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A Klingon-led Typhon Pact as the solution for KDF content?
leviathan99
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From Dan Stahl on Raptr:
What do you think? I know some won't like it. I admit it's something I'd thought about before, the idea that all non-Federation species could be one big mega-faction (with subfactional content in there) with Klingons heading up something of a United Nations consisting of non-Federation factions, with all non-Fed factions sharing most or all of their content with one another.
We have considered merging the KDF and FED factions, but only as a due-diligence thought process. We strongly believe that STO needs both factions and we would rather see the KDF come inline with the FED faction. One of the options we are considering to make this happen is to add other key races and species to the KDF faction, so I'm curious what you might think of that solution if it say meant more content for the KDF, even if that content is specific to a species such as the Gorn or Orions?
What do you think? I know some won't like it. I admit it's something I'd thought about before, the idea that all non-Federation species could be one big mega-faction (with subfactional content in there) with Klingons heading up something of a United Nations consisting of non-Federation factions, with all non-Fed factions sharing most or all of their content with one another.
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Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Huh...?
What shouldn't happen?
What Dan is saying won't happen is the KDF merged with Feds. That's not what I was talking about.
Ah; I didn't relate the subject line with your statements. Apologies.
Content revolving around the other KDF races such as Gorn or Orion would be fine by me as long as they are playable my Klingon char and not exclusive to Gorn and Orion players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
Im not sure why he needs to ask this question. Its been answered on the forums and a number of articles done on the subject. The KDF need content, if it means dealing with orions or gorn....why does it matter?
How would you feel if they expanded that to include more "smaller governments" that ally with Klingons?
For example:
The True Way, seeking assistance from the Empire.
A colony founded by escaped Remans.
Chalnoth separatists who have decided that anarchy isn't working for them.
Groups that are too small to be a faction. Not formally Klingon, per say, but answering to a larger council that a prominent Klingon like Martok's son or Worf's younger son heads up and which includes Gorn and Orion leadership.
It's rebranding KDF play a bit to become a larger group led by the Klingons. A Typhon Pact (or in the real world, Warsaw Pact) kind of group.
So you'd have more content for Klingon players but do that by leveraging other popular species more heavily, making the faction less wholly Klingon in the process.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I would have prefered this game follow the Typhon Pact mold with the Khitomer Accord (UFP, KDF, Cardassian, and Reman) vs the Typhon Pact (Romulan, Breen, Tholians, and Gorn). All of these assets are currently in game.
It'd be a good way to introduce the existing orion and gorn ships in as playable ships too
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
What if it's Cardassian separtists like the True Way and the Remans answering to Obisek?
That doesn't follow PWE's model. I doubt the missions would be sold.
The ships? Sure.
So, for example, they'd sell Remans and Reman ships but supply the missions for free.
Or they'd have an expansion (which would include missions) centering on Obisek joining the KDF, which includes missions, ships (maybe lower tier anyway), and playable Reman unlock.
I wouldn't mind that so long as it is geared towards the KDF and not Fed content where the devs think "hey, maybe we should give this to the kdf as well" a la FE series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs
I edited my previous post. I don't see the a race such as the Klingons, that is suppose to hold a virtue, such as honor, in such high regard, to ally with a murderous group of terrorist, such as the True Way. I would be fine with the Remans being added as in the Expanded Star Trek universe provided by the books, the Remans became a protectorate of the Empire.
tholian, and the holy order of the kinshaya. so far, we already fight against the breen,
romulan, and tholian. and we already contain the gorn. the holy order of the kinshaya are
hate klingons. so we are left with the tzenkethi.
1. All fleet missions should be mixed teams like STFs.
2. Mirror universe incursion should be mixed teams like STFs.
3. Any new missions should be mixed teams like the FEs.
4. If you want to go even more radical, allow fleets to recruit both factions and combine the starbases. Just make it a different skin when you approach as Fed or KDF. Since every special mission has dual versions, I don't see any problems for this.
If the only deficiency for KDF was a shorter leveling process and fewer leveling missions, I could live with that.
I feel that PvE storyline content that expands the Gorn, Orions, Nausicans and any new key races added to KDF is a wonderful idea and has been specualted by the KDF fanbase in the KDF gameplay section of the forums.
