to take out borg cubes the borgs should be reconsidered to be made tougher to kill maybe give them more advanced weaponry especially for elite STF's and Kerrat

tebsu

thecosmic1 wrote: »

After watching Janeway blow her way through Borg ships, not really. Anything Janeway can do 35 years ago I should be able to do in spades.

Of course I'm really just not into Giant Monster encounters in MMOs, and that's what a Wolf 359 Borg Cube would be: X million hit points and 40 people all trying to pew-pew it to death. I find that sort of thing extremely boring - even though it is the most common end-game event in MMOs.

Of course I'd rather see the Borg far less often in the game. I think there are other big bads which can be added to the game who are far more entertaining. The Borg were played-out by First Contact, IMO.

1. so the borg slept for 35 years?
2. there are none as big as the borg (except 8472 which have been assimilated too as we could see in some borg missions)
3. there are not more borg than any other race in this game. you probably just play the same borg missions (stfs) over and over again. more stfs with other races would correct this. there are actually more missions with almost every race than with the borg.

thecosmic1

tebsu wrote: »

1. so the borg slept for 35 years?
2. there are none as big as the borg (except 8472 which have been assimilated too as we could see in some borg missions)
3. there are not more borg than any other race in this game. you probably just play the same borg missions (stfs) over and over again. more stfs with other races would correct this. there are actually more missions with almost every race than with the borg.

1: No, the Borg didn't sleep for 35 years, but Janeway brought back future-tech, which meant that all tech advancements were jumped decades ahead - and have kept developing and advancing since 2378. Within the STO timeline Borg activity stops by 2383 and no one sees a Borg again until 2409. The Borg haven't had time to assimilate all our tech advances yet.

2: You don't need to be the most populous threat to be the worst. The Sheliak were shown to be a potential big treat, and we only ever see them in 1 episode. Even the creepy little insect/symbiots taking over Starfleet in Season 1 of TNG were a huge threat. Heck, even Holo-Moriarty could be a huge threat now that photonics live "real" lives.

3: I seldom do STFS any more, unless someone in my Fleet needs help. But you start with Borg in the Tutorial and it just keeps escalating to end-game - where you eventually encounter Borg almost exclusively.

And finally, everyone knows the worst Trek episode is Spock's Brain!

tlamstrike

robeasom wrote: »

Technically Borg were designed to be the zombies of TNG as they do resemble the shambling mindless zombies from horror films. It was I think later in the Borg lore they were thought to be a hive mind and then the queen was introduced.

While the Queen was introduced later the Borg were intended to be a hive mind from the start, in fact the aliens from Conspiracy were meant to be the Borg (before they were called Borg), but the cost of the SFX required for the bug creatures was prohibitively high so they were changed to people in cyborg suits.

adon333 wrote: »

I disagree with both of you... the worst episode ever award goes to blob monster that killed Tasha Yar episode.

I have three words for you: The Outrageous Okona

That was a poorly written piece of fan fiction that somehow became an episode.

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teleon22

Ever since my first in game encounter with the Borg, have I wanted them Buffed up a lot! A cube should take at least five starships to combat.

With that in mind, I?m all for reducing the number of Borg NPC ships and increasing the Borg Cube difficulty by giving them some useful abilities. Abilities such as Rotate Shield Frequency, BFAW, Torpedo Spread, Borg Tractor Beam and Borg Tractor Beam repulse. Finally, the cake would be if they spammed Tactical Team.

The Borg Spheres are fine as is in my own opinion.

I just feel that the Borg should be a real threatening NPC. As it is now, i'm more afraid of level 54 romulan warbirds in a small pack all shooint plasma torps at me... :rolleyes:

thecosmic1

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

Actually I don't think so. Remember when the Borg Queen was infected with the neurolytic pathogen she said:

"I may have assimilated your pathogen but I also assimilated your arming technology"

At that point the information assimilated by the Borg from the admiral's shuttle should have been spread through the entire collective effectively giving the borg a 35 year boost and actually putting them ahead of the Federation in that time period.

The question would be did that information spread to the entire collective or was it lost with the destruction of the Unicomplex?

I'm assuming, with the loss of their Queen, the Borg are losing the battle by 2383; which is why they withdraw from the Quadrant. We were technologically equal, if not superior, to them at that point - they could not assimilate fast enough to offset their losses. They needed the 26 years to refortify and rebuild their forces.

I'm sure their tech has advanced in the last 26 years, but I'm sure the Federation's has too. The Borg return in 2409. They might have returned superior to us, or they might have returned as they left: roughly equal. It would also seem the Borg's strategy has changed as well. They went from believing conquering Earth would destroy the Quadrant to attacking and assimilating worlds along the path to Earth. They are essentially building and fortifying rather then going for the kill-shot. That, too, is not the actions of a technologically superior species.

Based on all the above my own opinion is that the Borg just can't assimilate our tech as quickly as they did in the past. And since the game's still set in the first few months of the invasion there's not been enough game time to see if that will change, IMO.

bruccy

borg are boring now , they got overdone in voyager and they are way over done in this game , they are not as epic or as scarey as when they first apppeared in TNG which is sad ,