Great, so unless someone helps me out big time, my chance of getting a Recluse are going up in smoke.
Help... by giving you our bound lobi crystals? It sucks you won't beable to save enough up for what you want. Happened to me with the last set of Lobi store items.
hopefully we'll be able to buy some of the tholian ships later in the store.. as a new player with limited budget for buying master keys, i didn't expect to have a chance to get it via the Lobi store, but i'd love to get the Tholian fighter at some point anyway. even if it means shelling out a few more bucks in the C-store at some future date.
(i love the TOS Tholian ship, and the Enterprise redo of it. the Tholian fighter is close enough that it would be awesome to fly one around.)
at least my lockbox's i've already picked up will remain.. and when i do get a chance to unlock them, i'll still be able use the contents for something.
"Tiny little dots far, far away. Our eyes drawn to the twinkle of a hundred billion galaxies. Giving life to illusion, illusion to life. Something upon which to hang our hopes."
- Tobias LeConte - Dream Weaver - seaQuest DSV
If there are going to be any changes, we'll communicate them
Cheers,
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Please make sure you do. When the Ferngi boxes went there was no hint the Lobi store was going to be cleared out as well (just a forum post by Borticus hidden away somewhere).
okay, ive seen alot about this time ship, and i came to that conclusion right away too once i saw Dan's answer to a lockbox question during th Raptr Q&A, but think about this, if S7 is supposed to be about Sela and wat MIGHT have happened to her, and it is due out in a couple of months, there is another ship that is linked to her regarding time, can u say Enterprise-C. I would put money that we r going to see Ambassador class very soon. think about it. my logic makes sense
*Me*Why don't you just step away from the weapons console. You and I both know that you couldn't hit that cube, even if it was right in front of us. *Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us. *Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
okay, ive seen alot about this time ship, and i came to that conclusion right away too once i saw Dan's answer to a lockbox question during th Raptr Q&A, but think about this, if S7 is supposed to be about Sela and wat MIGHT have happened to her, and it is due out in a couple of months, there is another ship that is linked to her regarding time, can u say Enterprise-C. I would put money that we r going to see Ambassador class very soon. think about it. my logic makes sense
We all know the Vesta is around the corner and the Ambassador and Andorian Cruisers are in the works. So another three Federation ships and no sign of KDF.
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Sorry to be a downer on boxes, but what the hell to PW take us for? Do the math.
You need to open around 200 boxes to get 800 Lobi crystals, averaging 4 crystals per drop
1125 Zen opens 10 boxes which is $10 = 40 Lobi crystals (approx)
100 boxes = $100 = 400 Lobi crystals
200 boxes = $200 = 800 Lobi crystals
Whose ripping off who here? It's the worst idea ever. How to milk players with a smile on your face. I wouldn't mind if there was something worthwhile in them but there isn't. After opening more of these damn boxes than i should have, i ended up with nothing, apart from around 200 Lobi crystals, some officer packs and 5 mirror universe ships which aren't worth squat.
If you went to a store and bought something for a $100, you expect to receive some sort of item in return, not a lot of empty promises and bs items. Remember PW, it's called money that some of us give you, pays your wages. It would be nice if you treated the players with some respect and actually put something of value in those boxes, not a just a lot of hot air.
Personally i'm glad they are stopping this ridiculous drop box idea as it's clear it's simply a way to milk players of money. Whoever came up with the idea should be shot :mad:
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The Khasi of Kalabar: They will die the death of a thousand cuts! Princess Jelhi: Oh! But that's horrible! The Khasi of Kalabar: Not at all my little desert flower, the British are used to cuts!
Sorry to be a downer on boxes, but what the hell to PW take us for? Do the math.
You need to open around 200 boxes to get 800 Lobi crystals, averaging 4 crystals per drop
1125 Zen opens 10 boxes which is $10 = 40 Lobi crystals (approx)
100 boxes = $100 = 400 Lobi crystals
200 boxes = $200 = 800 Lobi crystals
Whose ripping off who here? It's the worst idea ever. How to milk players with a smile on your face. I wouldn't mind if there was something worthwhile in them but there isn't. After opening more of these damn boxes than i should have, i ended up with nothing, apart from around 200 Lobi crystals, some officer packs and 5 mirror universe ships which aren't worth squat.
