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onlineangel
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Shocked @ what I just saw
klink with 100% armor, kept knocking it down to 99% but less than a sec back to 100%
5 MKXII beams broadside on an escort, with no shields, disabled and stuck in warp plasma with 180 Quantum hitting his side too, with EPS3 and EPtW3 running on the beams.
This for maybe 25-30 secs... couldn't get his armor off 99%
BS!!!
klink with 100% armor, kept knocking it down to 99% but less than a sec back to 100%
5 MKXII beams broadside on an escort, with no shields, disabled and stuck in warp plasma with 180 Quantum hitting his side too, with EPS3 and EPtW3 running on the beams.
This for maybe 25-30 secs... couldn't get his armor off 99%
BS!!!
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That's not even the more harder scenarios an escort can get caught in, and you're surprised it survived? Seems to be you didn't do the research
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And welcome to STO's insane spike healing.
Seriously though. That's just how PvP goes.
You have never come across armour tanked ships before? I used to fly like that all the time.
Your using beams on an escort ?? I think that pretty much sums it up
nothing in his post suggests that he uses an escort. Fact that he uses EPtW3 is more of an indicator for a cruiser.
but anybody that thinks escorts are glass cannons in this game is completely mistaken. Only the 2 tac team 1 have more defensive capability than 2 EPtS 1.
That's why I trust the Dev Team is taking notes. Until the game is at the level where average players can do good with even the worst of builds, STO's PvPers are just going to be a handful.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
It's not like there aren't a million guides in the PvP forum that highlight different builds for different roles.
New Player Escort thread by Husanak:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=255864
Good page on the pros cons of beams on escorts and good keybind mojo too:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=5619351&postcount=43
More very good insight into building an Escort:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=483571
Awesome Cruiser thread by Mavairo:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379591
With a table of contents here:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=5619351&postcount=43
Mav's Cruiser thread redux along with other relevant info by dontdrunkimshoot:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=427091
Another great thread on piloting, configuring, situational awareness on Carriers by Kilawpilath:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=269318
Hilbert's fundamentals:
http://denkbassin.de/sto/
Mai Kai's science power recommendations and analysis:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=344241
Jam's Healing Primer - The Space Healing Compendium:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UbH_Vdqowb8rYAGEQPBMad_4HF_mm90TYNssyuyzv7U/edit
It's all there, you just gotta look around. There's no excuse to avoid PvP for lack of a good build.
Learning is the part of the process and an average player gotta learn. I do PvP in Kerat, and it is not a wise idea for an average player to go alone. He will have nothing to gain but a lot to rant.
And yep, I was busted a few times before I got my build right.
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This ^^
In all online games I have played you need to learn how to PvP in the game, learn the equipment, learn the tricks.
Most people I see have the Kirk complex and that is what PvE is for.
nope you stopped PVPing, because you were unable to improve, or take advice from people who know better.
To find a build that actually works, isn't even work you need to do...it is already ot there.
And to expect that the game has to change so you can be better in PVP is one of the most insane things ever stated on this forum. And that means something!
i kind of like the space pvp in sto, because it is the only game i ever played that actually allows draws and long battles, if players are at about the same level of skill, and both use an intelligent build.
yeah, people with equal, or near to equal skill usually have fights longer than 15 min or a draw because both went to bed. Even with escorts.
Last time i died within 5 sec was when i had to answer the phone, and had to turn down the volume at the same time, and frankly if i hadn't been in an escort myself, i wouldn't have even died.
I was in my Brel retrofit. You know the one with enhanced battlecloak? So I was harassing a cruiser who was in the mddle of fight with someone else. In technical terms, I wasn't internded to kill on my own but just to have him distracted so that he won't be able to concentrate.
After sometime I got a sci on my tail so we went for 1 vs 1 battle. Now if it was some who was new then he would have went into "oh! brel retrofits with battlecloacks are so op" and "nerf it" yada yada yada mode. Instead, he starts to sensor scan me and a few times I was at 40% of hull due to his sci+weapon attacks. This battle went on till the round was over.
so learn and talk before you are going to rant. There are many people here who are ready to help you.
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
No lag spike, no me being newbie, no him being skillful.
1 point, 5 of us pounding him with no shields.... still couldn't knock his armor past 99% and guess what, it was flickign back and forth btween 99 and 100 for a very long time.
Makes me laugh... big community full of experienced gamers...
Yet no one believes cheats exsist...lol
Well I got this guy on fraps good and proper (him and his fleet) and he's been reported the correct way.
Funny tho, looking who is reply that's from the same fleet <GG> :P
<Sigh>
Yep, impossible to cheat in any computer game, so must be my lack of skills
<sigh>
No, I never said I was fighting a carrier. (but I did take a recluse out 5 times during the same few PvPs... Guess I'm noob)
<Sigh>
Tac flying an escort with better tank capabilities than a cruiser :P yeah ok
<Sigh>
I never said I was flying an escort.