Such a direction for the KDF would help invest the player into the faction, give it a sense of being different than the federation and could easily link to the Path of 2409 backstory, plus may lead to some KDF themed STFs for endgame.
R.I.P
Remember, even at end game, the UFP & KDF are still at war with each other. They have just set their war asside to combat a common foe that could decimate both factions. Even the US and Russia set aside their differences to combat the Germans in WWII. Once the war was over, we went back to not liking each other. (sorry, closest analogy I could think of) I agree that the mirror event could be made to allow cross teaming. The rest I do not agree with.
I do not want to see the KDF get Romulan Content! I think the Empire needs to expand with some influence from some of its subjects: the Gorn or Orions and even some other small players would greatly add to the Empire even if they were just new Characters to play as such as subject species like the Arin?Sen, Kriosians, Tessic?s and Xarantine
The only way I'll accept the war end between the KDF and Federation is if Cryptic is just going to give up on their promises to fully flesh out the KDF as it's own faction.
KDF merger with another faction:
ABSOLUTLY NOT!
KDF already has the Orions, the Gorn, Nausciaans, Lethians, and Ferasans. Throwing in the Reman Resistance, the True Way, the Carassians, the Romulans, or anyone else is just plain ridiculous.
You got all these empires that united under the Klingon Flag and NOTHING has been done with their storylines. My word Cryptic, USE THEM!
Orion Manipulation and get us involved with Melani's plans.
Gorn Resistance and the Slathis trying to liberate his people.
The Nausciaan and Lethian cultures and their reasons for throwing support to the Klingons. Maybe the Orions made a deal with them.
The Klingon side of the Undine Infiltration.
The Klingon side of the Borg Incursion.
KDF battles in Romulan Space.
More struggle between the House of Martok with B'vat, Torg, and J'mpok.
That's just at the top of my head! This is is plenty of content to fully flesh out of KDF-side, and in a way it could end up being more content than the Federation faction.
Unless the defera, and cardies start holding their weight.
+1
An all out alliance with the UFP cant EVER happen. Perhaps combined teams in STF's vs the Borg as a truce already exists between the factions but the KDF will NEVER join the UFP.
...Unless the devs are serious about killing off the game.
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There should be some kind of "end" to the KDF/Fed war, eventually. But combining the factions would be silly. Plain and simple.
You're right, there are plenty of things that Cryptic could do with the races already in game, but come on! Playable Remans! That would be boss!
Seriously though, I want to see more of the Orions and Gorn. We could go awesome places with that.
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See, I see some people say that.
But every Trek writer I ever talked to said that an alliance was the overall intended direction from day one and every Trek TV writer I know of sees that as the future. Some see the Federation having to change in big ways to allow for that.
I'm inclined to think that any take on the Klingons that precludes them joining the Federation is pure fanon, especially when the very idea that they're NOT a Federation member already was a retcon after Roddenberry died because the new villains weren't being received as well. And even then, most long term arc building was towards the two groups being allied.
The way I see it, they have to be moving in that overall direction, which doesn't mean giving up Klingon distinctiveness; it means more than anything that the Federation includes empires who drink and fight and go on conquest sprees and becomes a much looser organization. Joining the Federation doesn't really impose any rules that make the Klingons less Klingon. They'll still drink and fight and go to war.
Honestly, I think most of the resistance to this comes from a faulty understanding of the IP... and especially from a faulty understanding of the Federation in particular. Joining isn't surrendering sovereignty or giving up your culture any more than joining the Lyon's club is joining a special ops group where you take orders.
In a sense, I think saying the Klingons would NEVER join the Federation is like saying that Thor, the Norse God of Thunder, would never get an Amazon Prime membership. Maybe he would if he wanted free shipping on books.
The Federation isn't an authoritative governing council. It's a club you join and then get a say in. And you can go pretty far in terms of defying it without sacrificing membership. Which is how most authority structures in Star Trek work, including their actual militaries where you can pretty freely defy orders if you feel like it.
But the thing is, an alliance is very different than actually joining. Many Klingons would have no problem being allies with the Federation, and some would even welcome it as we saw throughout TNG and DS9.
But, while they would work with allies they deemed honourable, Klingons being Klingons, I don't think they would ever serve under someone else's banner, much less willingly.