If you went to a store and bought something for a $100, you expect to receive some sort of item in return, not a lot of empty promises and bs items. Remember PW, it's called money that some of us give you, pays your wages. It would be nice if you treated the players with some respect and actually put something of value in those boxes, not a just a lot of hot air.
Personally i'm glad they are stopping this ridiculous drop box idea as it's clear it's simply a way to milk players of money. Whoever came up with the idea should be shot :mad:
Nothing new here. It's all been hashed out before. The $200 spent per ship acquired in game average is right in line with the 'random drop' metric of the lock box ships. They just skewed the Lobi price to match.
As for milking players for money: How do you think this game gets paid for, now? I hate the way lockboxes are being implemented, don't get me wrong. But somehow I don't think that PWE is sending storm troopers around to force lockbox sales at gunpoint. Therefore the adage that a fool and his money are soon parted applies.
Actually agree with you on this. Nobody is forcing anyone to part with money, that is the users choice at the end of the day. What i find disturbing is the $ price for a ship that we are expected to pay, compared to what is on offer in the C store, where $20 gets you a decent ship, so how the hell is $200 justified for a single in game item?
Founder of the 3rd Foot & Mouth Federation Fleet. Join today!
The Khasi of Kalabar: They will die the death of a thousand cuts! Princess Jelhi: Oh! But that's horrible! The Khasi of Kalabar: Not at all my little desert flower, the British are used to cuts!
Actually agree with you on this. Nobody is forcing anyone to part with money, that is the users choice at the end of the day. What i find disturbing is the $ price for a ship that we are expected to pay, compared to what is on offer in the C store, where $20 gets you a decent ship, so how the hell is $200 justified for a single in game item?
Sadly, the people buying it provide their own justification. I've dabbled in the boxes myself, a few million EC for a key here and there. Never won anything more than vendor trash. I'll buy stuff direct from the C/Z-store all day long 'cause I know what I'm getting, but I certainly don't get what's going through the head of someone who can drop $50+ on lock box keys, with no guarantee of getting anything useful to them.
Sorry to be a downer on boxes, but what the hell to PW take us for? Do the math.
You need to open around 200 boxes to get 800 Lobi crystals, averaging 4 crystals per drop
1125 Zen opens 10 boxes which is $10 = 40 Lobi crystals (approx)
100 boxes = $100 = 400 Lobi crystals
200 boxes = $200 = 800 Lobi crystals
Whose ripping off who here? It's the worst idea ever. How to milk players with a smile on your face. I wouldn't mind if there was something worthwhile in them but there isn't. After opening more of these damn boxes than i should have, i ended up with nothing, apart from around 200 Lobi crystals, some officer packs and 5 mirror universe ships which aren't worth squat.
If you went to a store and bought something for a $100, you expect to receive some sort of item in return, not a lot of empty promises and bs items. Remember PW, it's called money that some of us give you, pays your wages. It would be nice if you treated the players with some respect and actually put something of value in those boxes, not a just a lot of hot air.
Personally i'm glad they are stopping this ridiculous drop box idea as it's clear it's simply a way to milk players of money. Whoever came up with the idea should be shot :mad:
Sadly, the people buying it provide their own justification. I've dabbled in the boxes myself, a few million EC for a key here and there. Never won anything more than vendor trash. I'll buy stuff direct from the C/Z-store all day long 'cause I know what I'm getting, but I certainly don't get what's going through the head of someone who can drop $50+ on lock box keys, with no guarantee of getting anything useful to them.
Ever been to Las Vegas? Or Reno? Two cities built on the gambler's drive to "take a chance to win big". Thus some get the ship the very first box they open, a hell of a lot more might get it after a significant cost, and some never at all. Whole economies have been built on it. PWE is not the first, and won't be the last ....
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
"Dan and Cryptic have spoken out the sides of their mouths so much I expect beads, whiskey and Polio blankets for the KDF any day now." - Roach
I don't get the point of adding future ships, their technology isn't that much better than ours, its pointless.