Oh and by the way, I'm a PvPer, I have character builds just for PvP, im a 700+ veteran.
I run a fleet of over 300 people, I have nearly all the ship unlocks+the little gadgets and I was carrying alternative weapons and tac console...
Maybe you guys need to do some research yourselves... instead of just telling ppl to learn to play the game
That is all!
Well I guess u must be a pro player with all them 700 days and 300 fleet members ,, you should try and get them in the ques ,, oh what fleet is that buddy??
Perhaps if you could give us more info what u are flying ,loadout captain type ,, that sort of thing and also post up ur skills ,, that way you would prob get better feedback ,,,,
Oh and beam boat escort maybe I would try that just for a giggle 1 day
to get a kill with an escort you need spike damage. Beams don't give you that. FAW is a junk skill unless you use it for spam clearing. It makes your end of match #'s look good, but your damage is spread out so much it's insignificant to any actual ship kills your team got. In other words, your team scored a kill in spite of you, not with your help. use BO with your beams if you want to actually help your team, & not just inflate scoreboard #'s.
First, you should describe the scenario better. What ships attacked the suspected cheater, what ship the suspected cheater had. If it was a karfi, that has the phase shift generator that might do what you say. Even more, if you frapsed the match, put it on YouTube and post the link. We definitely want to see if that's a cheat or not. Seriously.
Second, I yet have to see somebody that really deals damage to somebody else that has no shields and his hull won't take damage. Unless that somebody has tons of heals from his team. Not to say I don't believe you, but it's just hard to believe. Really, post that frapsed movie for us.
Third, I've been playing this game since the release, and guess what? Still have my butt kicked every now and then. Being a veteran doesn't make me (or you, or anybody else) better, trying to understand the mechanics and continuous improvement does.
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The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
<Sigh>
If you ARE a PVPer, then you should know better, don't be a hipocrite. Everyone has good/bad days.
If your a 700+ day vet, then again you should know better.
Does being a fleet leader of however many people suddenly make you better then somebody else?
Buying out the C Store can certainly help, but you can't buy experience.
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You say you were using 5 Beam Weapons and the 180 degree Torpedo. What class of ship WERE you flying? Was it an under weaponed Escort, a Science ship, a Carrier, or an under weaponed Cruiser?
You claim to be using or under the influence of EPS and Emergency power to weapons 3, I take it you are an Engineer?
First, some information...
Emergency Power to Weapons 3 is a horrible skill now adays. The damage buff doesn't last nearly long enough. And you almost never need to buff your weapon power with Emergency power to Weapons 3, when you can use other powers to do it better. Such as Aux to Battery while running Technician Doffs.
If your looking to do damage, as a 700 day veteran, surely you know that Tactical captians deal WAY more damage in space? And that even a Science Officer can out damage an Engineer, right?
Also, the information you did give us doesn't tell us anything about the problem you had other then you are raging because you couldn't kill some one on the KDF side who was using an Escort. I mean there are 5 Escorts playable on the KDF Side? And then there's the BoPs?
If your looking for answers, try giving enough information to get it. If your just looking to rage because "Gasp something is over powered and needs a nerf!" please find another location to do it. Because with out it being an undisclosed bug, it could be alot of things the player was doing to resist your damage. A few things off the top of my head:
Personal healing via Hazard Emitters, Aux to Sif, Engineering Team, Borg 2 Peice Set bonus.
Higher resist numbers from Polarized Hull, Attack Pattern omega, Attack Pattern Delta, Hazard emitters, Aux to Sif including what ever consoles he was running, and if he was on a team with an Engineer, Engineering Fleet II.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
What buffs did he have up you didn't say... post the fraps vid or your full of it....
Most likely Mr. Bop was 3 armour units... was rolling polaraized hull and Hazards... Possibly had DOFFS that where giving him even more resists... was likely using his brace for impact at the proper time.... very possibly had evasive up that was giving him a crazy high defense, perhaps even had doffs that where keeping his evasive up 75% of the time. (This isn't a cheat but I don't think the Conn doffs work as intended at the moment) .....
Anyway as others have stated... more detail... perhaps a video post if you really took one... likely no cheating going on at all.... The brel is the best speed tank in the game really. (I know we wine its squishy cause it is) but if you don't kill there defense, they are not going down unless the pilot makes a massive error. My Brel that I never decloak in... hasn't had a PvP death in over 40 or so matches. lol
Edit... Just realized you never said it was a bop... eh what ever don't think your all that serious anyway.
Then whats the issue? You've done all that you can do to report cheating as you think you saw it.
Everybody all ready knows the PvP mechanics are borked, so why the drama?
R.I.P
Beams draw more power than cannons. "on paper", beams draw 10 and dhc 12. But the power management is different between beams and cannons. Also rapid fire doesn't drop the power as fire at will does. The "come back" to full power is better for dhc than beams. Especially after season 5, the cannon power draw "seems" to be less.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...