Take the mirror universe episode of Enterprise, the Constitution class kicked the TRIBBLE of the current ships in exsistence at that time, well the future ships here should do the same. But they don't and they can't, so what the hell is the point...
Its like giving a caveman a cannon to go hunting with, he wont know how to work it and will only use it to hang his clothes to dry.
Cloaking generators break down at first sign of language.
Hooray. That means I can complete my personal accolade. "Never Opened a Tholian Lock Box". Will go nicely with my other accolades "Never Opened a Cardassian Lock Box" and "Never Opened a Ferengi Lock Box", not forgetting "Never Opened TRIBBLE Lock Box. ":D
I'm really looking forward to the next Lock Box. :rolleyes:
Ever been to Las Vegas? Or Reno? Two cities built on the gambler's drive to "take a chance to win big". Thus some get the ship the very first box they open, a hell of a lot more might get it after a significant cost, and some never at all. Whole economies have been built on it. PWE is not the first, and won't be the last ....
Which is why gambling laws should be imposed for online games that state the odds of winning any other required information that the laws specify.
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
Ever been to Las Vegas? Or Reno? Two cities built on the gambler's drive to "take a chance to win big". Thus some get the ship the very first box they open, a hell of a lot more might get it after a significant cost, and some never at all. Whole economies have been built on it. PWE is not the first, and won't be the last ....
The only thing I can add to that, though is at least there's a promise of something tangible. I play scratchers now and then, I've fed the slots in Vegas, and I do go down and put money into the poker tournament every few months. I've obviously lost more than I've ever won, since that's what they odds are. But I, personally, am cool using some disposable income to have fun and maybe win some money back.
Even if I 'win' at the lockbox... I've really won nothing. A virtual product, that may or may not exist tomorrow when I try to log in to a game that may or may not exist tomorrow.
I think the fact that people gamble sometimes hundreds of dollars for a virtual product is where my logic breaks down. It's obviously the same gambling drive, but in this case, I just don't get it.
Hooray. That means I can complete my personal accolade. "Never Opened a Tholian Lock Box". Will go nicely with my other accolades "Never Opened a Cardassian Lock Box" and "Never Opened a Ferengi Lock Box", not forgetting "Never Opened TRIBBLE Lock Box. ":D
I'm really looking forward to the next Lock Box. :rolleyes:
Hehe, I've got those accolades too. Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit quote on the wrong post and couldnt figure out how to delete the post.
Sorry to be a downer on boxes, but what the hell to PW take us for? Do the math.
You need to open around 200 boxes to get 800 Lobi crystals, averaging 4 crystals per drop
1125 Zen opens 10 boxes which is $10 = 40 Lobi crystals (approx)
100 boxes = $100 = 400 Lobi crystals
200 boxes = $200 = 800 Lobi crystals
Whose ripping off who here? It's the worst idea ever. How to milk players with a smile on your face. I wouldn't mind if there was something worthwhile in them but there isn't. After opening more of these damn boxes than i should have, i ended up with nothing, apart from around 200 Lobi crystals, some officer packs and 5 mirror universe ships which aren't worth squat.
Or, you could buy 40 keys, resell them for 1.25M each, and buy the ship for 50M credits.
Originally Posted by wargibbon
Sorry to be a downer on boxes, but what the hell to PW take us for? Do the math.
You need to open around 200 boxes to get 800 Lobi crystals, averaging 4 crystals per drop
1125 Zen opens 10 boxes which is $10 = 40 Lobi crystals (approx)
100 boxes = $100 = 400 Lobi crystals
200 boxes = $200 = 800 Lobi crystals
Whose ripping off who here? It's the worst idea ever. How to milk players with a smile on your face. I wouldn't mind if there was something worthwhile in them but there isn't. After opening more of these damn boxes than i should have, i ended up with nothing, apart from around 200 Lobi crystals, some officer packs and 5 mirror universe ships which aren't worth squat.
If you went to a store and bought something for a $100, you expect to receive some sort of item in return, not a lot of empty promises and bs items. Remember PW, it's called money that some of us give you, pays your wages. It would be nice if you treated the players with some respect and actually put something of value in those boxes, not a just a lot of hot air.
Personally i'm glad they are stopping this ridiculous drop box idea as it's clear it's simply a way to milk players of money. Whoever came up with the idea should be shot
I honestly do not see the logic here. Who the hell makes you spend this money? Who the hell says you have to spend ANY of your own money. OK, it's time to educate some of you MMO nerds on some simple logic.
If you spend some time, farming dilithium, to get enough zen to buy 2 character slots (which most of you have spent money to get anyway), and then lvl those characters to 50 or so and then use each character for 15 to 30 min a day to max out on the 8,000 Dilithium, and then turn around and sell it on the Dilithium Exchange, you could buy 2 keys per day to open lock boxes.
You have spent NO money, and very little time as well. At the most 2 or 3 hours a day, which you already were spending doing nothing but chatting on Earth space dock, whining about the lockboxes. Or the game's unfairness or unballanced TRIBBLE. You continue to accept PWE's assaults on your ''position'' by accepting the fact that PWE won't change anything unless they see a loss. They aren't seeing a loss on the lock boxes, they are seeing a profit, and are assuming that he few of you who complain, do not amount to the people who are happy with the current setup.
They don't care unless something drastic happens. And honestly, I find it hillarious anyone complains when they dump money into this game, because they are making this problem. PWE won't care if you're complaining because you're spending the real money into it. So you must be satisfied and just want to complain.
It's all about using your head, and managing your time.
Through dilithium, you can basically BUY almost every perk a Gold member has. Period. And if everyone went this route, PWE would have to come up with SOMETHING to get us to spend the money on. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO INVEST IN THIS GAME!
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I wants me a Hunter ship!
I would however, want them to freaking allow lobi to be shared between characters in an account. its TRIBBLE not to.
Help... by giving you our bound lobi crystals? It sucks you won't beable to save enough up for what you want. Happened to me with the last set of Lobi store items.
(i love the TOS Tholian ship, and the Enterprise redo of it. the Tholian fighter is close enough that it would be awesome to fly one around.)
at least my lockbox's i've already picked up will remain.. and when i do get a chance to unlock them, i'll still be able use the contents for something.
"Tiny little dots far, far away. Our eyes drawn to the twinkle of a hundred billion galaxies. Giving life to illusion, illusion to life. Something upon which to hang our hopes."
- Tobias LeConte - Dream Weaver - seaQuest DSV
I agree on the Lobi part.
I too would like a Hirogen ship or a Kazon one.
Indeed above all else I want a Jem'hadar ship but 400-500 million on the exchange, no thanks I can live without it.
I hope they bring back the Ferengi stuff and leave the Tholian stuff in. Reduce it's price as it's old stock.
Please make sure you do. When the Ferngi boxes went there was no hint the Lobi store was going to be cleared out as well (just a forum post by Borticus hidden away somewhere).
*Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us.
*Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
Opening lock boxes, it's the only way.
We all know the Vesta is around the corner and the Ambassador and Andorian Cruisers are in the works. So another three Federation ships and no sign of KDF.
You need to open around 200 boxes to get 800 Lobi crystals, averaging 4 crystals per drop
1125 Zen opens 10 boxes which is $10 = 40 Lobi crystals (approx)
100 boxes = $100 = 400 Lobi crystals
200 boxes = $200 = 800 Lobi crystals
Whose ripping off who here? It's the worst idea ever. How to milk players with a smile on your face. I wouldn't mind if there was something worthwhile in them but there isn't. After opening more of these damn boxes than i should have, i ended up with nothing, apart from around 200 Lobi crystals, some officer packs and 5 mirror universe ships which aren't worth squat.
If you went to a store and bought something for a $100, you expect to receive some sort of item in return, not a lot of empty promises and bs items. Remember PW, it's called money that some of us give you, pays your wages. It would be nice if you treated the players with some respect and actually put something of value in those boxes, not a just a lot of hot air.
Personally i'm glad they are stopping this ridiculous drop box idea as it's clear it's simply a way to milk players of money. Whoever came up with the idea should be shot :mad:
The Khasi of Kalabar: They will die the death of a thousand cuts!
Princess Jelhi: Oh! But that's horrible!
The Khasi of Kalabar: Not at all my little desert flower, the British are used to cuts!
Nothing new here. It's all been hashed out before. The $200 spent per ship acquired in game average is right in line with the 'random drop' metric of the lock box ships. They just skewed the Lobi price to match.
As for milking players for money: How do you think this game gets paid for, now? I hate the way lockboxes are being implemented, don't get me wrong. But somehow I don't think that PWE is sending storm troopers around to force lockbox sales at gunpoint. Therefore the adage that a fool and his money are soon parted applies.
The Khasi of Kalabar: They will die the death of a thousand cuts!
Princess Jelhi: Oh! But that's horrible!
The Khasi of Kalabar: Not at all my little desert flower, the British are used to cuts!
Sadly, the people buying it provide their own justification. I've dabbled in the boxes myself, a few million EC for a key here and there. Never won anything more than vendor trash. I'll buy stuff direct from the C/Z-store all day long 'cause I know what I'm getting, but I certainly don't get what's going through the head of someone who can drop $50+ on lock box keys, with no guarantee of getting anything useful to them.
/ i totally agree with this statement
/ amen.....
"Dan and Cryptic have spoken out the sides of their mouths so much I expect beads, whiskey and Polio blankets for the KDF any day now." - Roach
Take the mirror universe episode of Enterprise, the Constitution class kicked the TRIBBLE of the current ships in exsistence at that time, well the future ships here should do the same. But they don't and they can't, so what the hell is the point...
Its like giving a caveman a cannon to go hunting with, he wont know how to work it and will only use it to hang his clothes to dry.
I'm really looking forward to the next Lock Box. :rolleyes:
Which is why gambling laws should be imposed for online games that state the odds of winning any other required information that the laws specify.
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
The only thing I can add to that, though is at least there's a promise of something tangible. I play scratchers now and then, I've fed the slots in Vegas, and I do go down and put money into the poker tournament every few months. I've obviously lost more than I've ever won, since that's what they odds are. But I, personally, am cool using some disposable income to have fun and maybe win some money back.
Even if I 'win' at the lockbox... I've really won nothing. A virtual product, that may or may not exist tomorrow when I try to log in to a game that may or may not exist tomorrow.
I think the fact that people gamble sometimes hundreds of dollars for a virtual product is where my logic breaks down. It's obviously the same gambling drive, but in this case, I just don't get it.
Hehe, I've got those accolades too.
Hehe, I've got those accolades too. Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit quote on the wrong post and couldnt figure out how to delete the post.
Or, you could buy 40 keys, resell them for 1.25M each, and buy the ship for 50M credits.
It's going to get someone one a lot quicker.
Thought is your friend.
I honestly do not see the logic here. Who the hell makes you spend this money? Who the hell says you have to spend ANY of your own money. OK, it's time to educate some of you MMO nerds on some simple logic.
If you spend some time, farming dilithium, to get enough zen to buy 2 character slots (which most of you have spent money to get anyway), and then lvl those characters to 50 or so and then use each character for 15 to 30 min a day to max out on the 8,000 Dilithium, and then turn around and sell it on the Dilithium Exchange, you could buy 2 keys per day to open lock boxes.
You have spent NO money, and very little time as well. At the most 2 or 3 hours a day, which you already were spending doing nothing but chatting on Earth space dock, whining about the lockboxes. Or the game's unfairness or unballanced TRIBBLE. You continue to accept PWE's assaults on your ''position'' by accepting the fact that PWE won't change anything unless they see a loss. They aren't seeing a loss on the lock boxes, they are seeing a profit, and are assuming that he few of you who complain, do not amount to the people who are happy with the current setup.
They don't care unless something drastic happens. And honestly, I find it hillarious anyone complains when they dump money into this game, because they are making this problem. PWE won't care if you're complaining because you're spending the real money into it. So you must be satisfied and just want to complain.
It's all about using your head, and managing your time.
Through dilithium, you can basically BUY almost every perk a Gold member has. Period. And if everyone went this route, PWE would have to come up with SOMETHING to get us to spend the money on. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO INVEST IN THIS GAME!